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Dont Tread on Me
08-11-2008, 8:39 AM
AMMO BILL NEEDS YOUR HELP TO GET TO THE SENATE FLOOR!
AB 2062 CURRENTLY IN SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE

Dear California Brady Campaign Member,

Thanks in part to your efforts AB 2062 has made great progress in the California legislature but now the bill needs your help to get out of the Senate Appropriations Committee. This legislation will help safeguard Californiaís communities from gun violence by ensuring that criminals, gang members and kids no longer have such easy access to handgun ammunition.

Currently, bullets are ending up in guns in the wrong hands across California and there are virtually no regulations on handgun ammunition. You can help change this!

EMAIL THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE TODAY!
Tell them: "I Urge You to Support AB 2062:
Help Keep Ammunition Out of the Wrong Hands."

AB 2062 would require handgun ammunition sellers, by 2009, to acquire a Handgun Ammunition Vendorís License (HAVL) in order to sell handgun ammunition. Additionally, this bill requires behind-the-counter storage of handgun ammunition by retail sellers to further protect the bullets from getting into the wrong hands. California has enacted laws regulating firearm sellers and the same needs to be done to regulate the handgun ammunition that drives the gun violence.

Here is what you can do to help:

1. Email the Senate Appropriations Committee today!
Tell them: "I Urge You to Support AB 2062: Help Keep Ammunition Out of the Wrong Hands."
One click emails the entire Senate Appropriations Committee.

2. Forward this e-mail to friends, family, and colleagues in California.

3. Click here to contribute to our efforts in California and across the country.

For more information on this legislation or to get involved locally in the gun violence prevention movement, please contact the California Brady Campaign Chapters.

Thank you for helping to reduce gun violence in California! Please email the Committee today!

Sincerely,

Sarah Brady, Chair

chris
08-11-2008, 8:47 AM
of course they won't give up this state is their golden child on how gun laws should be. why not? there is a willing legislature along with an electorate dumb enough to elect the same fools year after year. not forgetting gerrymandered districts. this state is like a cop in a donut factory hooked on the donuts like crack.

not to mention the author is a complete boob.

his famous quote is something like this.
"guns don't kill people ammo does." now if this does not sound stupid i don't know what else can.

he will introduce this bill again and again until it becomes law.

nicki
08-11-2008, 10:22 AM
I wonder how many chapters are there really are and how often do they meet.

Might be worthwhile for some of us to be flies on the wall so to speak to get an idea how well organized and how really big they are.

One thing I noticed was they were asking people to send e mails. They should have been asking people to either call or write letters first, then go to e mails.

To me, this is a sign that they are not that strong.

A Phone call or a had written letter has signficantly more power than e mails.

Many people who join these type groups are pawns. I would say many are crime victims and sincerely believe what they are doing will make the streets safer.

Nicki

Satex
08-11-2008, 11:17 AM
To me, this is a sign that they are not that strong.


They succeed in passing legislation - they are strong.

oaklander
08-11-2008, 11:44 AM
It's not good to focus entirely on Brady. There are myriad anti-gun groups out there. They are well funded, and have wealthy and powerful friends.

Here's some examples from: http://nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=14

The way to think about gun groups is like this:

1) pro gun groups such as the NRA are grassroots and rely on member contributions.

2) anti gun groups are sponsored by large corporations, foundations, NGOs, etc..

Anti gun groups are essentially fronts for large corporate sponsors with some infusions of government money. Large corporations and the government do not want an armed populace. Armed populaces are harder to govern and manipulate.

The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation

140 S. Dearborn St. Ste. 1100
Chicago, IL 60603-5285
Phone (312) 726-8000

The MacArthur Foundation is a primary source of financial support for groups and individuals promoting the anti-gun agenda.

Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV)

Headquarters: 100 Maryland Avenue, N.E.
Washington, DC 20002
(202) 544-7190
www.gunfree.org

President: Michael K. Beard
Co-Chairpersons: Ethel Kennedy, Coretta Scott King

National Sponsors:

Judy Collins
Monsignor John J. Egan
Walter E. Fauntroy
Dr. Dorothy Height
Comm. George Napper
Harry Nillson
Dr. Alvin F. Pouissant
Rabbi David Sapperstein

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV), was originally formed in 1975 as the National Coalition to Ban Handguns (NCBH) "for the purposes of banning the importation, manufacture, sale, transfer, ownership and possession of handguns." In 1989, after expanding its efforts to include restrictions on all firearms, the group adopted its new name, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

The United Methodist Church was the principle founder of CSGV. CSGV`s membership is comprised of individual supporters. Ex-CIA employee, Edward O. Welles, who also helped to form HCI, was an original NCBH board member and, reportedly, NCCH/HCI was an unreported member of the Coalition for several years.

CSGV`s policy-making membership is comprised of the following 44 national organizations:

American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association of Suicidology
American Ethical Union
Americans for Democratic Action
American Jewish Committee
American Jewish Congress
American Psychiatric Association
American Public Health Association
Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America
The Bible Holiness Movement, International
B`nai B`rith Women
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Child Welfare League
Church of the Brethren, Washington Office
Citizens For Safety
The Communitarian Network
The Council of The Great City Schools
The DISARM Education Fund
Fellowship Reconciliation
Friends Committee on National Legislation
International Ladies Garment Workers Union
Jesuit Conference Office of Social Ministries
Jewish Community Center Association
Loretto Community
Mennonite Central Comm., DC Office
National Association of Social Workers
National Council of Jewish Women, Inc.
National Council of Negro Women, Inc.
National Urban League, Inc.
North American Federation of Temple Youth
Pan American Trauma Association
Presbyterian Church USA,
Social Justice and Peacemaking Ministry Unit
Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
Religious Action Center
Unitarian Universalist Association
United Church of Christ, Office for Church and Society
United Federation of Teachers
United Methodist Church, Board of Church and Society
U.S. Conference of Mayors
U.S. Student Association
United Synagogues of America
Women`s League for Conservative Judaism
Women`s National Democratic Club
YWCA of the U.S.A.

Librarian
08-11-2008, 11:58 AM
And one the NRA sheet left off: LCAV (http://www.firearmslawcenter.org/) - Legal Community Against Violence, started here in San Francisco as a direct result of that turkey Ferri at 101 California in 1993 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE4DD163AF934A35754C0A9659582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all). LCAV metastasized out of CA in 1999.

RickD6023
08-11-2008, 12:03 PM
The Brady Bunch won't give up on California because they know that the legislature doesn't care what the voters want. They will do whatever they want to do without fear. DeLeon will bring back 2062 in another form next session until it finally passes or he is termed out.

As far as ammo is concerned - taking it out of the hands of law abiding folks will not stop the illegal ammo trade. The BGs will have all the ammo they want or need without paying the stupid state excise tax on ammo or going through legit dealers.

oaklander
08-11-2008, 12:09 PM
Yes, and you will note that the lawyers who work with LCAV are all almost entirely affiliated with LARGE CORPORATE LAW FIRMS.

The gun ban movement is by no means grassroots.

Here's some white shoe firms that proudly do pro bono work for LCAV:

http://www.mto.com/probono/

http://www.sflaw.com/pro-bono.htm

http://www.howardrice.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=content.contentDetail&id=7688&lid=0



And one the NRA sheet left off: LCAV (http://www.firearmslawcenter.org/) - Legal Community Against Violence, started here in San Francisco as a direct result of that turkey Ferri at 101 California in 1993 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE4DD163AF934A35754C0A9659582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all). LCAV metastasized out of CA in 1999.

CCWFacts
08-11-2008, 12:21 PM
And one the NRA sheet left off: LCAV (http://www.firearmslawcenter.org/) - Legal Community Against Violence, started here in San Francisco

I thought, "cool, I'm also against gun violence, maybe I can work with these guys," so I looked at their website for resources in helping stop gun violence. Turns out that they don't help on that!

LCAV does not respond to questions about personal firearms ownership (such as how to obtain a particular weapon or a concealed weapons permit) or administrative questions relating to the acquisition or retention of a federal firearms dealer license.

What a bummer! The one thing they could be doing to prevent gun violence is the thing they don't do!

oaklander
08-11-2008, 12:33 PM
LOL,

I emailed them with the following:

Oakland has a large amount of gun violence. Are you doing anything to combat this? What would I need to do in order to get involved with your efforts to reduce gun violence in Oakland?

I'll see if they respond.

thedrickel
08-11-2008, 1:35 PM
What would I need to do in order to get involved with your efforts to reduce gun violence in Oakland?

A: Send money!

mikehaas
08-11-2008, 5:22 PM
I wonder how many chapters are there really are and how often do they meet.

Don't know but I belong to the NRA Members' Councils of California (http://calnra.com/) and WE meet once-per-month. Please join me. CLICK HERE (http://nramemberscouncils.com/volunteer/) to find your local Members' Council and where/when they meet

http://nramemberscouncils.com/gfx/mapsmall.gif (http://nramemberscouncils.com/mc/directory/)

The fact they are still pushing this is why NRA warns us "please continue to keep-up-the-pressure on the legislature so they won't be inclined to grant special "rule waivers" that would allow special reconsideration of these failed legislative attempts"
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2008&summary=ab2062

At this point, I believe they are just fundraising and would be amazed themselves if the bill came back. But NRA is not discounting the possibility, so neither should we.

H Paul Payne
08-11-2008, 5:52 PM
One thing I noticed was they were asking people to send e mails. They should have been asking people to either call or write letters first, then go to e mails.


Really?? :rolleyes:

What is your source for this information?


To me, this is a sign that they are not that strong.


If they really "are not that strong" then how do you explain their successes?

A Phone call or a had written letter has signficantly more power than e mails.

Who in 2008, with a moderate level of real-world political experience, believes that old line any more?!?

BTW, You might want to read http://www.calnra.com/tip-email.shtml .

I'm not implying that they're better than us, because they're not. But with the huge amount of free media and state/taxpayer-funded propaganda their side receives in schools and other places, to underestimate their effectiveness would be foolish on our part.

Twenty years of fighting these people and their ideas has taught me not to take their capabilities lightly.

Paul