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Grimjack
08-09-2008, 6:24 AM
Hey all,

this movie (http://www.iousathemovie.com/) will be showing around the country one night only on Aug 21st. Its about the current financial state of the country and was made with the help of David Walker, the ex-comptroller of the US, who quit in disgust after trying to warn the Bush adminstration that the US fiscal policy was bankrupting the country. I am going to see it at the San Jose Oakridge 20 theatres. If you go to the website you can find a theatre near you.

Mods-if this is the wrong forum feel free to move it.

GJJ
08-09-2008, 7:44 AM
Good luck Grimjack. The problem is that even the people that call themselves conservatives are so blinded by false patriotism that they can't bring themselves to admit the truth about the state of the USA. It is like they have a bad case of the Stockholm syndrom and have identified with their captors.

The sad fact is that the America they worship died over 50 years ago. What has replaced it is a fascist police state with two nearly identical political parties. Both are spending this country into the grave. Both tax you at over 50% of your income. Both deny you your basic rights identified in the constitution.

For most, it is too painful to admit this. Think about it the next time you pay your income tax, property tax, car tax, sales tax, numerous government fees, take a test to buy a gun, wait 10 days to buy a gun, install a bullet button on a gun, carry a gun from point A to point B, or try to beg for a CCW.

America reminds me of the movie "Weekend at Bernies". It has been dead for a while.

nicki
08-09-2008, 9:53 AM
Haven't seen the movie obviously, but from what I see, we can get out of debt, but it is going to require a massive movement in the people and it is not going to come from government.

The biggest costs our government spends money on is health care, yet most of our health care dollars are spent for conditions that are PREVENTABLE.

If Americans across the board would take care of themselves, health care spending would decrease by at least 70 percent.

As someone who has had to spend considerable money out of my own pocket because my medical expenses were not covered by any insurance, I have no issue at all telling people that I have no problem saying NO for payment of health care expenses for conditions that are totally avoidable.

Obiviously we need to give people a chance to square themselves away, and for those who currently have problems, the compassionate thing to do is to continue care.

Many people have health issues because of ignorance, the real issue for me is negligence.

We don't need government to tell us what to do, we can do it ourselves.

Social Security is going to need to be changed alot, the retirement age should be tied to the mortality age, it is fixable. Personally I think social security should be voluntary anyway.

Ron Paul stated that we spend close to a trillion dollars annually in overseas military spending. I agree with him that other countries should defend themselves and we should bring our troops home.

Of course, we should give the other countries a chance to set up their own national security. I like the Swiss or Israeli model myself and if the countries we defend don't trust their citizens with guns, well, if they can't defend themselves, too bad.

Obviously there will be some exceptions and if we have legit national interests, we need to be involved until we can find alternatives that allow us to extricate ourselves from the mess.

American or International companies that want to do business in unstable parts of the world by shipping our jobs overseas shouldn't expect Americans to send their sons and daughters over to protect their assetts.

They can hire Blackwater for their dirty work:43:

The Debt problem is going to knock people out of their comfort zones, so that will actually open up alot of opportunities.

If we set up a "space program" or "manhattan project" national goals on energy self reliance as well as promoting and rewarding those who take intiative, we can fix our problems.

The Liberal social programs "feed someone for just a day and make them dependent".

Programs need to be revised so the they also teach someone not only to fish, but when they are able to fish, that they teach others also.

What I have to say on this is more than I can make in a post, but most of you will probably see where I am going.

Nicki

GJJ
08-09-2008, 12:06 PM
1. Socialism security should not exist.
2. People should pay for their own health care.
3. America should mind it's own business and stop the business of war.
4. We should dust off the constitution and limit government.

Problem solved. Of course, this won't happen. We are too corrupt. A nation of thieves and liars. We vote for the government to steal the income of the productive and give it to the lazy. We lie to ourselves and others and pat ourselves on the back telling us how free we are.

TheMan
08-09-2008, 2:42 PM
The movie might get more interest if it didn't compare itself to Al Gore's propaganda film on global warming.

It is a serious topic and worthy of investigation, and action. Why mess it up with a reference to that farce about global warming on their main page?

aileron
08-09-2008, 8:14 PM
The movie might get more interest if it didn't compare itself to Al Gore's propaganda film on global warming.

It is a serious topic and worthy of investigation, and action. Why mess it up with a reference to that farce about global warming on their main page?

Because its a popular farce.

leelaw
08-09-2008, 10:04 PM
Good luck Grimjack. The problem is that even the people that call themselves conservatives are so blinded by false patriotism that they can't bring themselves to admit the truth about the state of the USA.

Well, I was going to respond, but I see that you've already canned up all possible disagreement into one cute package, so I won't.

jerryg1776
08-10-2008, 11:29 AM
Haven't seen the movie obviously, but from what I see, we can get out of debt, but it is going to require a massive movement in the people and it is not going to come from government.

The biggest costs our government spends money on is health care, yet most of our health care dollars are spent for conditions that are PREVENTABLE.

If Americans across the board would take care of themselves, health care spending would decrease by at least 70 percent.

As someone who has had to spend considerable money out of my own pocket because my medical expenses were not covered by any insurance, I have no issue at all telling people that I have no problem saying NO for payment of health care expenses for conditions that are totally avoidable.

Obiviously we need to give people a chance to square themselves away, and for those who currently have problems, the compassionate thing to do is to continue care.

Many people have health issues because of ignorance, the real issue for me is negligence.

We don't need government to tell us what to do, we can do it ourselves.

Social Security is going to need to be changed alot, the retirement age should be tied to the mortality age, it is fixable. Personally I think social security should be voluntary anyway.

Ron Paul stated that we spend close to a trillion dollars annually in overseas military spending. I agree with him that other countries should defend themselves and we should bring our troops home.

Of course, we should give the other countries a chance to set up their own national security. I like the Swiss or Israeli model myself and if the countries we defend don't trust their citizens with guns, well, if they can't defend themselves, too bad.

Obviously there will be some exceptions and if we have legit national interests, we need to be involved until we can find alternatives that allow us to extricate ourselves from the mess.

American or International companies that want to do business in unstable parts of the world by shipping our jobs overseas shouldn't expect Americans to send their sons and daughters over to protect their assetts.

They can hire Blackwater for their dirty work:43:

The Debt problem is going to knock people out of their comfort zones, so that will actually open up alot of opportunities.

If we set up a "space program" or "manhattan project" national goals on energy self reliance as well as promoting and rewarding those who take intiative, we can fix our problems.

The Liberal social programs "feed someone for just a day and make them dependent".

Programs need to be revised so the they also teach someone not only to fish, but when they are able to fish, that they teach others also.

What I have to say on this is more than I can make in a post, but most of you will probably see where I am going.

Nicki

I agree with you on a large number of these points!

radioburning
08-10-2008, 6:21 PM
Good luck Grimjack. The problem is that even the people that call themselves conservatives are so blinded by false patriotism that they can't bring themselves to admit the truth about the state of the USA. It is like they have a bad case of the Stockholm syndrom and have identified with their captors.

The sad fact is that the America they worship died over 50 years ago. What has replaced it is a fascist police state with two nearly identical political parties. Both are spending this country into the grave. Both tax you at over 50% of your income. Both deny you your basic rights identified in the constitution.

For most, it is too painful to admit this. Think about it the next time you pay your income tax, property tax, car tax, sales tax, numerous government fees, take a test to buy a gun, wait 10 days to buy a gun, install a bullet button on a gun, carry a gun from point A to point B, or try to beg for a CCW.

America reminds me of the movie "Weekend at Bernies". It has been dead for a while.

+74839uur8329pqw98909, but I hope you have your asbestos tuxedo ready...

Rob454
08-10-2008, 8:06 PM
I agree with a lot of the points made. The one way the things in this country will be change is to revolt against the goverment. And it can be done without guns. If 30 million people decide they arent gonna pay taxes anymore to the goverment do you really think the goverment has the resources to put 30 million people in jail? I dont think so. And instead of voting for the status quo vote for the guy you think is gonna make the change. I cant tell you how many times I heard people say I woudl love to vote for ( lets say ) Ron Paul but he wont win and I dont liek Obama so ill vote for McCain. Well of course he wont win with that mentality.
We still have more freedom in this country than 95% of the rest of the world but little by little we are giving up our freedoms. There are individuals out there who believe in the rights as they are written but there are too many of the herd mentality and the individuals are being overwhelmed

nicki
08-10-2008, 9:23 PM
The truth is we have a massive culture of dependency, many Americans see government as a "good thing" and they want more government programs, not less. They will vote for Obama.

The Culture of dependency is bankrupting our country. The biggest government expenses are medicare and social security, and the baby boom generation is lining up for "their retirements".

Massive pressures to increase government spending are coming from both the left and the right and with deficit spending, it is out of control and cannot continue forever.

The tax rates are already way too high, they need to be reduced.

Excessive Taxes are the reason most Americans are broke. Combine this with a depreciating currency compliments of our paper money system, and consumer debt which most get into, average family has over 10k in consumer debt, you can get the picture of the average American family.

Our gun rights are dependent on how stable our social order is. The truth is no court is going to jeopardize the survival of the country to protect individual rights and right now our social order isn't looking that good.

Change is going to come, it is a given. The issue is what will the changes be like. Right now it looks like the middle class will be wiped out.

We will either deteriorate into a massive police state or we will get government out of our lives in many areas where it has no business and go back to a limited and smaller government.

If we deteriorate into a police state, I think we will see restrictions placed on our guns, most likely safe storage type laws which will render them useless.

There is going to be alot of pain and the longer it is put off, the harder the choices will become.

The next few years will offer massive opportunity for those who position themselves well and it will be a financial disaster for those who ignore the world around them.

Revolutions are messy and I would hope that we would not have to go there.

Sometimes though, no matter how hard you try, you gotta get your hands dirty, maybe even break a fingernail or two:D

We owe it to our children to do everything in our power to turn things around because things can be turned around.

Nicki

Bizcuits
08-10-2008, 9:38 PM
Some of you need to realize California isn't the rest of America... :rolleyes: