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jerryg1776
08-01-2008, 4:26 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_on_el_pr/obama_65


ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Friday he would be willing to support limited additional offshore oil drilling if that's what it takes to enact a comprehensive policy to foster fuel-efficient autos and develop alternate energy sources.
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Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.

Republican rival John McCain, who earlier dropped his opposition to offshore drilling, has been criticizing Obama on the stump and in broadcast ads for clinging to his opposition as gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon. Polls indicate these attacks have helped McCain gain ground on Obama.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post.

"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage — I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."

Asked about Obama's comment, McCain said, "We need oil drilling and we need it now offshore. He has consistently opposed it. He has opposed nuclear power. He has opposed reprocessing. He has opposed storage." The GOP candidate said Obama doesn't have a plan equal to the nation's energy challenges.

In Congress, both parties have fought bitterly over energy policy for weeks, with Republicans pressing for more domestic oil drilling and Democrats railing about oil company profits. Despite hundreds of hours of House and Senate floor debate, lawmakers will leave Washington for their five-week summer hiatus this week with an empty tank.

"The Republicans and the oil companies have been really beating the drums on drilling," Obama said in the Post interview. "And so we don't want gridlock. We want to get something done."

Later, Obama issued a written statement warmly welcoming a proposal sent to Senate leaders Friday by 10 senators — five from each party. Their proposal seeks to break the impasse over offshore oil development and is expected to be examined more closely in September after Congress returns from its summer recess.

The so-called Gang of 10 plan would lift drilling bans in the eastern Gulf of Mexico within 50 miles of Florida's beaches and in the South Atlantic off Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia, but only if a state agrees to the oil and gas development along its coast. The states would share in revenues from oil and gas development.

Drilling bans along the Pacific coast and the Northeast would remain in place under this compromise.

The plan also includes energy initiatives Obama has endorsed. "It would repeal tax breaks for oil companies so that we can invest billions in fuel-efficient cars, help our automakers re-tool, and make a genuine commitment to renewable sources of energy like wind power, solar power, and the next generation of clean, affordable biofuels," Obama noted.

"Like all compromises, it also includes steps that I haven't always supported," Obama conceded. "I remain skeptical that new offshore drilling will bring down gas prices in the short-term or significantly reduce our oil dependence in the long-term, though I do welcome the establishment of a process that will allow us to make future drilling decisions based on science and fact."

Nevertheless, Obama said the plan, put forward by mostly moderates and conservatives led by Sens. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., "represents a good faith effort at a new bipartisan beginning."

Earlier in the day, Obama pushed for a windfall profits tax to fund $1,000 emergency rebate checks for consumers besieged by high energy costs, a counter to McCain's call for more offshore drilling.

The pitch for putting some of the economic burden of $4-a-gallon gasoline on the oil industry served a dual purpose for Obama: It allowed him to talk up an economic issue, seen by many as a strength for Democrats and a weakness for Republicans, and at the same time respond to criticism from McCain that Obama's opposition to offshore drilling leads to higher prices at the pump.

In linking McCain to the unpopular President Bush, Obama struck a theme from Ronald Reagan's successful 1980 campaign against President Jimmy Carter by asking a town-hall audience in St. Petersburg: "Do you think you are better off than you were four years ago or eight years ago? If you aren't better off, can you afford another four years?"

Obama primed the crowd by noting new government figures showing 51,000 jobs lost last month and citing 460,000 jobs lost over the last seven months. He tied other bad economic news from the Bush administration to McCain and offered his energy program as one route to relief.

"This rebate will be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months," Obama said during a two-day campaign swing in Florida. "It will be enough to cover the entire increase in your heating bills. Or you could use the rebate for any of your other bills, or even to pay down your own debt."



I guess he saw that McCain was hurting him because of his no drill stance so now he has changed his mind...

Lets see...

Guns are protected by the 2A - its a constitutional right that can be regulated within
reason

No offshore drilling... oops.. well maybe some if I can get votes back.. lets LIE now and drop it later after being elected.. whats another broken promise..

I am not a McCain fan but this guy cant get his act straight - keeps changing it all around. Dont talk out of both sides of your ***... say what you mean and stick to it.

Oh and lets tax somebody we can all use as a scapegoat so we can buy some more votes... Next Obama will be printing money with his picture on it. That way we all know who to vote for! HAHAHAHAHHA

Osprey
08-01-2008, 6:09 PM
Barack Obama (who at his core really does seem like a genuinely nice guy) is the most prolific flip-flopper of all time.

His legacy will surpass even this gentleman:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/2297271341_b56cc94f00.jpg

tombinghamthegreat
08-01-2008, 6:20 PM
Obama is smart enough to keep his mouth closed and give vague answers unlike Kerry or Hillary but Obama can't stay quiet forever. When are the debates?

MrTuffPaws
08-01-2008, 7:19 PM
What's wrong with changing your position in the light of new data?

jamesob
08-01-2008, 7:29 PM
just air your tires to the correct air presure and keep your car tuned up and we will use less oil. thats what obama says anyway.

hawk1
08-01-2008, 7:44 PM
What's wrong with changing your position in the light of new data?

Is that what he calls it? New data? If it is, then he really has no clue about whats been going on for the last 3 years or more. Possibly an overseas trip to the mideast for him to get up to speed? Gosh, what a loser he is and will be shown to be...

AC Gould
08-01-2008, 7:46 PM
Barack Obama (who at his core really does seem like a genuinely nice guy) is the most prolific flip-flopper of all time.

His legacy will surpass even this gentleman:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/2297271341_b56cc94f00.jpg


Forgive my ignorance...BUT who the heck is that guy???? :confused:

jerryg1776
08-01-2008, 7:47 PM
What's wrong with changing your position in the light of new data?

Nothing with "NEW" data.... cept none of it is new data...

And losing points in the polls does not count as "NEW" data... Thats new reality check!

Guntech
08-01-2008, 7:49 PM
What's wrong with changing your position in the light of new data?

You look like a moron if you are saying that your way is the only way and we must do it, then you say we need to do the complete opposite and you don't say you were wrong, which even if you do you still look ignorant for repeatedly changing your position. People can only take so much of some idiot saying that he's sure he's right on pretty much everything and then always being wrong than changing your opinion and claiming that now you are right.

But there are a lot of ignorant people (AKA Liberals) who will support them because they are not steadfast in what they believe in either and you can change them like the wind.

Guntech
08-01-2008, 7:53 PM
Forgive my ignorance...BUT who the heck is that guy???? :confused:

John Kerry

56Chevy
08-01-2008, 7:57 PM
just air your tires to the correct air presure and keep your car tuned up and we will use less oil. thats what obama says anyway.
I just changed my oil and put air into my tires. Does that mean that Obama will allow me to lip sync the soviet national anthem instead of learning the words?:confused:

56Chevy
08-01-2008, 7:58 PM
Forgive my ignorance...BUT who the heck is that guy???? :confused:
I'll give you a hint: He thought he was going to be president in 2004. Either that, or he is a human prophylactic.

AC Gould
08-01-2008, 8:02 PM
John Kerry

Thanks...didn't recognize him out of uniform. Then again, I try to forget most democrats as they are irrelavent more often then not.

jerryg1776
08-01-2008, 8:10 PM
I just changed my oil and put air into my tires. Does that mean that Obama will allow me to lip sync the soviet national anthem instead of learning the words?:confused:

Sure you can lipsync! Obama Vanilli will allow it - haha

I love this analogy -

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what_barack_obama_and_milli_va/


February 15, 2008 - by Bob Owens

Fresh off of impressive wins in the District of Columbia, Maryland, and Virginia, Illinois Senator Barack Obama seems poised to ride his campaign mantra of “change” to the Democratic presidential nomination, with a very real possibility of becoming America’s first black president. His rock star — excuse me, “Barack star” — hype aside, however, he is running a campaign on ideas and ideals firmly rooted in old-school, well-monied, liberal culture.

Obama’s political background is cryptic, and perhaps purposefully so. Recent attempts to find some substance in his legal and academic background have come up empty. His record of voting “present” while in the Illinois Senate instead of taking a position on tough issues is well-known. Democratic focus groups that wildly favor Obama over Hillary Clinton could not list a single legislative accomplishment for the senator, and instead admitted of Obama that “you don’t get the substance. You only get froth and apologies.”

To date, Obama’s masterful rhetorical skills have wooed voters across the political spectrum, but for those of us who grew up in the late 1980s and early 1990s, we may well be advised to start considering Obama as the “Milli Vanilli candidate.”

You remember Milli Vanilli, don’t you? Or are you still trying to forget?

Fab Morvan and Rob Pilatus were the faces of the duo that achieved considerable pop music success with such songs as “Baby Don’t Forget My Number,” “Girl I’m Gonna Miss You,” “Blame It on the Rain,” and “Girl You Know It’s True.” In 1990 they won the Grammy Award for Best New Artist.

Too bad these two models/dancers didn’t actually sing any of the songs on their album. They were a fraud, lip-syncing for the less attractive actual talent. Morvan, Pilatus, and Arista records were subsequently named the defendants in more than two dozen consumer fraud cases and stripped of their Grammy as a result.

Unlike Milli Vanilli’s Morvan and Pilatus, Barack Obama still has his Grammy. What he lacks are new ideas and substance that extends beyond his less-than-original campaign phrases.

Despite the uniting messianic figure that he plays on stage and in front of the cameras, Obama’s actual voting record has established him as the most radical leftist in the United States senate, to the left of Joe Biden, self-described socialist Bernie Sanders, and the epitome of nanny-state limousine liberalism, Ted Kennedy.

Far from being a centrist, Obama is a radical on hot-button issues.

Though he tries to talk about it as little as possible, Obama is a strong gun control advocate, and has stated his support of a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns. His recent comments that he will not take guns away from hunters is purposefully duplicitous, glossing over the fact that he supports a permanent ban on semi-automatic firearms and standard capacity magazines, like those commonly used in hunting, target shooting, and for self-defense.

Obama’s economic policies? Says Larry Kudlow:

Obama voted against the Bush tax cuts on capital gains and dividends, justifying his anti-growth stance with the old class-warfare saw about tax cuts for the rich. Of course, these are the very same tax cuts that spurred economic expansion, created record job growth, and reduced the deficit as revenues flooded the Treasury.

The young senator also voted against repealing the death tax. He dismissed it as a “Paris Hilton tax break” that would give “billions of dollars to billionaire heirs and heiresses.” Try telling that to the owners of farms, ranches, and small businesses who are forced to sell their legacies because of this tax.

He swings a nice protectionist bat, too. He has voted against free trade (CAFTA) and U.S. energy independence (drilling in ANWR), and has opposed lifting a $0.54 per gallon tariff on Brazillian ethanol. “Ethanol imports are neither necessary nor a practical response to current gasoline prices,” he claimed. Nonsense.

He’s also strongly opposed to personal retirement accounts for Social Security reform, and prefers instead that the government stewards your money. As Amanda Carpenter wrote in Human Events, “When speaking out against various tax cuts, Obama has likened the ‘Ownership Society’ — which entails such things as personalized Social Security accounts, health savings accounts, and school choice — to ’social Darwinism.’”

The George W. Bush way has been to work toward ending the multiple-taxation of savings and investment — to lower taxes and put the people’s money back in the people’s wallets. It’s all about capital. Simply put, the economy can’t grow without capital to fertilize the soil of new technologies, jobs, and businesses. But Obama scoffs at such notions.

Like almost everything else, Obama’s economic stance isn’t new — and it isn’t “change.”

For all the hype, Barack Obama is making his way though the Democratic nominating process by merely lip-syncing old liberal standards borrowed from those who came before him. When potential voters begin to notice the lack of originality behind the hype, the “change” candidate may find his fall to be just as meteoric as his rise.

Bob Owens blogs at Confederate Yankee. http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/

JayRuff
08-02-2008, 12:48 AM
he does it all the time, flip flopping

gunsmith
08-02-2008, 12:55 AM
I'm only voting for his better position on guns.
all that crud about illegals and how drilling in ANWAR
is the same as drilling in the Grand Canyon has really made me ill.
mccain is a creep who is less of a creep then jimmy carter to the second power obama