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hill billy
08-01-2008, 1:47 PM
It doesn't really apply to gun laws but it involves legal so what the heck.
This is still updating...


Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Democrats adjourned the House and turned off the lights and killed the microphones, but Republicans are still on the floor talking gas prices.

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy. They have refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed at 11:23 a.m. and are busy bashing Pelosi and her fellow Democrats for leaving town for the August recess.

At one point, the lights went off in the House and the microphones were turned off in the chamber, meaning Republicans were talking in the dark. But as Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz..) was speaking, the lights went back on, and the microphones were turned on shortly afterward.

But C-SPAN, which has no control over the cameras in the chamber, has stopped broadcasting the House floor, meaning no one is witnessing this except the assembled Republicans, their aides, and one Democrat, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), who has now left.

Only about a half-dozen Republicans were on the floor when this began, but the crowd has grown to about 20 now, according to Patrick O'Connor.


Continued....


House of Reps Part 1

Part 2
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hill billy
08-01-2008, 1:48 PM
Update - The Capitol Police are now trying to kick reporters out of the press gallery above the floor, meaning we can't watch the Republicans anymore. But Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) is now in the gallery talking to reporters, so the cops have held off for a minute. Clearly, Democrats don't want Republicans getting any press for this episode. GOP leaders are trying to find other Republicans to rotate in for Blunt so reporters aren't kicked out.

Update 2 - This message was sent out by Blunt's office:

"Although, this Democrat Majority just Adjourned for the Democrat 5-Week Vacation, House Republicans are continuing to fight on the House Floor. Although the lights, mics and C-SPAN camera's have been turned off, House Republicans are on the Floor speaking to the tax payers in the gallery who, not surprisingly, agree with Republican Energy proposals.

All Republicans who are in town are encouraged to come to the House Floor."

Update 3 - Democrats just turned out the lights again. Republicans cheered.

Update 4 - Republican leaders just sent out a notice looking for a bullhorn and leadership aides are trying to corral all the members who are still in town to come speak on the floor and sustain this one-sided debate.

Uodate 5 - Republicans are literally hugging each other on the House floor. Rep. Don Manzullo (R-Ill.), not normally known as an distinguished orator, just gave a rousing speech, accusing Democrats of stifling dissent. He referenced President John Quincy Adams, who returned as a House member after being defeated in his bid for re-election as president. Waving his arms and yelling, Manzullo brought the crowd (including a lot of staff shipped in by GOP leaders to fill up the place), and he left the floor to hugs from his colleagues. You don't see that up here every day.

Update 6 - Rep Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) just pretended to be a Democrat. He stood on the other side of the chamber and listed all of the GOP bills that the Dems killed.

He then said "I am a Democrat and here is my energy plan" and he held up a picture of an old VW Bug with a sail attached to it. He paraded around he house floor with the sign while the crowd cheered.

hill billy
08-01-2008, 1:48 PM
Updates continue here


No shirt? No tie? No problem.

Michigan Republican Mike Rogers returned to the House floor in shorts and sandals to take his turn at the podium, as the Republican talkathon continues on the House floor, hours after the chamber formally recessed for the week.

Looking like he was ready for the links in a pair of cargo shorts and a short sleeve shirt, Rogers said he was preparing to drive back to Michigan when he pulled a u-turn and headed back into town.

"I had gotten in my car to drive home and I realized I didn't have enough money to pay for the first tank of gas," said Rogers.

Republican Rep. Rob Bishop of Utah was also spotted on the House floor in shorts and sandals.

Rep Kevin Brady, who returned to thunderous applause when it was announced he had gotten off of a plane right before takeoff in order to deliver a speech, said the day had turned things completely upside down.

"Normally they clap when I am leaving here with my bags packed," he said with a laugh. "Not the other way around."

As of 3:30, the speeched continued, with no sign of letting up.

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 1:49 PM
bunch of childish baystards those dems

hill billy
08-01-2008, 1:50 PM
Front page

http://www.c-span.org/

Call Speaker Pelosi at 202 225 0100. Demand vote on energy legislation.


And a video

http://qik.com/video/147257

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 1:53 PM
theres a link on fox to watch live as well

hill billy
08-01-2008, 1:53 PM
GOP Talkathon Part IV: Come on Down

With the public viewing galleries shutting down for the night, Rep. Kevin Brady has just invited everyone down to the House floor to keep the protest going.

It has been quite the scene on the House floor this afternoon, as GOP staff members have kept the chamber filled with an eclectic assortment of people.

Boy Scouts, members of the German army, stray tourists and even members in shorts and t-shirts have all been spotted on the floor at different times.

While Democrats have privately decried the breakdown in order, Republicans defended the protest.

"You are not witnessing a revolt," said Rep. Mike Pence. "You are witnessing democracy in action."

Rep. Donald Manzullo also delivered a passionate speech, saying today was his late father's birthday.

After relating how his father, an Italian immigrant, came to live in Illinois and own a little grocery store, Manzullo brought the crowd to its feet with this line: "The people of this country are rising up and saying, 'We want our country back!'"

Gator Monroe
08-01-2008, 1:58 PM
The Dems should be summoned back !:)

hill billy
08-01-2008, 1:58 PM
theres a link on fox to watch live as well

Couldn't find it, do you have a link?

GenLee
08-01-2008, 2:00 PM
This is awesome......

CCWFacts
08-01-2008, 2:02 PM
Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy.

If Congress authorized offshore drilling today, then maybe it would decrease pump prices by a few pennies per gallon (at most) ten or 15 years from now. It certainly won't do anything for the economy, for energy prices, or to save consumers any meaningful amount of money at the pump.

dfletcher
08-01-2008, 2:03 PM
It didn't get much press, but Pelosi recently stated the President should open our national oil reserves as a way of lowering fuel costs. In short, she acknowledged that increased supply would lower the cost of gasoline at the pumps. The President's response was to lift the ban on offshore drilling which, one would think, would also have the effect of increasing supply and lowering fuel costs. It seems to me this paints Pelosi into a corner - increased supply = lower fuel costs, but she is against drilling for that supply.

No wonder she wants to turn out the lights.

jarios
08-01-2008, 2:04 PM
This really shows what a circus the government system has turned into. Gotta give the Republicans props for not backing off. I had a feeling this might happen ever since I read about all the bills Pelosi and crew have been childishly killing.

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 2:05 PM
Couldn't find it, do you have a link?

It was in one of the latest news links but its dead now

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 2:05 PM
The Dems should be summoned back !:)

Bush has the power to do that from my understanding

sierratangofoxtrotunion
08-01-2008, 2:06 PM
Couldn't find it, do you have a link?

http://www.foxnews.com/

Under "Latest news" it says "# GOP Protests, Wonít Leave House Floor | WATCH LIVE" That should work.

deleted by PC police
08-01-2008, 2:09 PM
This is awsome.

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 2:10 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/

Under "Latest news" it says "# GOP Protests, Wonít Leave House Floor | WATCH LIVE" That should work.

is it working for you ?
it wont work for me anymore

dfletcher
08-01-2008, 2:10 PM
Bush has the power to do that from my understanding

Why would he do that? If someone is doing something foolish and you want to beat them, let them keep on doing it.

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 2:12 PM
Why would he do that? If someone is doing something foolish and you want to beat them, let them keep on doing it.

It would make it more well known what they did
right now most people dont have a clue whats going on
its buried on fox and cnn's webistes

Decoligny
08-01-2008, 2:18 PM
If Congress authorized offshore drilling today, then maybe it would decrease pump prices by a few pennies per gallon (at most) ten or 15 years from now. It certainly won't do anything for the economy, for energy prices, or to save consumers any meaningful amount of money at the pump.

By first sending your kid to school you won't see any benefit to the economy for 12 years. With College it's more like 16 or 20 with graduate school. Doesn't stop you from doing it though.

If we don't START the process, we will never see any benifits from it. If we all agreed to go completely Solar, it would be 10 to 15 years before we saw the end results. We need to start working at getting ALL the various energy solutions up to speed by STARTING to do something.

Talking about how it'll never make any difference, and it take too long, leaves us at the mercy of foreign oil merchants. And we have seen where that gets us.

hill billy
08-01-2008, 2:20 PM
By first sending your kid to school you won't see any benefit to the economy for 12 years. With College it's more like 16 or 20 with graduate school. Doesn't stop you from doing it though.

If we don't START the process, we will never see any benifits from it. If we all agreed to go completely Solar, it would be 10 to 15 years before we saw the end results. We need to start working at getting ALL the various energy solutions up to speed by STARTING to do something.

Talking about how it'll never make any difference, and it take too long, leaves us at the mercy of foreign oil merchants. And we have seen where that gets us.

You two cut out the facts and logic.:mad: This is about a GOP stunt that is turning into a hamfest. Let's just enjoy it for what it is.:D:)

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 2:22 PM
If Congress authorized offshore drilling today, then maybe it would decrease pump prices by a few pennies per gallon (at most) ten or 15 years from now. It certainly won't do anything for the economy, for energy prices, or to save consumers any meaningful amount of money at the pump.

And your more likely to shoot your brother then a burglar if you have a gun

they could be pumping oil in 2 months if the red tape was outta the way

CCWFacts
08-01-2008, 2:30 PM
they could be pumping oil in 2 months if the red tape was outta the way

If they could somehow start pumping at full capacity this weekend, it would make almost no difference to oil prices or pump prices. Oil is a global market. Adding a few more drops to the bucket might make billions for the people who own those drops, but it doesn't do anything to change oil prices.

IGOTDIRT4U
08-01-2008, 2:30 PM
If Congress authorized offshore drilling today, then maybe it would decrease pump prices by a few pennies per gallon (at most) ten or 15 years from now. It certainly won't do anything for the economy, for energy prices, or to save consumers any meaningful amount of money at the pump.

If they had not been opposing it 15 years ago, we would have the resources now, and our dependence mitigated. So, what, we wait another 10-15 years? to say the same things, and do the same thing, nothing. All the while Russia, China and other countries siphon out from underneath us the very oil fields WE found years ago?

Gator Monroe
08-01-2008, 2:37 PM
Bush has the power to do that from my understanding

Ditto ! (But CCWFacts would hate that ...):chris:

giarcpnw
08-01-2008, 2:39 PM
"they could be pumping oil in 2 months if the red tape was outta the way"

That is completely false. It would take two or more years before pumping would begin. You have to look for it first, find it, deduce if it's worth drilling enough to get a return and then, someone has to build a rig and get it to the location. As i remember there has been a huge shortage of rigs being built due to china and india's demand for them.

It's not as simple as it looks. Plus, i think it's the GOP giving the oil companies one more favor. There's not enough oil out there to support the US for more then 6 months or so. So it would be a tiny percentage of oil to hit the market. We would still be very dependent on foreign oil. Honestly, we need to move on to alternative choices now and leave that oil there for usage later when we're running out. We can transist to alternatives more smoothly now while we still have oil or we can keep putting it off (which is what big oil wants) till we are completely screwed and then try to convert.

It's gonna hurt either way we do it yet one way is a much smoother transitions. Like it or not, oil is never gonna be 2.50 again. It's just gonna keep going up if we don't curb our demand for it. The problem is less the US gov right now and more the people's gluttonous usage of it. Time to ween off the teat folks and try a different formula.

C

hill billy
08-01-2008, 2:42 PM
UPDATE 7: It's over.

Right at the stroke of five Georgia Rep. Tom Price announced that House Republicans were ending their impromptu protest on the floor of the chamber, ending a five-plus hour rebellion with a round of "God Bless America."

The assembled tourists, aides and members in the chamber gave Price and his compatriots a standing ovation. They left the chamber to shouts of "USA! USA! USA!"

Meplat
08-01-2008, 2:43 PM
If Congress authorized offshore drilling today, then maybe it would decrease pump prices by a few pennies per gallon (at most) ten or 15 years from now. It certainly won't do anything for the economy, for energy prices, or to save consumers any meaningful amount of money at the pump.



Socialist talking points. It could be in our tanks in 18 months, and just the realization that America is fighting back would start to bring prices down immediately. Bush just dropped a presidential order against drilling off shore which didn’t even have any teeth without congress and prices started to fall.

IGOTDIRT4U
08-01-2008, 2:46 PM
"they could be pumping oil in 2 months if the red tape was outta the way"

That is completely false. It would take two or more years before pumping would begin. You have to look for it first, find it, deduce if it's worth drilling enough to get a return and then, someone has to build a rig and get it to the location. As i remember there has been a huge shortage of rigs being built due to china and india's demand for them.

It's not as simple as it looks. Plus, i think it's the GOP giving the oil companies one more favor. There's not enough oil out there to support the US for more then 6 months or so. So it would be a tiny percentage of oil to hit the market. We would still be very dependent on foreign oil. Honestly, we need to move on to alternative choices now and leave that oil there for usage later when we're running out. We can transist to alternatives more smoothly now while we still have oil or we can keep putting it off (which is what big oil wants) till we are completely screwed and then try to convert.

It's gonna hurt either way we do it yet one way is a much smoother transitions. Like it or not, oil is never gonna be 2.50 again. It's just gonna keep going up if we don't curb our demand for it. The problem is less the US gov right now and more the people's gluttonous usage of it. Time to ween off the teat folks and try a different formula.

C

Not even close. There is so much mis-information here it is killing me. If you want to be a cheer leader for the NIMBY crowd, knock yourself out. But please, no FUD. (and you're right; oil will never be 2.50 again, but GAS might)

Gator Monroe
08-01-2008, 2:48 PM
Socialist talking points. It could be in our tanks in 18 months, and just the realization that America is fighting back would start to bring prices down immediately. Bush just dropped a presidential order against drilling off shore which didnít even have any teeth without congress and prices started to fall.

Ditto ! We have Socialst Sympithizers here at calguns, thats a given ...:eek:

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 2:49 PM
The hatred the liberals have for the oil companys always amazes me
its like they feel they should take a loss every year instead of a profit

Instead of looking at there profits in total dollars try looking at it by percent
(Its very low)
and they are paying massive amounts in taxes even with the tax breaks

IGOTDIRT4U
08-01-2008, 2:52 PM
The hatred the liberals have for the oil companys always amazes me
its like they feel they should take a loss every year instead of a profit

Instead of looking at there profits in total dollars try looking at it by percent
(Its very low)
and they are paying massive amounts in taxes even with the tax breaks


Exxon will pay about 150 BILLION in Fed taxes this year if they continue on the same path as the first two quarters. (As heard on CNBC yesterday)

BTW, where were the Dems when oil companies were losing money like crazy about 15 years ago? No bailouts, no subsidies, no tax breaks, nothing, nada, nix, zippo, and well, you get it.

Tecgabval
08-01-2008, 2:55 PM
The hatred the liberals have for the oil companys always amazes me
its like they feel they should take a loss every year instead of a profit

Instead of looking at there profits in total dollars try looking at it by percent
(Its very low)
and they are paying massive amounts in taxes even with the tax breaks
Right now they have to pay full price for imported oil intestead of 20%. Lost the oil fields in Venezuela. Lybia and Nigeria are going to China and Russia and looks like they're not going to get the oil fields in Iraq (damn Iraq wants 50% and wants to pay in euros!!). Losts of free taxes billions lost.

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 2:59 PM
Right now they have to pay full price for imported oil intestead of 20%. Lost the oil fields in Venezuela. Lybia and Nigeria are going to China and Russia and looks like they're not going to get the oil fields in Iraq (damn Iraq wants 50% and wants to pay in euros!!). Losts of free taxes billions lost.

Might be my lack of coffee but I'm afraid I have no idea what your trying to say

Full Clip
08-01-2008, 3:07 PM
NOT drilling will not lower prices or our dependency on foreign oil, either.
Stonewalling this vote on a vital issue of national security is tantamount to treason. Pelosi should be charged.

IGOTDIRT4U
08-01-2008, 3:08 PM
Should be interesting tonight to see how the bought and paid for MSM reports on this tonight.

sorensen440
08-01-2008, 3:12 PM
Should be interesting tonight to see how the bought and paid for MSM reports on this tonight.

If reported at all....

Ironchef
08-01-2008, 3:14 PM
If Congress authorized offshore drilling today, then maybe it would decrease pump prices by a few pennies per gallon (at most) ten or 15 years from now. It certainly won't do anything for the economy, for energy prices, or to save consumers any meaningful amount of money at the pump.

Don't tell Boner about that or he'll start crying again.

NOT drilling will not lower prices or our dependency on foreign oil, either.
Stonewalling this vote on a vital issue of national security is tantamount to treason. Pelosi should be charged.

Not to defend Pelosi or anything, but do you or ANYONE in this thread know the context of this event? or is it just automatically assumed that Dems are being lazy and didn't care about gas... please. Maybe the R's should have done some work during their reign supreme over the land during the last few terms..then maybe this wouldn't seem so hypocritical.

Glock22Fan
08-01-2008, 3:21 PM
House Republicans are continuing to fight on the House Floor.

Tut, tut.

IGOTDIRT4U
08-01-2008, 3:23 PM
Not to defend Pelosi or anything, but do you or ANYONE in this thread know the context of this event? or is it just automatically assumed that Dems are being lazy and didn't care about gas... please.

I don't think the GOP is calling the Dems lazyy, or that they don't want to address gas issues, but it is over House rules, and getting to a consensus on a forward looking energy plan that also meets our needs today.

Saigon1965
08-01-2008, 3:27 PM
This is neat - I hope it'll be on tonight.


UPDATE 7: It's over.

Right at the stroke of five Georgia Rep. Tom Price announced that House Republicans were ending their impromptu protest on the floor of the chamber, ending a five-plus hour rebellion with a round of "God Bless America."

The assembled tourists, aides and members in the chamber gave Price and his compatriots a standing ovation. They left the chamber to shouts of "USA! USA! USA!"

otteray
08-01-2008, 4:48 PM
With polls showing the majority of Americans supporting off-shore drilling, how could she do this?
Doesn't she represent the people, or does she decree edicts to the people?
( I am an Independent, not a Republican or Democrat, by the way)
This is shameful. As a leader, she is an embarrassment to our democratic process.
It takes time to do anything; but nothing will be done until the first step is taken.
This should have been resolved many years ago, when Congress saw today's events coming.

chris
08-01-2008, 6:38 PM
this congress do something? oh nevermind they aren't doing anything that just showing up.

MrTuffPaws
08-01-2008, 7:15 PM
LOL. Let the Repubs forgo their vacation. What are they going to legislate? Another handout, or restriction of the free market?

MrTuffPaws
08-01-2008, 7:17 PM
With polls showing the majority of Americans supporting off-shore drilling, how could she do this?
Doesn't she represent the people, or does she decree edicts to the people?
( I am an Independent, not a Republican or Democrat, by the way)
This is shameful. As a leader, she is an embarrassment to our democratic process.
It takes time to do anything; but nothing will be done until the first step is taken.
This should have been resolved many years ago, when Congress saw today's events coming.

Off shore drilling will do nothing in the short term, and arguably hardly anything in the long term to combat gas prices. Plus, why would you want us to use up our oil reserves when there is still plenty of oil to be gotten overseas....for a price.

dgey
08-01-2008, 7:21 PM
this is nothing new. name calling, people and party's not giving in and stalling all legislation... this is old hat. both parties do it regularly... this is our government at work... what the people want isn't important... it's what will keep politicians in power that is the most important item on the agenda... start reading the news from other countries regarding the United States..., that'll open your eyes... :eek:

Meplat
08-01-2008, 10:11 PM
Maybe the R's should have done some work during their reign supreme over the land during the last few terms..then maybe this wouldn't seem so hypocritical.

You can't argue with that.

FortCourageArmory
08-01-2008, 10:19 PM
The US Geological Survey Dept. estimates* that there is over one TRILLION barrels of recoverable oil in the oil shale of the Green River Formation in the western US. If recovered, it would be able to supply the US with enough oil to provide for our needs for 137 YEARS!!!! The math is 1,000,000,000,000 divided by the average 20,000,000 barrel per day usage we been averaging for the past five years.

Results = enough oil in our own back yard to tell the Saudis to pound sand. This doesn't even take into account the oil in the ANWAR region of Alaska or the oil off both coasts and in the Gulf of Mexico. Would it take time to develop this? No doubt. But, just announcing that we are going after all our homebound oil would drive the OPEC nations into lowering prices. It's simple free market economics. Tell your supplier that you are looking elsewhere and he will lower hi sprice to keep you at his teat. While you pay his lower price, look for the other source and use it as leverage until you can go to it full time.




* - link http://energy.cr.usgs.gov/other/oil_shale/green_river.html

RRangel
08-01-2008, 11:21 PM
With polls showing the majority of Americans supporting off-shore drilling, how could she do this?
Doesn't she represent the people, or does she decree edicts to the people?
( I am an Independent, not a Republican or Democrat, by the way)
This is shameful. As a leader, she is an embarrassment to our democratic process.
It takes time to do anything; but nothing will be done until the first step is taken.
This should have been resolved many years ago, when Congress saw today's events coming.

Representative of the people? She's more a modern day aristocrat. The "consent of the governed" is not a political theory she's interested in acknowledging, well that is unless it will further her Marxist inspired views and career.

Theseus
08-02-2008, 12:50 AM
I say we all drive bio-diesel made to run off the gas of politicians. They are right though. . .The one thing I believe strongly is that we knew this to me coming well over 30 years and didn't do anything about it. . . But the Bush Admin. didn't help things either. During Bush Sr. and Slick Willy gas prices were almost unchanged! Bush Sr. 97 cents/gallon. . . Clinton I believe was about $1.35.

jamesob
08-02-2008, 11:26 AM
she think she is the queen, she is the queen of beotches.