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stockplayer
07-30-2008, 12:04 AM
Does the state know who has these? Rumors say that if a cop runs your name they can tell if you have OLLs? I always thought that the DROS paperwork only stated the sale was for a Long Gun. What is the truth to this?

Josh3239
07-30-2008, 12:07 AM
:fud:

There is no registration of long arms in CA. The only papertrail is the DROS and it only tells whoever is reading it that it is a long arm. LE can however run checks on registered AWs and handguns.

Shane916
07-30-2008, 12:13 AM
Does the state know who has these? Rumors say that if a cop runs your name they can tell if you have OLLs? I always thought that the DROS paperwork only stated the sale was for a Long Gun. What is the truth to this?

The system LE uses is AFS, of which only handguns and registered AW's exist.

stockplayer
07-30-2008, 12:43 AM
I know about registration........But I heard that the DOJ is now auditing FFLs and finding out who has bought OLLs.

Shane916
07-30-2008, 12:54 AM
I know about registration........But I heard that the DOJ is now auditing FFLs and finding out who has bought OLLs.

They've always audited FFL's but I highly doubt they are recording every OLL from every 4473. It would be extremely time consuming. They are legal so there isn't anything beneficial by having the information.

odysseus
07-30-2008, 1:24 AM
They've always audited FFL's but I highly doubt they are recording every OLL from every 4473. It would be extremely time consuming. They are legal so there isn't anything beneficial by having the information.

Bolded for emphasis.

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Casual Observer
07-30-2008, 1:38 AM
Does the state know who has these? Rumors say that if a cop runs your name they can tell if you have OLLs? I always thought that the DROS paperwork only stated the sale was for a Long Gun. What is the truth to this?

There's always a paper trail. The disposition a dealer keeps, along with the 4473's and DROS paperwork links you to the retailer with several copies of what you bought, where you live, etc. It can be traced all the way back to where the original forging was made.

But as has been stated above, it's all legal, so why would "they" bother? Unless you do something illegal with the gun, there's no reason you would fall under a microscope.

6172crew
07-30-2008, 6:50 AM
I know during the first off load of OLL @ 10% the DOJ was trying to get names from Wes but he told them if they listed them he would send out the letters to have them Reg'd.

Im sure they have started a few lists of OLL owners but safety in numbers kept them from sending brownshirts...er ATF/DOJ to our doors.

gd-bh
07-30-2008, 7:14 AM
This may be a dumb question, but how do they know it's an OLL, as the DROS form just says "longgun"?

tenpercentfirearms
07-30-2008, 7:24 AM
How many times do we have to go over this?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=112040&highlight=base

A324
07-30-2008, 8:13 AM
2 weeks

braskin
07-30-2008, 10:54 AM
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sorensen440
07-30-2008, 10:57 AM
I know about registration........But I heard that the DOJ is now auditing FFLs and finding out who has bought OLLs.

thats just a rumor

1911_sfca
07-30-2008, 11:09 AM
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I knew our governor had something to do with this...

Fjold
07-30-2008, 11:15 AM
Two weeks!

And then it's off the detention camps!

stockplayer
07-30-2008, 12:30 PM
How many times do we have to go over this?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=112040&highlight=base

Could not find that old thread

Thanks question answered

I did not pick up on the sarcasm about the friend being pulled over and his name being run. Sorry Dude!

Ironchef
07-30-2008, 3:05 PM
Could not find that old thread

Thanks question answered

I did not pick up on the sarcasm about the friend being pulled over and his name being run. Sorry Dude!

Me neither, till I read your post.

So, to confirm, since I honestly did not know either way....Do the DOJ know who possesses OLLS? I know I asked my FFL the other day how he listed my spikes lower, and he said he listed it as "spikes sl-15" and put the serial number down. Was he supposed to put "long gun?" Crap...now I'm the ONLY one the DOJ knows about!! crap..

CSACANNONEER
07-30-2008, 3:08 PM
Two weeks!

And then it's off the detention camps!

I guess we will be seeing SAS again after all!