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jamesob
07-25-2008, 7:07 AM
could the employees of the state be the ones to start the revolution? sounds like their pay may be reduced to minimum wage at least some of the employees, no politition of course.

ZapThyCat
07-25-2008, 7:11 AM
No one will start the revolution. Especially not cush gov't employees.

motorhead
07-25-2008, 7:15 AM
civil service drones.

jamesob
07-25-2008, 7:34 AM
they might when they get pushed down to minimum wage. lol

Decoligny
07-25-2008, 7:35 AM
could the employees of the state be the ones to start the revolution? sounds like their pay may be reduced to minimum wage at least some of the employees, no politition of course.

And were not even talking California minimum wage of $8.00/hour, were talking Federal minimum wage of $6.55. :eek:

Decoligny
07-25-2008, 7:36 AM
civil service drones.

I did 20 years Active Duty Military, and now work for the U.S. Air Force as Civil Service.

I sure as hell ain't no drone.

Satex
07-25-2008, 7:37 AM
Don't kid yourself. It is nothing but a publicity stunt meant to pressure the Republicans into caving in to the Democrats' new taxes. The pay cut will only apply until the budget is approved, and once it is approved, they will receive all back pay.

sorensen440
07-25-2008, 7:38 AM
Its either that or massive layoffs
the state is bankrupt

M. D. Van Norman
07-25-2008, 7:41 AM
The last time this idea came up, the Controller promised that she would continue issuing payroll checks, effectively voiding the threat. Has John Chiang weighed in yet?

ryno066
07-25-2008, 7:42 AM
The state has been bankrupt for years now. We should have saved some of the housing market/internet cash you know, for a rainy the housing market sky is falling day.

RP1911
07-25-2008, 7:48 AM
as it stands, those who are required to travel are fronting the $s until the budget is signed. It adds up quick if you are on the road once or twice a week.

DAMHIK

rjf
07-25-2008, 7:52 AM
Why can't the gov suspend the pay of the legislature? They are the problem.

geeknow
07-25-2008, 8:01 AM
when George Washington was running the show, he led from the front...as leaders were expected to do. He put his stones and wealth on the line just as he asked others to follow him and do the same. That is what made our country, and made it great.

That, sadly, is no longer the case. Now, our "leaders" lead from the back, safe and secure in the knowledge that what they say or do actually will have no practical effect on them. "Taxes? Sure, no big deal. I wont have to pay them"."Restrictions on business? Sure, its not my company." "Curtail civil liberties? Why not? I am exempt".

As long as this is the case, nothing meaningful will happen to improve our situation. IMHO.

Guntech
07-25-2008, 8:25 AM
No one will start the revolution. Especially not cush gov't employees.

Yep

CCWFacts
07-25-2008, 8:28 AM
could the employees of the state be the ones to start the revolution? sounds like their pay may be reduced to minimum wage at least some of the employees, no politition of course.

No, their pay is not being reduced. It is being withheld until the budget passes. Once the budget passes they will get the back salary that they would have gotten. It's only a delay, and it won't even be a long delay.

Pthfndr
07-25-2008, 4:52 PM
Why can't the gov suspend the pay of the legislature? They are the problem.

State legislators and their staff do NOT get paid, once the budget dead line has passed, until a budget is passed.

Arnold does not take his pay anyway so it doesn't effect him.

Chiang said he would go ahead and pay the state workers regardless of what Arnie does, and said if Arnie doesn't like it, Arnie can sue him in court.

Meplat
07-25-2008, 11:24 PM
State legislators and their staff do NOT get paid, once the budget dead line has passed, until a budget is passed.

Arnold does not take his pay anyway so it doesn't effect him.

Chiang said he would go ahead and pay the state workers regardless of what Arnie does, and said if Arnie doesn't like it, Arnie can sue him in court.

That is correct. This happens from time to time. The state issues "warents" insted of checks. Both are a "promis to pay" and the banks honer them. We state employiees are used to it. It is all political posturing. There are ways around all of it. The only people adversly effected are the seasonal employiees that actually do the bulk of the real work. We are not all "drones" I just put in a week of 14-16 houer days and I don't get overtime. But the job needed to get done. And BTW our program does not get a penney of tax money. We are funded by the industry we serve, although the work we do benifits the general public also.:p

1hkfan
07-26-2008, 12:13 AM
That is correct. This happens from time to time. The state issues "warents" insted of checks. Both are a "promis to pay" and the banks honer them. We state employiees are used to it. It is all political posturing. There are ways around all of it. The only people adversly effected are the seasonal employiees that actually do the bulk of the real work. We are not all "drones" I just put in a week of 14-16 houer days and I don't get overtime. But the job needed to get done. And BTW our program does not get a penney of tax money. We are funded by the industry we serve, although the work we do benifits the general public also.:p

I'm not sure where you received your information from but the State of California has been prohibited from issuing promises to pay since it was ruled illegal in 1992. At that time during a budget impass, state employee's were issued IOU's and initially banks accepted them. This quickly changed after it appeared the budget impass would drag on for months.

As to your statement; "There are ways around all of it." Unless you are employed in a position classified as "Directly related to the preservation and protection of human life and safety" This classification is generally limited to Law Enforcement, Fire, EMS and Doctors/Nurses etc. Employees not in this classification will be affected.

KTGunner
07-26-2008, 12:52 AM
when George Washington was running the show, he led from the front...as leaders were expected to do. He put his stones and wealth on the line just as he asked others to follow him and do the same. That is what made our country, and made it great.

That, sadly, is no longer the case. Now, our "leaders" lead from the back, safe and secure in the knowledge that what they say or do actually will have no practical effect on them. "Taxes? Sure, no big deal. I wont have to pay them"."Restrictions on business? Sure, its not my company." "Curtail civil liberties? Why not? I am exempt".

As long as this is the case, nothing meaningful will happen to improve our situation. IMHO.

WOW, very well said. :hurray:

Model X
07-26-2008, 1:16 AM
This state (along with many now-days) was founded upon a PART TIME legislature. Our legislature would meet part time and discuss pressing issues. Now they are paid to just sit around and come up with ideas that they and every one else knows wont get passed but they will go for it anyways cause they are paid to do that.

I say we go back to the part time legislature.

But uh... everyone complains of state workers now, can you imagine the quality of workers if they were only paid minimum wage?

leitung
07-26-2008, 8:22 AM
This is a load of bull crap, my dad works for the state in the IT biz. They CANNOT reprogram the computers to change the pay to min wage soon enough, it would take them 90 days or more to get it done..

It won't happen, it's a scare tactic..

Wulf
07-26-2008, 9:00 AM
could the employees of the state be the ones to start the revolution? sounds like their pay may be reduced to minimum wage at least some of the employees, no politition of course.

The whole socialist objective of having as many people as possible on the dole, whether its the Cal-Trans dole, or the Bureau of the Department of the Administration dole, or welfare is to prevent revolution. And its historically been a pretty effective strategy up till the point where the whole economy collapses. But in this case Ca. hasn't figured out a way to prevent you from moving so you'll never reach that critical mass.

Meplat
07-26-2008, 11:17 AM
I'm not sure where you received your information from but the State of California has been prohibited from issuing promises to pay since it was ruled illegal in 1992. At that time during a budget impass, state employee's were issued IOU's and initially banks accepted them. This quickly changed after it appeared the budget impass would drag on for months.

As to your statement; "There are ways around all of it." Unless you are employed in a position classified as "Directly related to the preservation and protection of human life and safety" This classification is generally limited to Law Enforcement, Fire, EMS and Doctors/Nurses etc. Employees not in this classification will be affected.

I don't know where you get your information, but I get mine from being a twenty five year State employee. Do you know how many times we have not passed a budget on time? Seven times in the last 25 years we have had an on time budget, the rest have been late. At no time have I not been paid. I was paid in 92, as were all state employees. They are not called IOUs except in the media (we all know the media never make mistakes) they are called warrents. The media made a big deal out of some institutions saying they may not honer them but that turned out to be a paper tiger. However It cost some banks the business of state workers. It is not the responsibility of the governer to see that state workers get paid. It is the responsibility of the Comptroler, who is subject to both civil and criminal penalties if he does not perform this dutie. That is why the comptroler always tells the governor to go pound sand in these cercomstances. Dem., Rep., it don't matter.

Buy the way, we also have a travel freez in effect. I am not in any of the catigories you mentioned or any other exempted classification, but I spent the week on the road last week and not on my own money, on a state supplied travel advance. If you can tell me how I did that then I might listen to some of your reteric about how the state works and what they can and can't do. Like I said there are ways around all this stuff. If you can't explain it to the folks just say so and I will.

It's all political posturing, spin, and brinksmanship with no brink.

jaymz
07-26-2008, 1:23 PM
That is correct. This happens from time to time. The state issues "warents" insted of checks. Both are a "promis to pay" and the banks honer them. We state employiees are used to it. It is all political posturing. There are ways around all of it. The only people adversly effected are the seasonal employiees that actually do the bulk of the real work. We are not all "drones" I just put in a week of 14-16 houer days and I don't get overtime. But the job needed to get done. And BTW our program does not get a penney of tax money. We are funded by the industry we serve, although the work we do benifits the general public also.:p

I'm not usually a spelling Nazi, but GEEZ! If this post is any indication, it's no wonder our State's so screwed up. And secondly, if you are a State employee, how does your program "not get a penny of tax money"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the State gets all of it's money from taxpayers?

RP1911
07-26-2008, 1:45 PM
There are programs that are funded from the General Fund (taxes) and their are other programs that are funded from Special funds (not from taxes but from fees.)

jamesob
07-26-2008, 1:57 PM
I'm not usually a spelling Nazi, but GEEZ! If this post is any indication, it's no wonder our State's so screwed up. And secondly, if you are a State employee, how does your program "not get a penny of tax money"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the State gets all of it's money from taxpayers?im know speling nut ither but ikan spel bitter thn that.

RomanDad
07-26-2008, 2:13 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the State gets all of it's money from taxpayers?

No.... It gets a lot of money from the issuance of bonds as well.

BillCA
07-26-2008, 2:42 PM
The problem is the legislature.
Look at it this way... you know what your job deadlines are, especially when they're set in concrete every year.

The legislature knows when the budget deadline is. There is no excuse for the legislature not to submit a defensible budget to the governor on time every year.


Since it is generally the legislature's fault, let's make some new "office rules" to encourage proper performance:
The budget must be submitted within 5 days of its due date.
For each 7-day period after the 5-day grace period for which a budget is not submitted, the legislature will forefit 20% of the salary of the members of the legislature across the board for the balance of the upcoming fiscal year.
If the legislature has not submitted a signable budget and has not overridden executive veto within 6 weeks, the legislature will be paid the state minimum wage for the balance of the upcoming fiscal year.
In any fiscal year in which the budget was not submitted on time, including the 5-day grace period;
A) The legislature may not vote for any future pay increase for the legislature.
B) No member shall redecorate or refurnish their offices
C) Members will be required to pay for their own vehicle fuel.
D) Members will pay for their meals at the capitol building.
If the budget has not been implemented within 8 weeks, once a new budget has been signed, the first legislative action will be to replace the Senate President pro Tem and the Speaker of the House for incompetence.
Or we could just make it really simple.
Pay the legislature out of the budget surplus. :D

jamesob
07-26-2008, 2:51 PM
every penny that the state or fed govn't spends is tax dollars. wether its bonds or grants. it comes from you and i. the states and federal govn't has no business that can generate money so it comes from taxes. let me correct myself, they do charge fees for people to do business or other stuff in this country so i guess that could be considered a business. they do sell arms and other products to other countrys at a loss profit that was paid for by tax payers.

dwtt
07-26-2008, 3:20 PM
It's a good thing the state doesn't have continuing resolutions like the fed govt does. Otherwise they would never pass a budget when they can keep passing continuing resolutions over and over again. That's how much faith I have in our state legislators.

SteveH
07-26-2008, 4:11 PM
Would be an interesting experiment to reduce the pay of the CHP and CDC to $6.55hr.

Wonder how many would just stay home.

VegasND
07-26-2008, 4:25 PM
Would be an interesting experiment to reduce the pay of the CHP and CDC to $6.55hr.

Wonder how many would just stay home.

Not nearly enough. But, it would be a nice start:D

AngelDecoys
07-26-2008, 4:31 PM
Don't kid yourself. It is nothing but a publicity stunt meant to pressure the Republicans into caving in to the Democrats' new taxes. The pay cut will only apply until the budget is approved, and once it is approved, they will receive all back pay.

My thinking as well. This is along the same lines as the Governor suggesting a 10% across the board cut before the actual numbers were known. Its to push both sides to start negotiating.

Two sides.
Republicans do not want to raise the tax burden (proposed new taxes put CA the highest in the country).
Democrats are resistant to cutting anything that harms their voting base.

Hense, no movement on the budget. I don't think the GOP can be demonized enough to change their stance. They have nothing to lose at this point. And the Democrats are pulling out the stops trying to make the GOP look bad. Who will give first? Hopefully, no more taxes.

RP1911
07-26-2008, 4:50 PM
and how big was the Denham recall defeat? Huge. They would have been 1 short of overriding vetos. And we all know that the possibility of a Republican joining the Dems would not be far fetched. Just think of Quackenbush and his vote to get the Roberti-Roos AW bill out of committee.

Meplat
07-26-2008, 6:17 PM
every penny that the state or fed govn't spends is tax dollars. wether its bonds or grants. it comes from you and i. the states and federal govn't has no business that can generate money so it comes from taxes. let me correct myself, they do charge fees for people to do business or other stuff in this country so i guess that could be considered a business. they do sell arms and other products to other countrys at a loss profit that was paid for by tax payers.


Every should be capitalized. Abbreviations of fed and govnít are badly butchered. To start with, they should both be capitalized. Both should end with a period and Gov. is badly misspelled. There is also a problem with subject verb agreement. Thatís just the first sentence.

Whether should be capitalized and is misspelled. ďItsĒ should be itís as in it is, not as in belonging to it. Using a period after grants instead of a comma results in a sentence fragment. Thatís sentence two.

It and I should be capitalized in sentence three.

None of your sentences start with a capitol, nor are your personal pronouns capitalized. You also miss-abbreviate Gov. every time it is used, and your subject verb agreement is usually wrong, so we will just leave it at that.

You are actually quite boring with your mistakes, I, on the other hand, have been known to spell the same word 3 or 4 different ways in the same paragraph. Itís a gift.

Look, I have a spell-checker just like every one else, but do we want meaningful discussion of topics and free flowing exchange of ideas or do we want to worry over every word because someone might jump on it. I think the former. Until it gets to the point that you canít understand it, donít worry about it. But if you guys like cheep shots, I can do that too. And payback can be a *****.

Meplat
07-26-2008, 7:23 PM
I'm not usually a spelling Nazi, but GEEZ! If this post is any indication, it's no wonder our State's so screwed up. And secondly, if you are a State employee, how does your program "not get a penny of tax money"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the State gets all of it's money from taxpayers?



To start with, I am not an office mouse paper pusher. I am a field supervisor. However I occasionally have to write technical reports and am actually quite good at it. The difference is the company pays me to do it so I do it in a professional manner, the last I checked you guys donít pay for my opinion.

I work for a program that performs a service that is of great benefit to certain industries as well as the general public. When we were first established about 70 years ago we were also of benefit to the war effort. The service we perform was something that could only be effective if co-ordinate in a collective manner and benefited (at least then) from the prestige of being a state entity. Originally, as I understand it we were funded by a combination of state, federal, and industry money. After the war the Feds pulled out. The industry paid 60% of our operating budget and the state general fund paid 40%. We have an industry board that governs our activities. They have one member from the state department that we are in, one member from the general public, and several members from the industry we protect. The industry constitutes a majority. Under Dukmagian (SP?) we had budget crises similar to the one now. We were stripped of our general fund money and it became up to the industry to fund our program if they felt they were getting their moneys worth. They did, and we are operating on 100% industry money. I like it that way. We are required to keep a reserve fund at all times equivalent to six months operating expenses that is available to shut the program down with no use of state money if the industry should decide we are no longer providing the bang for the buck that they require. Itís a lot like working for private industry. However, industry funded programs are governed differently than state funded programs and to change our charter and thus our official status requires an act of the legislature. The legislature likes its power and although there have been three bills introduced sense we went 100% industry they were tabled. We are still subject to the 10AM phone call that says ďsend all your seasonal home until further noticeĒ. They can also use our program to make ďcutsĒ that they know will never stick but make good headlines.

Itís all smoke and mirrors. Our money comes from assessments the industry board votes to levy on its self. That money used to be kept in a fund administered by the state. During the Wilson budget crises it was taken to cover budget shortfalls and only the principle was paid back. The interest amounting to almost a million dollars was kept by the state. The board now keeps its money in a private bank.

The nature of our work dictates that at certain times of the year certain things have to be done. We canít wait for the legislature. I needed to travel this week so I charged it off to a sister program that is also industry funded but unlike us it is chartered that way. When we get a budget the favor will be returned. So you see, in a lot of cases your essential services are being continued by some pretty creative *@$^*$@ no good drones in spite of the politicos you send to Sacramento.

Consider yourself corrected.

motorhead
07-26-2008, 9:57 PM
dude you must be in a rare position. if any of the state agencys i've had dealings with (BAR, CSLB) asked the industries they "serve" to fund their operation they would immediately cease to exist.

Meplat
07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
dude you must be in a rare position. if any of the state agencys i've had dealings with (BAR, CSLB) asked the industries they "serve" to fund their operation they would immediately cease to exist.

I am in a rare position that's the only way I could stand it for 25 years and have a little pride in what I do.

jamesob
07-26-2008, 10:37 PM
I am in a rare position that's the only way I could stand it for 25 years and have a little pride in what I do. first of all, i am not going to hit the cap buttom everytime i start a sentence. second, i still did not spell as many words wrong as you. also i believe gov. and govn't is the abbriviation for government and gov. is the abbriviation for governor also. what is your rare position? your profile says you kill bugs.

1hkfan
07-26-2008, 10:50 PM
I don't know where you get your information, but I get mine from being a twenty five year State employee. Do you know how many times we have not passed a budget on time? Seven times in the last 25 years we have had an on time budget, the rest have been late. At no time have I not been paid. I was paid in 92, as were all state employees. They are not called IOUs except in the media (we all know the media never make mistakes) they are called warrents. The media made a big deal out of some institutions saying they may not honer them but that turned out to be a paper tiger. However It cost some banks the business of state workers. It is not the responsibility of the governer to see that state workers get paid. It is the responsibility of the Comptroler, who is subject to both civil and criminal penalties if he does not perform this dutie. That is why the comptroler always tells the governor to go pound sand in these cercomstances. Dem., Rep., it don't matter.

Buy the way, we also have a travel freez in effect. I am not in any of the catigories you mentioned or any other exempted classification, but I spent the week on the road last week and not on my own money, on a state supplied travel advance. If you can tell me how I did that then I might listen to some of your reteric about how the state works and what they can and can't do. Like I said there are ways around all this stuff. If you can't explain it to the folks just say so and I will.

It's all political posturing, spin, and brinksmanship with no brink.

No, I won't try and explain anything else to you. With the vast knowledge you've aquired over the past 25 years as a "State Supervisor" I'm sure your much better suited for that. Besides, I have no idea what "reteric" means.

11Z50
07-27-2008, 8:05 AM
Alrighty boyz!!!!!:hide::lurk5::90:

Meplat
07-27-2008, 9:06 AM
first of all, i am not going to hit the cap buttom everytime i start a sentence. second, i still did not spell as many words wrong as you. also i believe gov. and govn't is the abbriviation for government and gov. is the abbriviation for governor also. what is your rare position? your profile says you kill bugs.

First of all, itís all good. As long as I can read it Iím happy. I apologize if it seemed all directed at you, it Wasenít, it was for all the spelling nazis out there who were having too much fun.

Yes I kill bugs. We find them, follow them, sort out their generational cycles, and when the timing is right we kill them. Itís not as simple as it sounds. We get it done very efficiently in the most environmentally friendly manner possible. We get it done for about six dollars an acre. The material we use only lasts 3 days before it breaks down into harmless compounds so the timing must be nearly perfect.

The specific bug is the Beet Leafhopper. They are the only vector for a viral plant disease that effects beets, melons, beans, broccoli, spinach, cucurbits, tomatoes and more. They over winter on rangeland, in the foothills, on the west side of the central valley. They do not harm the rangeland so the rancher has no interest in controlling them. Once an infected hopper has pluged into a crop plant the damage is done, so a grower can kill all the hoppers he wants and his crop will still be infected. Sugar beets and tomatoes were the most effected in the old days, but resistant beet verities have been developed and itís not that much of a problem for them now. There are however no resistant tomatoes.

The US Fish & Wildlife Service prevented us from doing our spring treatment this year and about half the tomatoes in the valley are infected. Late spring rains held the hoppers in the hills longer than usual so most of the plants were infected at a later life stage than usual. If that had not happened we probably would have lost most of the crop. As it is, the amount of tonnage lost cannot be evaluated until the crop is in. Many growers are just hoping to be able to break even.

This affects not just the growers but also the irrigators, and tractor drivers, and the women working in the packing sheds to buy school clothes for the kids. It hurts the whole California economy. It will make a difference in the price of tomatoes. If you like pizza, spaghetti, Catsup, or a nice big slice on your burger you should be my biggest fan.

Fight the high cost of food: Eat a treehugger.

You asked.

jamesob
07-27-2008, 10:11 AM
First of all, itís all good. As long as I can read it Iím happy. I apologize if it seemed all directed at you, it Wasenít, it was for all the spelling nazis out there who were having too much fun.

Yes I kill bugs. We find them, follow them, sort out their generational cycles, and when the timing is right we kill them. Itís not as simple as it sounds. We get it done very efficiently in the most environmentally friendly manner possible. We get it done for about six dollars an acre. The material we use only lasts 3 days before it breaks down into harmless compounds so the timing must be nearly perfect.

The specific bug is the Beet Leafhopper. They are the only vector for a viral plant disease that effects beets, melons, beans, broccoli, spinach, cucurbits, tomatoes and more. They over winter on rangeland, in the foothills, on the west side of the central valley. They do not harm the rangeland so the rancher has no interest in controlling them. Once an infected hopper has pluged into a crop plant the damage is done, so a grower can kill all the hoppers he wants and his crop will still be infected. Sugar beets and tomatoes were the most effected in the old days, but resistant beet verities have been developed and itís not that much of a problem for them now. There are however no resistant tomatoes.

The US Fish & Wildlife Service prevented us from doing our spring treatment this year and about half the tomatoes in the valley are infected. Late spring rains held the hoppers in the hills longer than usual so most of the plants were infected at a later life stage than usual. If that had not happened we probably would have lost most of the crop. As it is, the amount of tonnage lost cannot be evaluated until the crop is in. Many growers are just hoping to be able to break even.

This affects not just the growers but also the irrigators, and tractor drivers, and the women working in the packing sheds to buy school clothes for the kids. It hurts the whole California economy. It will make a difference in the price of tomatoes. If you like pizza, spaghetti, Catsup, or a nice big slice on your burger you should be my biggest fan.

Fight the high cost of food: Eat a treehugger.

You asked. your right, its all good. there is nothing wrong with talking smack from time to time its kind of fun. and i apoligize.

Big O
07-27-2008, 10:17 AM
Good writing is essential to effective communication. Chastising may be a little strong, but it is good to take a little pride in one's writing as it is an extension of their work and represents them to others who in this case, largely don't know each other aside from an online profile. Just like a gunsmith or mechanic that keeps his work area clean and his tools and parts organized. Sloppy grammar and bad spelling look like you don't care enough to do a good job or be taken seriously because if you did you would read your post over a couple of times to make sure it is easy, fun or interesting to read. Bad grammar and spelling are the cyber equivalent of looking like a slob. No one is asking for, nor is expecting a piece by Ernest Hemingway. I know this is not a workplace and there are no professional requirements, but it is essential to maintaining a credible public persona.

Meplat
07-27-2008, 2:37 PM
Good writing is essential to effective communication. Chastising may be a little strong, but it is good to take a little pride in one's writing as it is an extension of their work and represents them to others who in this case, largely don't know each other aside from an online profile. Just like a gunsmith or mechanic that keeps his work area clean and his tools and parts organized. Sloppy grammar and bad spelling look like you don't care enough to do a good job or be taken seriously because if you did you would read your post over a couple of times to make sure it is easy, fun or interesting to read. Bad grammar and spelling are the cyber equivalent of looking like a slob. No one is asking for, nor is expecting a piece by Ernest Hemingway. I know this is not a workplace and there are no professional requirements, but it is essential to maintaining a credible public persona.

Yes mother.

You sound like my 11th grade English teacher.

Which does not mean you are not right.

I'll try harder, but at the time WAS comming off three 14+ hour days while sleeping (not) in motels.

I don't think the zinfandel help much either.:p

Meplat
07-27-2008, 2:39 PM
OOPS! HELPED

Decoligny
07-28-2008, 10:46 AM
No.... It gets a lot of money from the issuance of bonds as well.

All that a bond is, is a state promissary note. They "borrow" money from whoever buys the bond, and they pay it back with loads of interest, using TAX MONEY out of your pocket and mine.

So yes it is Tax Money, Tax Money that hasn't even been collected yet. Tax money from our children's and our grandchildren's pockets.

Two Shots
07-28-2008, 11:19 AM
Let the state workers walk off. If they don't want the TEMP pay cut then thats on the worker. As they say, Thier are plenty of Illegals that will do the job Americans won't.
The state officials need to get thier act together and get the budget passed.

Clodbuster
07-28-2008, 11:26 AM
You know...if there was a paycut and it was permanent...the budget would be balanced with a huge surplus. Then the state legislature would have to find new things to fight over.

Clod

Let the state workers walk off. If they don't want the TEMP pay cut then thats on the worker. As they say, Thier are plenty of Illegals that will do the job Americans won't.
The state officials need to get thier act together and get the budget passed.

Clodbuster
07-28-2008, 11:39 AM
So you really believe that the industry that pays 100% of your operating expenses eats all this cost without impact to their customer base? If you increase the cost 10x, I'm sure they'll pay it as well because in the end, it's the consumer of whatever they produce that foots the bill...which also happens to be the taxpayer.
There are many slots at the post office to put your mail in, but they all end up in the same bin. You can call them fees, bonds, stipdends, grants, offsets or whatever. When the money comes out of my pocket and it ends up going to fuel the government, its a TAX.

Clod

The industry paid 60% of our operating budget and the state general fund paid 40%. We have an industry board that governs our activities. They have one member from the state department that we are in, one member from the general public, and several members from the industry we protect. The industry constitutes a majority. Under Dukmagian (SP?) we had budget crises similar to the one now. We were stripped of our general fund money and it became up to the industry to fund our program if they felt they were getting their moneys worth. They did, and we are operating on 100% industry money.

1hkfan
07-28-2008, 3:05 PM
Let the state workers walk off. If they don't want the TEMP pay cut then thats on the worker. As they say, Thier are plenty of Illegals that will do the job Americans won't.
The state officials need to get thier act together and get the budget passed.

Now that's a great idea! Just what we need, unskilled, illegal alien labor, building and repairing bridges in the state. :eek:

If our elected officials somehow figured out they can only spend what they have available to them; this problem would be solved. Many people have suggested suspending the pay of legislators but this wouldn't have any real effect on their decisions. Most if not all, are wealthy people who do not rely on their state pay check. What they do rely on is power. If you can figure out a way to threaten their seats in office then you will see real change.

Two Shots
07-28-2008, 3:21 PM
If our elected officials somehow figured out they can only spend what they have available to them; this problem would be solved. Many people have suggested suspended the pay of legislators but this wouldn't have any effect on their decisions. Most if not all, are wealthy people who do not rely on their state pay check. What they do rely on is power. If you can figure out a way to threaten their seats in office then you will see change.

Well said, They know they will not be inconvenienced or disciplined in any manner for not meeting thier deadlines. There should be a way to penalize them for thier failure to produce a budget on time, How about a ban from running for another term or ?

jamesob
07-28-2008, 3:38 PM
i think they held the polititions paycheck onetime until they set a budget.

Builder
07-28-2008, 3:46 PM
The fact is that over the last 4 years, state revenues have grown by 40 percent, while the Legislature increased spending by 44 percent.
Thanks,
Builder

Meplat
07-28-2008, 7:52 PM
So you really believe that the industry that pays 100% of your operating expenses eats all this cost without impact to their customer base? If you increase the cost 10x, I'm sure they'll pay it as well because in the end, it's the consumer of whatever they produce that foots the bill...which also happens to be the taxpayer.
There are many slots at the post office to put your mail in, but they all end up in the same bin. You can call them fees, bonds, stipdends, grants, offsets or whatever. When the money comes out of my pocket and it ends up going to fuel the government, its a TAX.

Clod

You are absolutely correct. But then if we make the production of tomatoes cheeper, who benefits?:rol

Meplat
07-28-2008, 7:56 PM
So you really believe that the industry that pays 100% of your operating expenses eats all this cost without impact to their customer base? If you increase the cost 10x, I'm sure they'll pay it as well because in the end, it's the consumer of whatever they produce that foots the bill...which also happens to be the taxpayer.
There are many slots at the post office to put your mail in, but they all end up in the same bin. You can call them fees, bonds, stipdends, grants, offsets or whatever. When the money comes out of my pocket and it ends up going to fuel the government, its a TAX.

Clod

Except that WE can't increase the cost, they have to increase the cost. And they will only do it if they think it will decrease the cost of production. So the growers and consumers benefit in the long run.:p

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