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Python2
07-23-2008, 6:44 AM
This article should be forwarded to our legislators and anti gun LEO's.

Australian Gun Law Update
by Bob Sajot
May 29, 2008

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down[Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information. The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note, before it's too late!

McMadCow
07-23-2008, 7:52 AM
Not that I don't believe it, but please link the source to this...

kap
07-23-2008, 7:56 AM
The date on this article is not correct. I believe the last firearm turn-in in Australian was in 1998. The numbers seem to be in line with those from 1996 though.

http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html

1911su16b870
07-23-2008, 8:49 AM
FWIW my uncle in Canberra said that a month before the turn in date, all large diameter pvc tubing sold out! :D

Fjold
07-23-2008, 9:01 AM
Australians still own rifles and shotguns.

spitter3
07-23-2008, 9:12 AM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/739452/posts

E mail

Earlier

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html

Cato
07-23-2008, 10:21 AM
Subjects of the Queen, not free men. :(

Manic Moran
07-23-2008, 11:38 AM
I consider that email to be suspect. The Aussies have had a firearms ban in place for many years.

NTM

xrMike
07-23-2008, 11:40 AM
Australians still own rifles and shotguns.But nothing semi-auto, right?

oaklander
07-23-2008, 12:27 PM
I'd like to believe the letter - but I can't, since it's not grounded in fact. Please see:

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/38/RPP38.pdf

Guntech
07-23-2008, 12:34 PM
Well I doubt any of us would just give up our guns. Am I right? Would you give up your rights without a fight?

kap
07-23-2008, 1:02 PM
I'd like to believe the letter - but I can't, since it's not grounded in fact. Please see:

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/38/RPP38.pdf

That report is actually more damning than the supposed email.

Conclusion

Armed robbery is a crime of particular concern in Australia, both to the
public and to governments. National statistics have documented dramatic
increases in the incidence of armed robbery, especially between 1996 and
1998 where the rate of armed robbery almost doubled (ABS 1999). Of all
types of violent crime, it is the one most commonly committed by strangers.
Not only can it entail physical and psychological injury to victims, it can
impose significant costs on two important sectors of the economy—banking
and small business.

Despite its importance, we know very little about the surrounding
circumstances and patterns of armed robbery across Australia. Based on the
national statistics collection, we know about its incidence, the gender and
age group of persons most likely to be victimised, locations most likely to be
targeted, and whether the weapon used was a firearm or some other
weapon. This data does not allow us to examine in any great detail the
reasons why other weapons are being used increasingly more often in the
execution of armed robbery. In the past, most discussions surrounding
weapon use in armed robbery have focused solely on firearms. While this
focus may have been justified when firearms were used in about 40 per cent
of armed robberies in Australia (ABS 1994), more recently firearms have
only accounted for about 15 per cent of weapons used (ABS 2000a). The
decrease in the use of firearms to commit armed robbery means that the
focus should be redirected towards examining “other weapons”.

However, as this study has demonstrated, research examining the role of
weapons in armed robbery in Australia is very limited and restricted by the
type of data available. Data were simply not available to address such
questions as those posed by the Queensland Police Service (see page 24). In
addition, official statistics do not allow an in-depth examination of weapon
use and its relationship to target selection. Recognizing the increased need to
examine weapons other than firearms armed robbery, the Australian Bureau
of Statistics undertook an analysis that looked at expanding the existing
weapon use classification to include knife and syringe. The expanded
classification of weapon use has been operational since January 2001 (ABS
2000b). While this will allow the monitoring of trends in the use of these
weapons over time, in-depth research with multivariate analysis is still
required in order to unravel the complex reasons associated with increases
in the use of “other weapons” in the execution of armed robbery in
Australia, and to determine what is actually driving such changes in weapon
use. Answers to many of our questions will not be forthcoming unless the
data issues are first addressed.

I think the reasons for use of other weapons is pretty obvious though.

Fjold
07-23-2008, 1:34 PM
But nothing semi-auto, right?

No semi -autos and I think no pumps.

oaklander
07-23-2008, 1:37 PM
That report is actually more damning than the supposed email.



I think the reasons for use of other weapons is pretty obvious though.

Yes - knife crimes went way up. The point is that people will always find ways to hurt each other.

jerryg1776
07-23-2008, 9:06 PM
FWIW my uncle in Canberra said that a month before the turn in date, all large diameter pvc tubing sold out! :D

Hope they also sold lots of dessicant cans too.. gotta keep the rust away!

Adonlude
07-24-2008, 3:33 PM
Yes - knife crimes went way up. The point is that people will always find ways to hurt each other.

When you say this to someone who doesn't care about guns or carrying weapons and they reply "Well I'd rather have a knife pulled on me than a gun", how do you answer?

Yankee Clipper
07-24-2008, 3:52 PM
When you say this to someone who doesn't care about guns or carrying weapons and they reply "Well I'd rather have a knife pulled on me than a gun", how do you answer?

How about: “Do you know how to defend yourself if attacked with a knife? Have you been taught how to do that? On the Nightly News they don't show you people who have been attacked with a knife and survived (or those who haven’t)”

tonelar
07-25-2008, 1:08 AM
Antis are so much fun to talk with... they're like children. "If they make guns illegal all the bad popele will just stop killing."