Do I need my FFL to ship to another FFL? or can I just ship it to FFL?

[ty423]

Alright I found a website that says I can ship to a valid FFL dealer. I just want to double check before I send. I also need to know if I have to disclose what's in the package to the shipping company. I also remember something about shipping overnight. Does that apply to handguns only or any firearms? I plan on using UPS but if it's alright I'll use USPS. I will be shipping an assembled AR variant lower complete cali legal configuration. thanks.

[ty423]

Here is the website that seems to say I can just ship it long as it gets to a FFL dealer.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.asp?FAQID=1118&NoCount=1

[Vin496]

Yes you can ship to an FFL. You cannot use USPS, you will have to use FedEx or UPS. I believe their policy is that you will have to overnight it and will have to ship from a Hub, not a UPS store or a Kinkos.

[ty423]

Yes you can ship to an FFL. You cannot use USPS, you will have to use FedEx or UPS. I believe their policy is that you will have to overnight it and will have to ship from a Hub, not a UPS store or a Kinkos.

thanks for fast response...that gunbroker site I linked says I can't ship handguns via USPS but rifle and shotguns are ok. I'm shipping an AR lower complete so that should be considered a rifle right? or is USPS just not taking any firearms anymore? I live near a UPS hub but do I really have to send overnight? I thought it was just for handguns only need to be overnighted. Maybe I heard wrong.

[ty423]

Alright I'm shipping USPS.

US Mail: An unlicensed person can ship a rifle or shotgun by US Mail. Unlicensed persons cannot ship a handgun by US Mail. Postal regulations allow the Post Office to open your package for inspection. Ammunition cannot be shipped by US Mail. You can search the US Post Offer Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.

FedEx: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods.

UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition. UPS does not allow shipment of firearms FROM an unlicensed person (even to an FFL), unless the stated reason for the firearm shipment is for repair or modifications.

[hawk1]

Before you ship straight to the FFL you had better check to see if he accepts from private individuals. Some do, some don't. I know the regs say you can but the FFL has the final word. Also check but most that do accept want a copy of your drivers license included.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Before you ship straight to the FFL you had better check to see if he accepts from private individuals. Some do, some don't. I know the regs say you can but the FFL has the final word. Also check but most that do accept want a copy of your drivers license included.

Ship it to him anyways. If he won't accept it, then he will send it back. I personally would rather eat dirt than waste my time shipping back a firearm to someone when I didn't order it and I don't care about it because I have some stupid personal policy that is above what is required by the law.

[dfletcher]

Alright I found a website that says I can ship to a valid FFL dealer. I just want to double check before I send. I also need to know if I have to disclose what's in the package to the shipping company. I also remember something about shipping overnight. Does that apply to handguns only or any firearms? I plan on using UPS but if it's alright I'll use USPS. I will be shipping an assembled AR variant lower complete cali legal configuration. thanks.

When you say you found a website do you mean you found the website of the FFL to whom you are shipping and he (the FFL Dealer) has affirmed he will accept a firearm from a non - FFL dealer? Certainly it's legal but some FFL dealers won't do it as part of their business practice; others will but require the inclusion of certain ID such as CDL. Best to check with the receiving FFL Dealer, if you've not done so already.

Interesting that mailing a gun into CA from out of state & not using an FFL Dealer could be a bit of a chore, now with the CFLC it's seems like a desireable condition. I just set up a deal where the sender happily reported he's NOT an FFL Dealer.

[ty423]

I put the link...it was a link to the gunbroker.com site. I got the info there...it will be shipped within california.

[hawk1]

Ship it to him anyways. If he won't accept it, then he will send it back. I personally would rather eat dirt than waste my time shipping back a firearm to someone when I didn't order it and I don't care about it because I have some stupid personal policy that is above what is required by the law.

I don't suggest you do what Wes is advocating. :rolleyes:

The FFL may require you to pay the return shipping as well in order to get your firearm back.
It takes two minutes to make a call and ask. Show a little respect and ask.

[Amendment II]

FedEx: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods.

UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition. UPS does not allow shipment of firearms FROM an unlicensed person (even to an FFL), unless the stated reason for the firearm shipment is for repair or modifications.

This information that you quoted about FedEx and UPS shipping policies is a few years out of date.

FedEx will ship long guns via their FedExGround subsidiary, so Priority Overnight is no longer required for long guns. FedExGround can also take ammo shipments as ORM-D.

UPS will now accept firearms shipments between any two parties, as long as all Federal, State, and local laws are complied with.

[railroader]

Don't you need a copy of the receiving ffl's license before you ship the gun to him? I know when I ordered guns online the receiving ffl would send a copy of his license to the shipping ffl. Mark

[Amendment II]

Don't you need a copy of the receiving ffl's license before you ship the gun to him? I know when I ordered guns online the receiving ffl would send a copy of his license to the shipping ffl. Mark

FFL's are required to have a signed copy of the other FFL's license before they ship. But unlicensed people are not required to have a copy of the license. Unlicensed people can just check the online FFL ezcheck system that BATFE has set up.

[NSR500]

Does an unlicensed individual need to comply with CFLC?

[dfletcher]

Does an unlicensed individual need to comply with CFLC?


No.

[tenpercentfirearms]

The FFL may require you to pay the return shipping as well in order to get your firearm back.
It takes two minutes to make a call and ask. Show a little respect and ask.
I am assuming you are shipping a firearm to someone else who bought it so they can do a background check in their state of residence. If the FFL says they are shipping it back on your dime, tell them to kick rocks. How are they going to charge you when they don't have your CC info? Plus you don't need the firearm back, you probably sold it already.

Sorry I just don't have any patience for dealers who require customers to jump through extra hoops that are no way required by law. I say send it. If they say it has to go through an FFL, then you are royally screwed because then you are going to have to pay another FFL to ship it. That is BS if you ask me.

It is better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

If you are sending it out for repair or gun smithing and they want it to go through an FFL, then find another gun smith who isn't a freaking idiot.

[hawk1]

I am assuming you are shipping a firearm to someone else who bought it so they can do a background check in their state of residence. If the FFL says they are shipping it back on your dime, tell them to kick rocks. How are they going to charge you when they don't have your CC info? Plus you don't need the firearm back, you probably sold it already.

Are you going off the deep end Wes? This from the guy that says if you don't like the way you do business to go somewhere else? No, the FFL doesn't have a way to charge the sellers CC, but until the seller pays to ship it back the buyer will not get his purchase. Who wins in that?


Sorry I just don't have any patience for dealers who require customers to jump through extra hoops that are no way required by law. I say send it. If they say it has to go through an FFL, then you are royally screwed because then you are going to have to pay another FFL to ship it. That is BS if you ask me.
Royally screwed? Yes, if you had sent it without asking before hand.
But just think, all this "BS" can go away and never be dealt with had you made a 2 minute phone as I suggested in my first post.

[-hanko]

Yes you can ship to an FFL. You cannot use USPS, you will have to use FedEx or UPS.
:confused:

USPS will do long guns from a non-licensee, hand guns require a regular ffl.

-hanko

[Fjold]

I am assuming you are shipping a firearm to someone else who bought it so they can do a background check in their state of residence. If the FFL says they are shipping it back on your dime, tell them to kick rocks. How are they going to charge you when they don't have your CC info? Plus you don't need the firearm back, you probably sold it already.

Sorry I just don't have any patience for dealers who require customers to jump through extra hoops that are no way required by law. I say send it. If they say it has to go through an FFL, then you are royally screwed because then you are going to have to pay another FFL to ship it. That is BS if you ask me.

It is better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

If you are sending it out for repair or gun smithing and they want it to go through an FFL, then find another gun smith who isn't a freaking idiot.


I was so going to do that to you but I know the transfer cost would be $500 if I did.