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Frijolito1988
07-22-2008, 9:58 AM
So i got the urge and i got it bad, im almost done with my AR buildt but goddamit ive been earning for a FAL, but I dont know much about them and i know they go by diffrent names or i guess they are diffrent companys that make them ? i know these are all .308 and look like over grown mp5's but thats all the general info i know :(

FAL ?

CETME?

G3 ?

these all look the same to me, im a newb when it come to fal's but not so much when it comes to ar's since ive been reading up alot , but couldent find much info on it, i wikied FAL and got info on that, but dont know where the g3 or cetme comeinto play, also how good is the century arms cetme ? thanks for ur understanding and info guys!

NSR500
07-22-2008, 10:08 AM
Everything FAL: www.falfiles.com

The 2 Best FAL Manufacturers: www.dsarms.com ; www.entreprise.com

The FAL is Gas Piston Operated and can be assembled at home with a decent set of tools. You'll need a receiver wrench, however, and you should be good to go. The only other thing that may give you an issue is Headspacing, especially if you don't have the right Locking shoulder on hand.
If you choose to have it built by someone else, you can send to the following: NorCal: www.cgwgun.com ; SoCal www.entreprise.com

Frijolito1988
07-22-2008, 10:18 AM
awsome i live like 20 minutes from entreprise arms,

but say i dont wanna spend 1200,

how do the cetme century arms compare to the entreprise

what exactly is cetme ?

5hundo
07-22-2008, 10:28 AM
how do the cetme century arms compare to the entreprise

what exactly is cetme ?

Technically, that's a banned weapon...

There are, however, certain variants of L1A1s and R1A1a that are "legal", so long as you don't have any "evil" features...

...so, be careful what you buy!

I will also say that there have been a number of quality complaints about enterprise arms rifles. I've got one with a bad trigger group. It malfunctions every now and then.

I'm told if you switch out the FCG that it will solve that problem but I haven't done it yet. I'm not sure which replacement FCG is the best but it's been discussed on here before. I'm still waiting on the new MMG so that I can take it to the range. I can't deal with the thing without the grip. It's ugly and uncomfortable...

Frijolito1988
07-22-2008, 10:34 AM
ah yeah , i read somewhere that the CETME imported from spain or portugal is baned, well what would you guys recomment for a sub 1k fal variant ?

Toolbox X
07-22-2008, 10:36 AM
You should PM duenor. He works for Entreprise and could probably invite you over to visit Entreprise and school you better than anyone else.

Frijolito1988
07-22-2008, 10:45 AM
You should PM duenor. He works for Entreprise and could probably invite you over to visit Entreprise and school you better than anyone else.

yeah good idea i just sent matt a pm :D

also , ive heard of people using striper clips on their fals...why ?

are these like sks's and are illegal with detachable mags even if they are fixed with bullet butons ? or they just dont sell fal bullet butons or make

NSR500
07-22-2008, 10:47 AM
The CETME is the Spanish precursor to the HK91 /G3 Variants. The CETME is a totally different animal to the FAL. CETME's and HK9X /G3 Series are Delayed Roller Blowback operated.

For Reference:
FAL
http://www.fidelisfirearms.com/images/firearms/SA_556/SA%205%2056%20FAL%20with%20SUIT.jpg

CETME
http://www.machinegundealer.com/CETME%20001.jpg

HK91 / G3
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u236/ar15junky/DSC08014.jpg

NSR500
07-22-2008, 10:51 AM
yeah good idea i just sent matt a pm :D

also , ive heard of people using striper clips on their fals...why ?

are these like sks's and are illegal with detachable mags even if they are fixed with bullet butons ? or they just dont sell fal bullet butons or make

SemiAutomatic Centerfire Rifles with "Evil Features" are Illegal in California. While FAL BB's are available, they don't seem to be in widespread use because the FAL BHO is right next to the Magazine release.
Additionally, the FAL is easily loaded with a stripper clip unlike the AR15, Ak47, etc...

scotthmt
07-22-2008, 10:51 AM
O man. I think the fal bug has bitten me.

NSR500
07-22-2008, 10:55 AM
O man. I think the fal bug has bitten me.

Just in case the Bite has not set in yet...

http://www.dsarms.com/images/SA58OSW.gif

Frijolito1988
07-22-2008, 11:01 AM
ah yes i understand the whole evil features thing i just though it was liek the SKS which is baned by name with detachable magazine reguardless if no evil features or bullet buton, but man!!! im in love!!

and it is official, what i want is a CETME OR A HK91 VARIANT!!

the original fal isint doing it for me i mean its beautiful, but something about the handguard


how much do cetme kits go for and how much do receivers go for ?

NSR500
07-22-2008, 11:04 AM
At this point the PTR91 (HK Clone) is the best deal off the rack. CDNN has them at $899. I also saw a couple at the last TX show for under 1K. So that is one of the guns that is better to Buy than Build at this point.

Frijolito1988
07-22-2008, 11:07 AM
At this point the PTR91 (HK Clone) is the best deal off the rack. CDNN has them at $899. I also saw a couple at the last TX show for under 1K. So that is one of the guns that is better to Buy than Build at this point.

can i have a link to the cdnn for $899 ? i think this is something im buying with my xmas work bonus :rolleyes: lol

NSR500
07-22-2008, 11:15 AM
www.cdnninvestments.com
Download their catalog and then look at page 23

thedrickel
07-22-2008, 11:17 AM
Cheapest way to a FAL is to buy one off the Files, IMBEL on IMBELs go for <800 all day. Throw a BB on there and have it shipped to your FFL. Piece of cake. You don't need no stinkin warranties . . . anything that breaks on an all-IMBEL FAL is going to cost less to replace than shipping would be back to the "factory".

-hanko
07-22-2008, 11:57 AM
and it is official, what i want is a CETME OR A HK91 VARIANT!!

the original fal isint doing it for me i mean its beautiful, but something about the handguard
CETME is an excellent choice. FAL hand guards are terrible.:D

-hanko

ChrisXD45T
07-22-2008, 12:17 PM
I may be wrong but I don't think CDNN will ship firearms to CA.

NSR500
07-22-2008, 12:36 PM
They won't but you can use an Intermediary.

Frijolito1988
07-22-2008, 5:59 PM
well i went to entreprise arms today and check out their fal selection and it is NICE! , although I have a thing for a Cetme they are pricy and apperantly hard to find ?

where as i could probably build a FAL for 6-700 bucks,

can anyone direct me on where to get a cetme parts kit & receiver and compliant parts?

also ive seen some FAL'S that have a really short butstock it looks kinda like a plastic piece hanging out, anyone knwo what its called ?

67siia
07-23-2008, 10:36 PM
I like IMBEL Kalifornia legal too!

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/67siia/IMBEL/P1030036.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/67siia/IMBEL/P1030037.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/67siia/IMBEL/P1030040.jpg

dfletcher
07-23-2008, 10:48 PM
What kind & where'd you get the scope, please. Looks nice.

67siia
07-23-2008, 10:59 PM
it is a Trilux SUIT, have a look at... not the girl but, half way down the page

http://www.gunthings.com/falaccess.htm

also,

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/FreeAds/auction.cgi?action=ViewItem&ID=1214488113&Lang=English

http://www.amerisurp.net/scopes_trilux.htm

1919_4_ME
07-23-2008, 11:06 PM
How about a custom FAL Beltfed....:chris:


http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7954/falbeltfedmh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Frijolito1988
07-23-2008, 11:23 PM
Alright guys we cant forget the CETMES and H&K G3

Its official i think im obsessed w cetmes :) :)

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj297/frijolito1988/cetme10cf7.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj297/frijolito1988/400px-CETME_G3.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj297/frijolito1988/CETME.jpg

ChrisXD45T
07-24-2008, 12:01 AM
When shopping you might want to remember that CETME's will take HK91/G3 mags but the HK91/G3 wont take the CETME mags. There're plenty of mags for both versions, so finding mags for either wont be a problem. This is just something to keep in mind since you're most likely to end up with a clone of a H&K if you choose not to build; if that's the case then obviously you don't want to stock up on CETME mags. Since an actual Spanish built CETME is not really an option, you could locate a builder (I met a guy at the Monterey gun show, from Los Gatos I think, who has a manufacturer's license who had a receiver. I know he's built AR pistols for people on here and he might even be a Calgun member. Someone help me; he builds gun mounts for helicopters or something.) I would shy away from the Century Int. builds even though they are cheap. You could, however, find a U.S. built receiver and find a parts kit somewhere, but only some parts are interchangeable between the HK/G3 and the CETME.
Try here - http://www.robertrtg.com/cetmeinfo.html
http://ftfindustries.com/
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=39184
https://www.apexgunparts.com/index.php/cPath/23?osCsid=on93a69kbc9kdbpq2t1jh4ofd0

Frijolito1988
07-24-2008, 12:37 PM
So i just got off the phone with the DOJ, i forgot the name of the gentlemen i was speaking to ,but I wanted to clarify the legality of the Cetme that century arms sells, I told him that there is a baned "Cetme Sporter made in spain" and he aggreed, i then asked if I where to purchase a century arms Cetme sporter made in the USA if that would be legal, and he did not mention that is illegal BUT he did mention that is very close to the cetme made in spain that i might get introuble and may have the gun confiscated if stoped by a LEO. he suggested i speak to a attorney and have him investigate it and write it out and have a letter of attorney with me when ever i have tht rifle if i decide to get it, he did advice againts that and did not wanna give a straight answer as to if i should buy it or not, he said it is a very grey area and i might get in trouble...any imput from you guys ?

KrazyKevy
07-24-2008, 1:23 PM
Alright guys we cant forget the CETMES and H&K G3

Its official i think im obsessed w cetmes :) :)



So you are buying a rifle purely off looks?(which is the WRONG thing to do.) Thats like buying a car with out driving it first. Shoot both the FAL and the G3/Cetme FIRST and foremost. Then decide. Delayed blowback is a completely different animal and is something that a lot of people are not used to or dont understand until they shoot a rifle equipped with one. I hate it. Because of the delay, it can feel as if there are TWO recoils...or one very long recoil. I know some people like this design and love it, but a LOT do not. My friend bought a PTR91 and after 40 rounds he decided to sell it, all because he does not like the feel of delayed blowback. Yah it looks kick ***, but you cant judge a book by its cover.

-hanko
07-24-2008, 1:48 PM
;)So i just got off the phone with the DOJ, i forgot the name of the gentlemen i was speaking to ,but I wanted to clarify the legality of the Cetme that century arms sells, I told him that there is a baned "Cetme Sporter made in spain" and he aggreed, i then asked if I where to purchase a century arms Cetme sporter made in the USA if that would be legal, and he did not mention that is illegal BUT he did mention that is very close to the cetme made in spain that i might get introuble and may have the gun confiscated if stoped by a LEO. he suggested i speak to a attorney and have him investigate it and write it out and have a letter of attorney with me when ever i have tht rifle if i decide to get it, he did advice againts that and did not wanna give a straight answer as to if i should buy it or not, he said it is a very grey area and i might get in trouble...any imput from you guys ?
My input is that the law is black and white; not grey. The CAI gun is legal.

KrazyKevy is right...So you are buying a rifle purely off looks?(which is the WRONG thing to do.) Thats like buying a car with out driving it first. Shoot both the FAL and the G3/Cetme FIRST and foremost. Then decide. Delayed blowback is a completely different animal and is something that a lot of people are not used to or dont understand until they shoot a rifle equipped with one. I hate it. Because of the delay, it can feel as if there are TWO recoils...or one very long recoil. I know some people like this design and love it, but a LOT do not. My friend bought a PTR91 and after 40 rounds he decided to sell it, all because he does not like the feel of delayed blowback. Yah it looks kick ***, but you cant judge a book by its cover.

I'd definitely try both before buying, unless you can buy 'em both. The FAL has better ergo's and parts are generally cheaper, but not by a bunch. Recoil should feel softer with the FAL, but that's maybe not true with everybody.

READ-UP on both the CETME and the FAL and know what your buying before you put the money down. Buying a gun based on looks without a test drive is not a good idea.

Try paragraphs;)

-hanko

aplinker
07-24-2008, 2:34 PM
Sure, it's legal, but it could cost you $30,000 to prove it is in court. Gray doesn't refer to legal or not, it's about the clarity for people who enforce the law and their capability to apply it correctly. I wouldn't count on it when the first 5 words of the name are the same.

;)
My input is that the law is black and white; not grey. The CAI gun is legal.

KrazyKevy is right...So you are buying a rifle purely off looks?(which is the WRONG thing to do.) Thats like buying a car with out driving it first. Shoot both the FAL and the G3/Cetme FIRST and foremost. Then decide. Delayed blowback is a completely different animal and is something that a lot of people are not used to or dont understand until they shoot a rifle equipped with one. I hate it. Because of the delay, it can feel as if there are TWO recoils...or one very long recoil. I know some people like this design and love it, but a LOT do not. My friend bought a PTR91 and after 40 rounds he decided to sell it, all because he does not like the feel of delayed blowback. Yah it looks kick ***, but you cant judge a book by its cover.

I'd definitely try both before buying, unless you can buy 'em both. The FAL has better ergo's and parts are generally cheaper, but not by a bunch. Recoil should feel softer with the FAL, but that's maybe not true with everybody.

READ-UP on both the CETME and the FAL and know what your buying before you put the money down. Buying a gun based on looks without a test drive is not a good idea.

Try paragraphs;)

-hanko

5hundo
07-24-2008, 2:46 PM
Delayed blowback is a completely different animal and is something that a lot of people are not used to or dont understand until they shoot a rifle equipped with one. I hate it. Because of the delay, it can feel as if there are TWO recoils...or one very long recoil. I know some people like this design and love it, but a LOT do not.

I love the delayed blowback of the cetme (one of which, I own).

The G3 variants seem to recoil more upwards, while the cetme puts the recoil more into your shoulder. To me, this is better because you are able to re-acquire your target faster.

As was said, it's a personal preference but the two are VERY different. Fire both...

Frijolito1988
07-25-2008, 1:13 PM
Thanks for the insight guys, sadly nobody i know owns a cetme clone or a FAL, so theres pretty much no way i can try them out :(

also i see a CETME parts kit for salef or $135 shipped, exept the barrel, would that be a good price ?

to complete the kit i would need

922r compliant parts ( including barrel ? )

receiver ( what is the average price of receiver ? )

and somebody to build it ( i think entreprise charges $400 for cetmes and $125 for FALS )

also since CETMES SPORTERS are baned, and i get a receiver it will technecally be an off list cetme correct ?

Lon Moer
07-25-2008, 1:22 PM
Everything you need to know about CETME and G3 building, can be found at Military Firearm (http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23)

Although, FAls are easier to build, find parts and compliance parts for, and find 10rd magazines for. ;)

doughboy334
10-07-2008, 10:38 AM
anyone have a para style FN FAL that they could show off here?

Max-the-Silent
10-07-2008, 5:15 PM
In reading this thread and the reponses from the op, it looks like you are buying for looks rather than performance.

Nothing wrong with that, it's your dough.

Be aware that anything you can legally purchase now in CA is more of a tool rather than a collectible, and the limitations placed on the features of the rifle restrict its utility as a defensive tool.

One word of advice - I wouldn't buy a hammer from Century and have any faith that it would work once it was in my hands.

Seek out a reputable builder and have them build you a CETME if
that's your heart's desire. It will cost a bit more, but you'll be way ahead in dollars and frustration trying to get Century to make good on their product.