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lehn20
07-14-2008, 10:59 PM
DC to vote on gun bill prompted by court ruling By BRIAN WESTLEY, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jul 14, 7:19 PM ET



The District of Columbia Council planned to vote Tuesday on emergency legislation to allow handguns if they are used only for self-defense in the home and carry fewer than 12 rounds of ammunition.

The legislation announced Monday comes as officials scramble to comply with a U.S. Supreme Court ruling last month striking down the city's 32-year-old ban.

The proposal, which maintains some of the city's strict gun ownership rules and adds more regulations, was immediately criticized by gun rights advocates threatening more legal action.

The nation's capital would still require all legal firearms including handguns, rifles and shotguns to be kept in the home unloaded and disassembled, or equipped with trigger locks. There would be an exception for guns used against the "reasonably perceived threat of immediate harm."

The proposed legislation also maintains the city's unusual ban of machine guns, defined as weapons that shoot at least 12 rounds without reloading. That applies to most semiautomatic firearms.

"We have crafted what I believe to be a model for the nation in terms of complying with the Supreme Court's Second Amendment decision and at the same time protecting our citizens," interim Attorney General Peter Nickles said.

The National Rifle Association strongly disagreed.

"Clearly, D.C. is doing everything they can to ignore the Supreme Court ruling," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist. He said the organization would pursue legal or legislative action to thwart the city's efforts.

The legislation also would require a ballistics test to determine if a handgun is stolen or has been used in a crime. Police Chief Cathy Lanier will limit registration to one handgun per person for the first 90 days to make sure as many people are served as possible. And those who wish to register a handgun must pass written and vision tests.

Residents who already own handguns will be granted six months of amnesty to legally register their weapons, officials said.

The emergency legislation, which has strong support from the council, will remain in effect for 90 days. It adopts many of the regulations proposed earlier this month by D.C. Council member Phil Mendelson.

Mendelson, who is chairman of the committee on public safety and the judiciary, said the council would hold a hearing in September on permanent regulations.

D.C. officials anticipate more legal challenges as they try to maintain the strictest gun regulations possible under the law.

Critics were frustrated that the city plans to keep its ban on firearms capable of carrying 12 rounds or more. Alan Gura, the lawyer who successfully argued against D.C.'s handgun ban before the Supreme Court, has said such a restriction "almost certainly will be challenged."

The NRA's Cox also derided the trigger-lock requirement. "Unless a criminal is calling you before they break into your house, you're going to be left in the same position you were prior to the (Supreme Court) case," he said.

Because the district has no licensed gun shops, residents who wish to purchase handguns will initially have to travel to shops elsewhere, such as Maryland or Virginia. They would have to present the shop with a certified police form authorizing the dealer to ship the weapon to a federally licensed gun dealer in Washington, where the buyer would pick it up.

There is currently only one licensed firearms dealer in D.C. who can handle such a transaction, said Mike Campbell, a spokesman for the Washington field division of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"That's a lot to ask one person to do," Campbell said. "He's going to be inundated at the very beginning, I would imagine."

RomanDad
07-14-2008, 11:04 PM
The nation's capital would still require all legal firearms — including handguns, rifles and shotguns — to be kept in the home unloaded and disassembled, or equipped with trigger locks. There would be an exception for guns used against the "reasonably perceived threat of immediate harm."


I must admit, Ive only read Heller five times now... I guess I missed where the Court said it only applies to Psychics.

I had a law professor who was a bit on the theatrical side.... He would become very animated when somebody would say something so utterly stupid.... I can hear is voice now (screaming in a high pitched sort of sing-song)... "So.... Mr. Mendelson.... This is the MIND-READER And CARNEY EMPLOYEE EXCEPTION to Heller!?!?!? Oh.... Thats just wonderful!!!!!"

jacques
07-14-2008, 11:21 PM
There is currently only one licensed firearms dealer in D.C. who can handle such a transaction"

He is going to be real busy.

It would seem to me that DC is doing just about anything they can to act like they are complying, but are actually doing nothing. It looks as if there will be some lawsuits.

"We have crafted what I believe to be a model for the nation in terms of complying with the Supreme Court's Second Amendment decision and at the same time protecting our citizens," interim Attorney General Peter Nickles said.

Is this guy JOKING?:eek:

tiki
07-15-2008, 11:58 AM
1911 with a 7 round magazine. Problem solved. :)

GuyW
07-15-2008, 12:04 PM
1911 with a 7 round magazine. Problem solved. :)

No, the 1911 has magazines available that hold more than 12 rounds....

jacques
07-15-2008, 12:08 PM
No, the 1911 has magazines available that hold more than 12 rounds....

nOw they will have to ban magazines.

saber
07-15-2008, 1:26 PM
The current DC machine gun regulations are worse than a magazine ban. My understanding is that they treat any firearm as a machine gun if it can accept a magazine larger than 12 rounds. As such, since there are magainzes available for 1911 with 30 rounds, the 1911 is treated as a machine gun and therefore banned.

From my interpretation, pretty much all you can own are revolvers, shotguns, and some rifles.

GuyW
07-15-2008, 1:36 PM
From my interpretation, pretty much all you can own are revolvers, shotguns, and some rifles.

A few oddball semiauto handguns....the original Grendel (10 rds, no removable mag), and the broomhandle Mauser w/a fixed 10-rd mag, come to mind...

CHS
07-15-2008, 2:07 PM
Someone from the BATFE needs to visit DC and show these clowns what a machinegun actually is.

GenLee
07-15-2008, 2:23 PM
"We have crafted what I believe to be a model for the nation in terms of complying with the Supreme Court's Second Amendment decision and at the same time protecting our citizens," interim Attorney General Peter Nickles said.

FAIL
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Shane916
07-15-2008, 2:25 PM
The proposed legislation also maintains the city's unusual ban of machine guns, defined as weapons that shoot at least 12 rounds without reloading. That applies to most semiautomatic firearms.




LOL. So in essence these people can't go buy a 9mm Glock but they can go out and buy a Desert Eagle .50AE because those only hold 7 rounds!! :stupid:

Glock22Fan
07-15-2008, 2:42 PM
LOL. So in essence these people can't go buy a 9mm Glock but they can go out and buy a Desert Eagle .50AE because those only hold 7 rounds!! :stupid:


No, no, no. The Desert Eagle, and any other semi-auto with removable magazines, could conceivably have designed for it a magazine that sticks out the bottom and holds, say 20 rounds. (I haven't handled one lately, but I assume that this is the case). There doesn't actually have to be such a beast, it just has to be possible. Therefore it is illegal !!!!!

Now, if anybody in D.C. wants to make me a really good offer for my fixed 10 round magazine Grendel . . . . . It's only 0.380 ACP, foesn't feed too well except with Silvertips, but it isn't a D.C. Mchine Gun.

bohoki
07-15-2008, 4:37 PM
i hope they take that to the same judge that origionally said what the second amendment means

also if the 10 round ban stands here in california why not just drop it down to 1 round magazines

PonchoTA
07-15-2008, 5:44 PM
i hope they take that to the same judge that origionally said what the second amendment means

also if the 10 round ban stands here in california why not just drop it down to 1 round magazines
SShhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

Don't give them any MORE ideas! Sheesh! :TFH:

Solidmch
07-15-2008, 6:12 PM
Looks like DC is going to go bankrupt defending lawsuits. Must suck to always loose. They would not have this much misery if they would just do the right thing,:rolleyes:


DC to vote on gun bill prompted by court ruling By BRIAN WESTLEY, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jul 14, 7:19 PM ET



The District of Columbia Council planned to vote Tuesday on emergency legislation to allow handguns if they are used only for self-defense in the home and carry fewer than 12 rounds of ammunition.

The legislation announced Monday comes as officials scramble to comply with a U.S. Supreme Court ruling last month striking down the city's 32-year-old ban.

The proposal, which maintains some of the city's strict gun ownership rules and adds more regulations, was immediately criticized by gun rights advocates threatening more legal action.

The nation's capital would still require all legal firearms including handguns, rifles and shotguns to be kept in the home unloaded and disassembled, or equipped with trigger locks. There would be an exception for guns used against the "reasonably perceived threat of immediate harm."

The proposed legislation also maintains the city's unusual ban of machine guns, defined as weapons that shoot at least 12 rounds without reloading. That applies to most semiautomatic firearms.

"We have crafted what I believe to be a model for the nation in terms of complying with the Supreme Court's Second Amendment decision and at the same time protecting our citizens," interim Attorney General Peter Nickles said.

The National Rifle Association strongly disagreed.

"Clearly, D.C. is doing everything they can to ignore the Supreme Court ruling," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist. He said the organization would pursue legal or legislative action to thwart the city's efforts.

The legislation also would require a ballistics test to determine if a handgun is stolen or has been used in a crime. Police Chief Cathy Lanier will limit registration to one handgun per person for the first 90 days to make sure as many people are served as possible. And those who wish to register a handgun must pass written and vision tests.

Residents who already own handguns will be granted six months of amnesty to legally register their weapons, officials said.

The emergency legislation, which has strong support from the council, will remain in effect for 90 days. It adopts many of the regulations proposed earlier this month by D.C. Council member Phil Mendelson.

Mendelson, who is chairman of the committee on public safety and the judiciary, said the council would hold a hearing in September on permanent regulations.

D.C. officials anticipate more legal challenges as they try to maintain the strictest gun regulations possible under the law.

Critics were frustrated that the city plans to keep its ban on firearms capable of carrying 12 rounds or more. Alan Gura, the lawyer who successfully argued against D.C.'s handgun ban before the Supreme Court, has said such a restriction "almost certainly will be challenged."

The NRA's Cox also derided the trigger-lock requirement. "Unless a criminal is calling you before they break into your house, you're going to be left in the same position you were prior to the (Supreme Court) case," he said.

Because the district has no licensed gun shops, residents who wish to purchase handguns will initially have to travel to shops elsewhere, such as Maryland or Virginia. They would have to present the shop with a certified police form authorizing the dealer to ship the weapon to a federally licensed gun dealer in Washington, where the buyer would pick it up.

There is currently only one licensed firearms dealer in D.C. who can handle such a transaction, said Mike Campbell, a spokesman for the Washington field division of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"That's a lot to ask one person to do," Campbell said. "He's going to be inundated at the very beginning, I would imagine."

tyrist
07-15-2008, 7:33 PM
the District of Columbia just need to keep this up and eventually even our California Laws will be overturned because of a judgement against them.

Liberty1
07-15-2008, 8:46 PM
Someone from the BATFE needs to visit DC and show these clowns what a machinegun actually is.

Yes, it's clearly any simi-auto or double barreled shot gun that malfunctions and discharges two rounds with one trigger pull. :p

tombinghamthegreat
07-15-2008, 9:24 PM
the District of Columbia just need to keep this up and eventually even our California Laws will be overturned because of a judgement against them.

That is what i was thinking too. Funny the DC mayor keeps defeating himself.