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stockplayer
07-14-2008, 2:36 PM
On a rifle like a USC/UMP conversion...how would one keep the folding stock from folding. Could one drill and tap for a screw that would lock the stock in the open position? The screw would never be removed in California.

Or do we have to use a roll pin?

Josh3239
07-14-2008, 2:42 PM
Their is no permanence clause anywhere in California law or is it defined in the DOJ's definition of folding stocks.

Simply put, think of it like a magazine lock, if it works that is fine and it doesn't need to be permanent. The magazine locks on the market right now are little more than screws.

IMO if you can keep it from folding by force without actually breaking it you will be fine.

Corbin Dallas
07-14-2008, 3:00 PM
I believe folding stocks are allowed as long as the weapon meets the minimum length standard of 30".

bwiese
07-14-2008, 3:09 PM
Because of Rooney decision, CA rifle min lengths are measured with the stock *folded*, not open - differing from the Fed standard.

You could have a folding stock feature on a fixed-mag semiauto centerfire rifle - as long as when folded the min. overall length was still 30".

Since folding & telescoping/collapsible stocks are 'evil features' due to 12276.1, such a folding stock on a non-fixed-mag semiauto centerfire rifle (i.e., one using detachable magazines) would render it into an AW - which is "ungood", unless of course it were a registered AW.

Casey
07-14-2008, 5:06 PM
According to this law the minimum length is 26"
CA Firearms Laws PDF Page 5
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf

(Penal Code 12020(c)(2).)
A short-barreled rifle means a rifle having a barrel length of less than 16 inches or an overall length of less than 26 inches; any weapon made from a rifle which meets the barrel length or overall length criteria; any device which may be restored to fire a fixed cartridge and which meets the barrel length or overall length criteria; or any part or combination of parts designed and intended to convert a device into a short-barreled rifle or which would permit an individual to readily assemble a shortbarreled
rifle.

elSquid
07-14-2008, 5:44 PM
According to this law the minimum length is 26"
CA Firearms Laws PDF Page 5
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf

(Penal Code 12020(c)(2).)
A short-barreled rifle means a rifle having a barrel length of less than 16 inches or an overall length of less than 26 inches; any weapon made from a rifle which meets the barrel length or overall length criteria; any device which may be restored to fire a fixed cartridge and which meets the barrel length or overall length criteria; or any part or combination of parts designed and intended to convert a device into a short-barreled rifle or which would permit an individual to readily assemble a shortbarreled
rifle.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following: (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. (B) A thumbhole stock. (C) A folding or telescoping stock. (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher. (E) A flash suppressor. (F) A forward pistol grip. (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

-- Michael

Casey
07-14-2008, 5:51 PM
I see elsquid. So a centerfire semi auto has to be 30".

A rimfire rifle or shotgun must be a minimum of 26"

Fjold
07-14-2008, 6:12 PM
I see elsquid. So a centerfire semi auto has to be 30".

A rimfire rifle or shotgun must be a minimum of 26"

and centerfire single shot, lever action and bolt action rifles also go by the 26" rule.