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07-14-2008, 5:28 AM
Dude. With a population of 60 million thats an awful lot of folks being stabbed.


Knife crime claims 60 victims a day
By Ben Leach
Last Updated: 10:15AM BST 13/07/2008 | Comments 158 | Have Your Say
More than 20,000 serious knife crimes were committed last year, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.
Some knives recently taken during a step up in police stop and searches
Six people died in knife attacks in a 24-hour period last week

They show that almost 60 people are stabbed or mugged at knife-point every day.

A quarter-by-quarter breakdown suggests that the offending has accelerated over the course of the year, fuelling fears that the problem is getting worse.

Opposition politicians described the tally as "shocking" and last night demanded action from ministers.
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Six people died in knife attacks in a 24-hour period last week, leading to an unprecedented statement from Scotland Yard aimed at reassuring the public.

Among the victims was Melvin Bryan, an 18-year-old who became the 42nd teenager killed in Britain this year and the 20th in London.

Gordon Brown called Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, to Chequers yesterday, for urgent talks. The Prime Minister urged the Scotland Yard chief to make full use of new police powers to make pubs and clubs search customers for knives and guns.

On Tuesday, Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, will publish her Youth Crime Action Plan. It includes a proposal to make young offenders visit casualty wards to examine knife wounds in an attempt to shock them into mending their ways. Two days later, she will unveil the police figures on knife crime.

The Sunday Telegraph has obtained data from 33 of the 43 forces in England and Wales, covering more than four-fifths of the population. The figures show that 20,803 serious knife crimes were recorded in the year to March, or 56 per day.

Allowing for forces that did not provide figures, the nationwide total is expected to be about 25,000. If Scotland and Northern Ireland attacks were included, it would be even higher.

The count includes only murders, stabbings where blood is spilt, and knife-point muggings. If less-serious crimes such as threats or illegal possession were included, the figures would be much higher.

Worst-affected were big urban areas – London, Manchester, the West Midlands, West Yorkshire and Merseyside.

Until now, police have counted crimes by the offence – such as assault, robbery or burglary – rather than by the weapon used. Annual totals have included about 100,000 robberies, 20,000 serious woundings and 800 murders. Among the serious knife crimes counted in the new measures, about half are robberies; the other half are murders, attempted murders and woundings.

Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: “Most people will be shocked to find that knife crime has reached 20,000 cases a year. This illustrates the need to get police back on our streets by cutting the bureaucratic burden on them. There should be a presumption to imprison those caught with knives in excess of three inches in length without reasonable justification.”

The figures come as the parents of Jimmy Mizen, the 13th teenager to be killed in London this year, said in an interview with The Sunday Telegraph that they hoped the death of their son would become a catalyst to solve the problem of street violence.

Ms Smith’s plan will set out proposals for “knife referral projects” which will attempt to re-educate people convicted of carrying knives via hospital visits and meetings with victims and prison inmates. The £100 million package of measures, to be tried in eight areas, will also include “youth forums” and street-based youth workers to steer young people away from crime, and the extension of a scheme that removes children from the streets late at night. Councils will be urged to close under-age drinking dens and shops selling knives to children.

Young offenders handed community sentences will be told to turn up at inconvenient times, including Friday evenings and Saturdays, while parents could be made to attend court if their child is charged with an offence.

Ms Smith said: “I am absolutely shocked at the tragic and senseless loss of life we have seen recently. I want to reassure everyone that the Government is taking the issue of knife crime very seriously.”

But Harry Fletcher, the assistant general secretary of the National Association of Probation Officers, called the plan a “damp squib”.

07-14-2008, 6:53 AM

Corbin Dallas
07-14-2008, 6:56 AM

Ban the OP or Knives?

The UK already banned Guns, now the crimes are even worse. Should they ban Knives? What's next? Sticks? Gonna ban those too?

People set on causing violence will find a way, banning items just makes the law abiding citizen more vunerable.

07-14-2008, 7:00 AM
Ban everything. It obviously works...

07-14-2008, 7:03 AM
They should ban crimes.:cool:

07-14-2008, 7:06 AM
yep, those leaders are "just shocked"..they cant figure out why so many people are using knives to commit crimes in such a civilized country.
ah...great idea, "re-educate" them!!! that will help keep knives off the street>
have pub owners search their patrons! another wonderful idea!
that country is in serious denial, and its going to get worse--cam

07-14-2008, 7:10 AM
They'll be eating with chopsticks before too long.

07-14-2008, 7:12 AM
They should ban crimes.:cool:

LMAO, What that doesn't work?

07-14-2008, 7:21 AM
They reap what they sow. If they really want to reduce knife crime they need to give the guns back to the law abiding people!

07-14-2008, 7:53 AM
They'll be eating with chopsticks before too long.


Way too dangerous. Unlike assault weapons chopsticks apparently attack on their own.

Death By Chopstick (http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3891)
A Fuchu Prison inmate in his 50s has committed suicide by stabbing himself in the head with a chopstick, prison officials said over the weekend.

The man stabbed himself in the back of the head with the sharp end of a broken chopstick on the night of Feb. 19.

He received treatment at a hospital in the Tokyo suburb of Fuchu, but died Sunday morning in the Fuchu Prison infirmary. An autopsy will be carried out Monday at Fuchu Police Station.

Verdict imminent in boy's chopstick death lawsuit (http://www.hdrjapan.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Verdict-imminent-in-boys-chopstick-death-lawsuit.html&Itemid=67)
On July 10 1999, Shunzo fell while eating cotton candy, landing on the wooden chopstick around which the confectionary had been wound. He was rushed to the Kyorin University Hospital in the Tokyo suburb of Mitaka. The doctor who examined him simply dabbed Shunzo's head wound with an ointment and sent him home. Shunzo died the following morning. An autopsy revealed the chopstick remained embedded in his brain.

The doctor was charged and tried for professional negligence resulting in death. But in March 2006, the Tokyo District Court acquitted him, saying that it was extremely unlikely Shunzo could have been saved, though it did admit that the doctor had been negligent. Prosecutors have appealed the ruling.

07-14-2008, 8:20 AM
There have been two people stabbed and killed here in SB this month. A 15yr old on the 4th and someone this weekend.

I have not heard of anyone getting shot here lately, just stabbed.

07-14-2008, 8:24 AM
They've been selling titanium sporks at the outdoors stores....dangerous?

07-14-2008, 9:51 AM
ban humans... that way, no humans to commit any crimes...

07-14-2008, 10:37 AM
Edged weapons have always been more heavily used than firearms in inflicting injury/death (they are much cheaper). Edged weapons also inflict wounds much more severe than most firearms and can be made from almost anything. Any piece of plastic/wood/metal can be made into a weapon, so a ban really would do almost nothing. The government need to acknowledge they cannot defend citizens at all times and give them back the right to defend themselves.

07-14-2008, 10:58 AM
Ban everything. It obviously works...

You should run for president.

Nose Nuggets
07-14-2008, 11:06 AM
they are going to spend a HUNDRED MILLION QUID sending kids to hospitals to see stab wounds, closing stores that sell knives, and youth group projects? are these people completely bat**** crazy? you think people stab other people because they DONT know what it does? it boggles my mind how completely out of touch with reality these politicians are. common sense is not common.

07-14-2008, 11:20 AM
This is the same country that's banned or is banning various stick-like instruments because they might be used in an assault. Like CA firearms transport/loaded/conceal laws, you have to qualify under an "exception", like you're an old man or are crippled and therefore need a walking cane.


07-14-2008, 2:58 PM
About ten years ago, a disgruntled UK student made a flame thrower by filling a fire extinguisher with gasoline under pressure. He fired it off in a school hall crowded with students taking exams. I forget how many were killed/injured.


07-14-2008, 7:34 PM
They should ban crimes.:cool:

That would definitely keep the criminals from commiting them, I'm with you, ban crimes now!

07-14-2008, 7:53 PM
They might have to create an " Assault Weapon Knife " ban. Then eventually the people will find OLK ( Off List Knives ) My question is where will the BB go?

07-14-2008, 7:59 PM
They might have to create an " Assault Weapon Knife " ban. Then eventually the people will find OLK ( Off List Knives ) My question is where will the BB go?

Can't open it without the use of a tool

07-14-2008, 9:02 PM
I think all knives sold should include unproven technology that imprints the serial number of the knife on the victim when they are stabbed. Maybe they can emboss it on the hilt.

Seriously though I think we should flood the Brady folks and VPC guys with these stories. Obviously they view England with envy and see it as some Utopian gun free society that they aspire to create. England and Japan both have severe restrictions on any firearms yet have seen increases in stabbings and use of vehicles as weapons against crowds of people. As the world economy gets worse I think we will se more violence of this type regardless of what laws are in place.

07-14-2008, 9:30 PM
the police cant be everywhere at all times, I certainly don't depend on them to save my life, anyone who thinks otherwise is a damn fool.

07-14-2008, 9:51 PM
the police cant be everywhere at all times, I certainly don't depend on them to save my life, anyone who thinks otherwise is a damn fool.

The courts also ruled it is not their job to protect us.

07-15-2008, 10:31 AM
I wonder just how much of this it will take to reverse their gun ban and all the insidious leftism brought upon them by the Fabians. The sissification of England can only last so long--they were for centuries the toughest people on Earth; they cannot stay asleep forever, I hope.

07-15-2008, 10:35 AM
Iwonder how much hammer crime goes unreported not to mention shovel crime?

07-15-2008, 11:43 AM
certain knives are already banned (swords, survival knives, etc.) i'm too lazy to look up cites right now. i'm sure google will bring it up.

they should ban hands.

07-15-2008, 12:09 PM
They should just ban bans.

07-15-2008, 3:01 PM

Way too dangerous. Unlike assault weapons chopsticks apparently attack on their own.

Death By Chopstick (http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3891)

Verdict imminent in boy's chopstick death lawsuit (http://www.hdrjapan.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Verdict-imminent-in-boys-chopstick-death-lawsuit.html&Itemid=67)

Dude, I dunno about you but I say committing suicide by stabbing yourself with a chopstick is pretty damn manly.

07-15-2008, 3:12 PM

Posted by mike from tucson on July 14, 2008 08:03 AM

When knives are outlawed, only outlaws will eat steak!