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pacrimguru
04-29-2009, 7:12 PM
i haven't had a chance to try it out yet. i'm keeping my longer spike's tube for the time being just in case.

USMCALLEN
04-29-2009, 7:18 PM
That pistol is total sweetness, 69Mach1. Here's a link of mine in action. My friend giving it a go.

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Is that Mike shooting that pistol?

SteveH
04-30-2009, 2:19 PM
Nice pistols guys.

gvazquez
04-30-2009, 10:11 PM
Looks like I can finally play too! :43:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol013.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol015.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol018.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol021.jpg
family pic
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol023.jpg

Arteel
04-30-2009, 10:23 PM
Anyone have any input in getting a 10 1/2" over a 7 1/2" upper and vice-versa?

IMC87
04-30-2009, 10:30 PM
a 10 1/2" is my next buy LOL, but first my rifle lower needs an upper before that...

But seriously though, so far my 7.5 build has about 300 rnds so far with NO failures of any kind. But i have heard that the 10.5 is more reliable O.o

thmpr
04-30-2009, 10:30 PM
Check out the new Spike's Tactical 10.5" Gas piston upper...

Arteel
04-30-2009, 11:01 PM
Can't find anything on it. Have any links?

Check out the new Spike's Tactical 10.5" Gas piston upper...

visualnewbie
04-30-2009, 11:45 PM
updated pic of the 'ole pistola... i switched from the spikes tactical buffer tube to the shorter gunsmoke one.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk62/pacrimguru/AR-15%20Pistol/P1130598.jpg

Nice! That pistol really makes me happy in the pants! I got to get me one of these. Now I got to find someone in San Diego to do it... good job!

gosparx
05-01-2009, 8:17 AM
Looks like I can finally play too! :43:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol013.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol015.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol018.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol021.jpg
family pic
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol023.jpg

Wicked pistol! I'm just curious if 'someone' might consider the buffer-tube a 'stock' because it has an actual check rest mounted on it? If so that would be bad in a lot of ways. But then again, I might just be being paranoid (this state makes you that way)

gvazquez
05-01-2009, 9:13 AM
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The anatomy of a gunstock. 1) butt, 2) forend, 3) comb, 4) heel, 5) toe, 6) grip, 7) thumbhole

A stock, also known as a buttstock or shoulder stock, is a part of a rifle or other firearm, which the barrel and firing mechanism are attached to, that is held against one's shoulder when firing the gun. Stocks are also found on crossbows though a crossbow stock is more properly referred to as a tiller.[1]. The stock provides a means for the shooter to firmly support the device and easily aim it. The stock also transmits recoil into the shooter's body.
there is no way a cheekrest can be fired from the shoulder... so by that definition NO.
Wicked pistol! I'm just curious if 'someone' might consider the buffer-tube a 'stock' because it has an actual check rest mounted on it? If so that would be bad in a lot of ways. But then again, I might just be being paranoid (this state makes you that way)

gosparx
05-01-2009, 10:11 AM
there is no way a cheekrest can be fired from the shoulder... so by that definition NO.

Cool! Nice job on the whole gun and the explanation! (Just be prepared with that explanation to any overly zealous, uninformed range master or LEO!)

till44
05-02-2009, 7:13 AM
Looks like I can finally play too! :43:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol013.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol015.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol018.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol021.jpg
family pic
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol023.jpg

The VLTOR rail and Noveske comp look great on there. Nice pistol, how does it shoot?

thmpr
05-02-2009, 8:50 AM
If the saddle is legal...that would be the best way to go!

FelixP
05-03-2009, 1:05 PM
Hey, I'm moving to CA from out of state. Can I buy a semi-auto AR pistol before I move and bring it in, as long as I have a bullet button and a 10 round mag?

ProlificARProspect
05-03-2009, 5:12 PM
Yes you can, you just have to notify DOJ and pay $19.00 fee.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991.php
Hey, I'm moving to CA from out of state. Can I buy a semi-auto AR pistol before I move and bring it in, as long as I have a bullet button and a 10 round mag?

FelixP
05-03-2009, 5:14 PM
Yes you can, you just have to notify DOJ and pay $19.00 fee.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991.php

Hooray! Thanks for the help!

Going to start building before I move... :43:

xLusi0n
05-03-2009, 5:19 PM
there is no way a cheekrest can be fired from the shoulder... so by that definition NO.

Maybe if the DOJ or ATF got a midget :D

FelixP
05-05-2009, 5:30 AM
Maybe if the DOJ or ATF got a midget :D

Hey, midgets are people too... if it's an AW for them, it's an AW for everyone :rolleyes:

veterosa
05-09-2009, 12:40 PM
Yes you can, you just have to notify DOJ and pay $19.00 fee.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991.php

Has anyone on the board actually done this registered the single shot to a 10 rounder? How long does it take before DOJ sends the actual paperwork. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

blkrifle223
05-09-2009, 4:56 PM
here is my spikes pistol...

http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv154/blkrifle223/DSCN2551-1.jpg
http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv154/blkrifle223/RSCN2561-1.jpg
http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv154/blkrifle223/DSCN2558.jpg

COBRA MASTER
05-10-2009, 6:10 PM
is that a carbine length vltor system. where can i find one priced right. For my last 2 AR PISTOL builds, before i move onto ak pistols, i was thinking of doing a vltor rail with flash pig. and a pri tube with a flash pig. Both in 9mm. Not sure if i want the rail length to be carbine or midlength. ANY SUGGESTIONS?


The VLTOR rail and Noveske comp look great on there. Nice pistol, how does it shoot?

COBRA MASTER
05-10-2009, 6:12 PM
bump for a creative ***** ar pistol build

Looks like I can finally play too! :43:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol013.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol015.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol018.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol021.jpg
family pic
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol023.jpg

HkUSP45
05-10-2009, 7:35 PM
Here's my custom built ar pistol upper.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/tw0leftskis/IMG_1826-1.jpg
Parts:
Henderson Defense upper receiver
KX3
MI carbine length FF
DPMS 7.5" barrel
daniel defense lo pro gas block
RRA BCG/CH, pistol buffer tube, 2 stage LPK
Mega pistol lower
LMT iron sights

Had a chance to shoot it today at an indoor range. But it double fed on the 5th round. Could this be the carbine buffer and spring, too light? Would an H2 buffer be more reliable? I'm using a magpul 10/20, brand new mag. Only had a chance to fire 8 rounds before the RM asked if i was certified to shoot these rifle rounds. I was at an indoor range. It cost $20 to have a rifle safety card. And its good for 2 years.

COBRA MASTER
05-10-2009, 9:04 PM
indoor range that allows 223?? Where?

I always have to swap out the bolt to 22lr or 9mm. They won't allow 223 at any indoor ranges in L A

djleisure
05-10-2009, 10:51 PM
Yep, they allow .223 at LAX indoor range, it's located, well, over by LAX... you have to use/buy their frangible ammo, but you can shoot .223 there. I know, I have.

One Shot, One Dropped
05-10-2009, 10:55 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol015.jpg


Where is the spring in that PMAG?!?!

COBRA MASTER
05-10-2009, 10:58 PM
The spring was taken apart its a parts kit not a functioning mag.
Lax hmmm for when I'm done chilling at the beach with the honeys, go blast over there, I'll have to look into that bro, I bet there ammo is a ripp off though.

HkUSP45
05-10-2009, 11:04 PM
pm inbound

indoor range that allows 223?? Where?

I always have to swap out the bolt to 22lr or 9mm. They won't allow 223 at any indoor ranges in L A

djleisure
05-10-2009, 11:07 PM
Yeah, it's not somewhere you want to go blast off a couple hundred rounds, but it's an okay spot to take someone that has never shot an AR before. I even took my Saiga-12 there and they didn't have a problem with it (they also allow shotguns with low-recoil buckshot.) I'm not sure exactly what the prices are (I've actually never checked the break-down on the bill) but it really didn't seem outrageous. Give it a shot - here's their website (http://www.laxrange.com/)!

HkUSP45
05-10-2009, 11:12 PM
its a pinned single shot mag?

Where is the spring in that PMAG?!?!

freakshow10mm
05-11-2009, 5:13 AM
M16 machine pistol with YHM suppressor.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/NFA%20Stuff/P5080185.jpg

AJAX22
05-11-2009, 6:26 AM
M16 machine pistol with YHM suppressor.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/NFA%20Stuff/P5080185.jpg

You suck and we hate you ;)

you convert the lower yourself? or is it factory?

freakshow10mm
05-11-2009, 8:03 AM
You suck and we hate you ;)

you convert the lower yourself? or is it factory?
Yes, I converted the lower to a registered receiver with full auto sear. It's on a Form 2 here in Michigan.

I'll make it to CA one day and we can go waste some ammo for a good cause.:thumbsup:

COBRA MASTER
05-11-2009, 8:28 PM
freakshow can u post more pics of your pistols??

You suck and we hate you ;)

you convert the lower yourself? or is it factory?

freakshow10mm
05-17-2009, 3:29 PM
Here's a few more I built. I have a .50 Beuwolf pistol in progress for a California client. I'll post pics of that when I'm done.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Guns/PC040059.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Guns/PC030053.jpg

Gio
05-19-2009, 12:24 PM
Can I join in too? Here is my newly acquired 80% Receiver with mis-matched Magpul parts. I am building it in 9mm first I think, if not I will go for a .223 upper instead. Just need to finish milling it as soon as I can get someone to show me what to do :D

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/eastbaysti/IMG_2127.jpg

-Gio

gvazquez
05-19-2009, 12:27 PM
Where is the spring in that PMAG?!?!

umm... translucent? LOL.. j/k, it's empty, as it is not built(kit form)

Gio
05-21-2009, 4:38 PM
umm... translucent? LOL.. j/k, it's empty, as it is not built(kit form)

That's what I was thinking since it had no internals in yet. Just used it as a prop :D

-Gio

Q
05-30-2009, 5:27 PM
Same pistol now a 9mm. :)
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/9mm.jpg

badicedog
06-03-2009, 7:00 PM
Here's my contribution...PWS Diablo 7 inch upper(Krieger 1/8 barrel, Youngs Machining BCG), HK 416 Irons, Mega Pistol lower, Custom trigger job by Bill Springfield, Extra power spring by Wolf, Tungsten buffer, Magpul ASAP, Magpul MIAD grip, Insight Technologies M6X ( military version ), Magpul XTM rail covers, Bushnell Holosight (only one that is able to Co witness with HK BUIS)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/mannysden/IMG_3270.jpg

Vinz
06-03-2009, 8:57 PM
Here's my contribution...PWS Diablo 7 inch upper(Krieger 1/8 barrel, Youngs Machining BCG), HK 416 Irons, Mega Pistol lower, Custom trigger job by Bill Springfield, Extra power spring by Wolf, Tungsten buffer, Magpul ASAP, Magpul MIAD grip, Insight Technologies M6X ( military version ), Magpul XTM rail covers, Bushnell Holosight (only one that is able to Co witness with HK BUIS)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/mannysden/IMG_3270.jpg

Thanks for the list. Great looking pistola. great info the co-witness.


What buffer tube is that? RRA with a foam cover?


vinz

tacticalcity
06-12-2009, 5:22 PM
These Diablo Uppers are really nice. I just started carrying them. The Pistol Muzzel Device does a great job dealing with the excess flash you get with a pistol, and they are Piston Uppers rather than Gas so they are very reliable. The stainless 1:8 twist barrels can handle match grade ammo...all very high-end! A bit pricy, but the specs are amazing!

Here's my contribution...PWS Diablo 7 inch upper(Krieger 1/8 barrel, Youngs Machining BCG), HK 416 Irons, Mega Pistol lower, Custom trigger job by Bill Springfield, Extra power spring by Wolf, Tungsten buffer, Magpul ASAP, Magpul MIAD grip, Insight Technologies M6X ( military version ), Magpul XTM rail covers, Bushnell Holosight (only one that is able to Co witness with HK BUIS)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/mannysden/IMG_3270.jpg

bmuoio
07-15-2009, 6:06 PM
Where is the spring in that PMAG?!?!

Hey Germ

bmuoio
07-15-2009, 6:07 PM
Where is the spring in that PMAG?!?!

Yo GERM! My next build will have to be a pistol!!

Social Casualty
07-15-2009, 8:25 PM
AR15 Pistol .22 conversion buttcaps just about finished if anyone is interested.

Caps tighten via 1/2 inch hex from inside, anodized in Black once completed

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2473/3724936157_7979a2b741.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/3724932295_9846703628.jpg

IMC87
07-15-2009, 8:27 PM
i'm interested in taking one, darn spikes tactical takes too long to get more in stock

213sleeper
07-15-2009, 9:19 PM
Same pistol now a 9mm. :)
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/9mm.jpg

What magazine is that?

ke6guj
07-15-2009, 9:24 PM
It looks like a SLED (http://www.dctechs.com/obspage.htm) to me.

titus7
07-26-2009, 2:39 PM
Hey quick question... If I own an AR pistol can I also own a couple of other complete pistol Uppers for it as well??? Or will I be crossing the boundaries because I also own an AR?? Not sure if the question came out right but....anyone?

Hunter4life1990
07-26-2009, 9:15 PM
IIRC, constuctive possesion only applies if you own the pistol uppers and a regular ar without owning an ar pistol .if you own a pistol then you can have spare parts for it and your standard ar.

titus7
07-26-2009, 9:32 PM
Ah K thanks Hunter.

Hunter4life1990
07-27-2009, 2:16 AM
glad to help :thumbsup:

tacticalcity
07-27-2009, 12:45 PM
My CMMG 9mm Pistol Upper came in today. CMMG is building this stuff for us very quickly. I ordered it only 1 week before it showed up. Amazing given the AR craziness these days. If anybody wants one like it, I have these uppers and the conversion blocks for sale on my website along with a 16 inch 9mm upper that has the same turn around time.

UPDATED PICTURE W/ REVISED PARTS

http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr237/hit2hurt/9mm_AR_Pistol_2.jpg

- CMMG 7.3" 9mm Upper w/ A2 Hider
- Red River Tactical Pistol Lower
- C-Products Top Drop-In 9mm Magwell Conversion Block
- YHM (I think) Pistol Buffer Kit
- Hogue Rubberized Grip (of all the grips out there these fit my hand the best)
- KNC Anti-Rotation Pins
- Chip McCormick Match Trigger
- Midwest Industries Carbine Length 4-Rail Handguards
- Magpul MBUS Flip-Up Sights Front and Rear (tried Midwest Industries first but was surprised to find I actually like Magpuls polymer sights better for this build. Mostly because they are so light weight but also because they really work well when you're face is this close to the rear sight.)
- Magpul Enhanced Aluminum Trigger Guard
- Magpul Low Profile Ladder Rail Covers
- Ambi Safety
- Prince50 Bullet Button
- C-Products 32 Round Magazine that I blocked off and is now a 10 round magazine.

Thanks for all the information on how to do this. If not for this thread it would never have occured to me to build an AR pistol, or even that I could.

technique
07-27-2009, 1:46 PM
Much cheaper too since the CMMG Upper uses a standard trigger pack and not a special more expensive 9mm trigger like most of them do.

You can ramp any 9mm bolt and use the standard trigger....Looking forward to seeing pics.

tacticalcity
07-31-2009, 9:17 AM
I am not sure what would be involved with "ramping up" a bolt and carrier. But I am pretty sure it's a lot easier just to get an upper that comes with a bolt and carrier that can use the standard trigger without any work being needed. The bolt and carrier are such critical parts. When stuff goes wrong with a rifle, it usually involves them, so I am not sure I would want to mess with them. I would much rather just buy the correct one in the first place. Swapping our gas blocks, handguards, stocks, sights, flash hiders, and yes even a barrel don't scare me. Messing with a bolt and carrier beyond breaking it down and cleaning it does. Not only are they not cheap, but most the safety issues pretty much revolve around them as well.

technique
07-31-2009, 10:07 AM
Ramped 9mm BC....now works with match triggers, really not much to it.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/9mm002.jpg

wilson_wwsc
07-31-2009, 10:22 AM
Yep, they allow .223 at LAX indoor range, it's located, well, over by LAX... you have to use/buy their frangible ammo, but you can shoot .223 there. I know, I have.

Drive down to Irvine and go to On Target. Bring your own cheap 223. You do need a rifle permit though (20bux).

tacticalcity
07-31-2009, 2:08 PM
Never heard of a "rifle permit". Is that a range thing? They make you qualify to know you're safe? I would not have a problem with a range running you through some safety checks. I've seen some real idiots on a range before. But I have never heard of them doing so. More should.

ke6guj
07-31-2009, 2:13 PM
Yah, its a range thing. They are an indoor range that allows for rifle calibers to be shot there, but they want to make sure you're competent.

On-Target has a standard policy (as do most ranges) of allowing all pistol calibers
and rifles in pistol calibers. We also have the ballistic backstop and therefore allow
centerfire rifles up to .458 magnum to be shot here. We require that a centerfire
rifle caliber shooter attend one of our classes (over 450 so far) for additional
safety instruction. We hold those classes each week on Sunday morning at 10 AM
and the cost is $20 with a “Rifle” permit issued to each shooter. Without this
permit one cannot shoot them here. We also try to work with shooters that cannot
do the Sunday classes and will hold classes at other scheduled times – call for an
appointment.http://www.ontargetrange.com/

tacticalcity
07-31-2009, 2:16 PM
Now if they let you take a test to see if they will let you work with your handguns from the holster rather than the bench...their stock just went up 100%. I'm a Front Sight guy, but I'm rusty as hell because I can't practice the right way here. So when I go back their for more training I spent the first few days getting back upto speed, and ironing out the bad habbits. Really frustrating. By the time I leave I am bad *** again...but that only lasts for a few weeks then I get rusty. Getting yelled at for firing a controlled pair followed by a very brief pause (to see if if more force is needed in real life instead of it being muscle memory) and then a head shot like I was trained also gets annoying. They want you firing one shot, long pause, another shot...that kind of training will get you killed if it becomes muscle memory and you do it when your life is on the line. You have to train the way you would do it if your life was on the line.

But all of this is completely off the original topic...so I will stop ranting now!!!

DirtRacer151
07-31-2009, 2:47 PM
SunDevil Billet upper and lower
7.5in DPMS barrel
POF P4X rail
EoTech
Miad/Pmag
YHM sights and muzzle brake
Hope you like it :43:
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo36/dirtracer151/CIMG0293.jpg

Ducman
07-31-2009, 10:35 PM
SunDevil Billet upper and lower
7.5in DPMS barrel
POF P4X rail
EoTech
Miad/Pmag
YHM sights and muzzle brake
Hope you like it :43:
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo36/dirtracer151/CIMG0293.jpg

Nice Pistol.;)

ETA: Dirtracer, where do you shoot, maybe I can tag along sometime and try out your eotech? I'm undecided if I'll get an Aimpoint T1 or eotech.

DirtRacer151
07-31-2009, 10:46 PM
Nice Pistol.;)

ETA: Dirtracer, where do you shoot, maybe I can tag along sometime and try out your eotech? I'm undecided if I'll get an Aimpoint T1 or eotech.

I usually shoot at Inland F&G or out to barstow. I don't take the pistol out much though because it draws to much attention at the ranges. I'd be happy to meet up and do some shootin!! What about you?

DirtRacer151
07-31-2009, 10:48 PM
oh and BTW... get the aimpoint!!;)

Ducman
07-31-2009, 10:53 PM
I usually shoot at Inland F&G or out to barstow. I don't take the pistol out much though because it draws to much attention at the ranges. I'd be happy to meet up and do some shootin!! What about you?

That's where I shoot Inland fish and game and actually a member, unfortunately, they close down.:( been to lytle creek a few times, too many gang banger style shooters, I guess don't have any choice now.

supermario
08-04-2009, 6:58 PM
That's where I shoot Inland fish and game and actually a member, unfortunately, they close down.:( been to lytle creek a few times, too many gang banger style shooters, I guess don't have any choice now.

Try out burro canyon shooting range in Azusa and rent a private range. I take my Diablo and evil rifles there all the time and they are pretty cool. Just no magnetic ammo (wolf).

iwn730
08-04-2009, 7:03 PM
I got a standard GI ar 15

tomd1584
08-04-2009, 7:12 PM
I got a standard GI ar 15

wrong thread dude.

Safonator
08-08-2009, 11:38 PM
Hello Everyone,

I completed testing of our 10.5" and 11.5" Gas Piston Uppers that can be used for AR Pistols.

For those of you who have been waiting, we plan on releasing 2 models this next week.

Thanks,
Chris

Will you be releasing a 6.8spc or 6.5G model?
Thanks

fonionrings
08-10-2009, 5:59 PM
Finally picked it up today!

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww170/fonionrings/IMG_1909.jpg

After a 5 minute makeover:

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww170/fonionrings/IMG_1920.jpg

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww170/fonionrings/IMG_1926.jpg

POF 9.25" Upper
Anvil Arms Lower
Eotech 512
Magpul yadda-yadda

DirtRacer151
08-10-2009, 6:10 PM
You have good taste..looks almost just like mine posted on bottom on the next page back! I like the FDE but im not sure im digging the CAA cheek riser deal. Kinda looks out of place but i know a lot of guys like them for their pistol builds

tacticalcity
08-10-2009, 8:19 PM
UPDATED PICTURE W/ REVISED PARTS


http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr237/hit2hurt/9mm_AR_Pistol_2.jpg

- CMMG 7.3" 9mm Upper w/ A2 Hider
- Red River Tactical Pistol Lower
- C-Products Top Drop-In 9mm Magwell Conversion Block
- YHM (I think) Pistol Buffer Kit
- Hogue Rubberized Grip (of all the grips out there these fit my hand the best)
- KNC Anti-Rotation Pins
- Chip McCormick Match Trigger
- Midwest Industries Carbine Length 4-Rail Handguards
- Magpul MBUS Flip-Up Sights Front and Rear (tried Midwest Industries first but was surprised to find I actually like Magpuls polymer sights better for this build. Mostly because they are so light weight but also because they really work well when you're face is this close to the rear sight.)
- Magpul Enhanced Aluminum Trigger Guard
- Magpul Low Profile Ladder Rail Covers
- Ambi Safety
- Prince50 Bullet Button
- C-Products 32 Round Magazine that I blocked off and is now a 10 round magazine.

Thanks for all the information on how to do this. If not for this thread it would never have occured to me to build an AR pistol, or even that I could.

technique
08-10-2009, 9:01 PM
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/ZARpistolFDE003.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/ZARpistolFDE001.jpg

technique
08-10-2009, 9:51 PM
UPDATED PICTURE W/ REVISED PARTS

Tacticalcity....

Excuse me sir....but I would like to point out that your KNS pins are on incorrectly. You have a 9mm build there correct? Those pins are designed for 9mm ARs and also help on FA ARs.

So the ones with the screws go into the trigger side. You will notice that in that particular pin there are two holes...those are called the trigger pin lubrication holes. You can guess by the name what they are for.

Nice build by the way..:):) Not trying to be a dick either...just some info.


http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr237/hit2hurt/9mm_AR_Pistol_2.jpg

tacticalcity
08-11-2009, 10:35 AM
Ok...thanks. I reversed them (just have not updated the picture). I am not sure why it makes a difference, as it functions perfectly, but it will only take a few seconds to do so I will take your word for it. Better to be safe than sorry. I've used the same pins on 10 different rifles that I have built, and the instruction only stuck around for the first one. So it's probably that there was a note on the instructions telling me that and over the years it just slipped my mind. The pins still look new despite having been on so many different builds.

FYI, the pins are standard AR Pins as CMMG Uppers use standard AR triggers. In this case I am using a Chip McCormick National Match Trigger. They are not a special 9mm version if that makes any difference. This upper uses a standard AR fire control group.

But since it takes only a few seconds to reverse them, I figure what the hell...can't hurt.

UPDATE: Swapped out the Grip for the MIAD. The Hougue feels better, but I like keeping the FreeLock tool in the grip.

LesGrossman41510
09-03-2009, 7:15 PM
damn technique that is a SICK pistol, love the inverted color scheme.

if your ever selling it hit me up!

till44
09-04-2009, 2:25 PM
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/ZARpistolFDE003.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/ZARpistolFDE001.jpg

Looks just like mine but with the colors swapped.(Which reminds me I need new pics.) Great looking pistol.

tacticalcity
09-06-2009, 12:59 AM
Made some recent changes...

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh183/tacticalcity/IMG_0499.jpg

Josh3239
09-06-2009, 11:26 AM
Wow TacticalCity, that is really nice. That is pretty much exactly the way I wanted to build mine.

Jeffu
09-06-2009, 11:36 AM
Made some recent changes...

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh183/tacticalcity/IMG_0499.jpg

that looks sooo good

tacticalcity
09-06-2009, 2:46 PM
These are a lot of fun to shoot. The lack of stock is not really a problem with the pad and 9mm. You just rest your cheek on the pad and aim normally. Not sure how a 223 feels, but I can't imagine its too bad.

IMC87
09-06-2009, 3:10 PM
.223 aint too bad, just dont be too close with your nose to the CH (if you run a tactical latch :P)

gizmo7718
09-10-2009, 11:36 PM
After a 5 minute makeover:

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww170/fonionrings/IMG_1920.jpg

Did you mount that stock saddle right over the foam, or remove the foam? How did you tighten it up so that it doesn't move/rotate when you rest your cheek on it?
Was thinking about getting a stock saddle myself but didn't know how tight and/or immovable it would be.

AM9000
09-11-2009, 8:16 PM
http://www.the9000.com/arp.jpg

My new toy.

LMT 10.5" upper
DD 7" Lite rail
PRI Flipy front sight
KAC rear micro sight
BCM BCG
Spikes Pistol Lower
Larue/Aimpoint T-1
Bullet Button
10/30 mag

gizmo7718
09-12-2009, 7:40 PM
Finally, finally, finally got my new toy! Cleaned and oiled up, can't wait to try it out.

DPMS Kitty Kat upper w/ 7.5" barrel
DD M4 Omega rail
Noveske flamer
Troy F/R folding BUIS
EOTech 511 w/ GG&G shroud
NC Star cheapie laser
RRA "pistol only" lower
CAA G27 grip

http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/gizmo7718/AR%20Family/DSC05691.jpg
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/gizmo7718/AR%20Family/DSC05697.jpg

GunPhonatic
09-16-2009, 12:37 PM
Looks like I can finally play too! :43:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol013.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol015.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol018.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol021.jpg
family pic
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/artkrime/arpistol023.jpg

What kind of lower rail handguard cover is that?

munkeeboi
09-16-2009, 12:45 PM
vltor casv

evollep3
09-16-2009, 1:15 PM
vltor casv

i think hes talking about the lower triangle piece if so its from Tango down that was made for a the saw i think i just know it never made out to public

GunPhonatic
09-16-2009, 6:58 PM
i think hes talking about the lower triangle piece if so its from Tango down that was made for a the saw i think i just know it never made out to public

Thanks for the info.

tacticalcity
09-16-2009, 7:03 PM
Sold my 9mm AR Pistol today, building another one in 223, picks coming soon...

Loved the 9mm AR Pistol. Just enjoy building them and trying new things out more than hanging onto them.

evollep3
09-17-2009, 11:57 PM
Sold my 9mm pistol lower today, building another one in 223, picks coming soon...

Loved the 9mm AR Pistol. Just enjoy building them and trying new things out more than hanging onto them.

that is why you need to build more than 1 :43:
i have a 9mm pistol and 223 :)

tacticalcity
09-18-2009, 9:22 AM
Must be nice.

My gun collection got pretty huge for a while there. Then the economy turned and I had to find ways to do more with less. That meant selling off old projects to pay for new projects.

TacticalCity.com is doing great, but the day job not so much. I'm just not ready to walk away from the day job yet. Love those benefits.

Of course, trading in the Mitsubishi for a Lexus didn't help any.

For me, it's about keeping busy more than anything else. If I don't have at least one build going on, I don't know what to do with myself.

I currently have 2 builds under way. The new "pistol" will be a CQBR clone but with a pistol buffer tube. All I have so far is the Pistol Buffer Tube Kit, the CMMG LPK, the LMT Rear Sight and the KAC forend. I have an LMT SOPMOD stock kit as well, but I can't legally put it on there so I used it on my M4gery.

The new rifle will be an SR-25 clone. All I have so far is the complete lower and magazines. My lower is DPMS compatible rather than Armalite compatible so finding the right upper has been challenging. Sure there are uppers available, but they are not exactly what I am looking for. Hopefully CMMG will get around to making .308 uppers like they have planning to do for a while now. I like CMMG a lot and they say their uppers will be very similar to the SR-25 and that they will allow for lots of different upgrades.

I still have a CMMG M4gery, but of course I am selling it off as well. It's currently up on the Calguns.net FIREARMS FOR SALE board.

tacticalcity
09-18-2009, 9:34 AM
vltor casv

I am not sure what MonkeeBoi is asking, but this forend is the Vltor CASV-EL. Lots of guys on here used them on their pistol builds. I'm not the biggest fan of this forend, but lots of people love 'em.

http://www.vltor.com/images/CASV3Small_272x204.jpg

evollep3
09-18-2009, 9:37 AM
Must be nice.

My gun collection got pretty huge for a while there. Then the economy turned and I had to find ways to do more with less. That meant selling off old projects to pay for new projects. Of course, trading in the Eclipse for Lexus IS didn't help any.

TacticalCity.com is doing great, but the day job not so much. I'm just not ready to walk away from the day job yet. Love those benefits.

For me, it's about keeping busy more than anything else. If I don't have at least one build going on, I don't know what to do with myself.

I currently have 2 builds under way. The new "pistol" will be a CQBR clone but with a pistol buffer tube. All I have so far is the LMT Rear Sight and the KAC forend. I have an LMT SOPMOD stock as well, but I can't legally put it on their so I used it on my M4gery.

The new rifle will be an SR-25 clone. All I have so far is the complete lower and magazines. My lower is DPMS compatible rather than Armalite compatible so finding the right upper has been challenging. Hopefully CMMG will get around to making .308 uppers like they have planning to do for a while now. I like CMMG a lot.

I still have a CMMG M4gery, but of course I am selling it off as well. It's currently up on the Calguns.net FIREARMS FOR SALE board.

yea i here ya brother NorCalBRG has been doing good i guess since everyone else been saying they are slow so i cant complain and the bad part is i havent been ordering anything since i stock most stuff except the higher end big dollar items like 557's and etc.... my day job has basically been taking up all my time since its my bread and butter :) and plus i have a baby due anyday now so time is a minimum at the current momment. But im glad your doing good I like seeing people suceed at doing their own business cause all that does is shows that our little so call recession is nothing.

But yea i have some many projects going it not even funny i got rid of a few rifles and projects already and i still seem to be overwhem in them lol currently I'm doing the few things simular to yours

1) 9mm CMMG pistol (I got their new quad rail on it) and its really nice its free float and has its on independent locknut that is not a pita to take off or install like most rails these days.

2) 223 pistol that Im trying to descide if i want to get the POF SBR upper or the PWS diablo or just put one together with a side charger from AArmory

3) I have 2 seperate SBR im working on a White Oak Armory 18" on a LMT receiver with a larue 13 in rail. and a Saber Defense one Im going to be trading my AR10 for

so yea i been piecing everything here and there slowly to make sure i get all the parts i want so i dont break my pocket since the baby is on the way ..


oo and I forgot i have 2 ak's im working on too AK pistol and another Romy kit those has been sitting on the back burner for a while now tho
:(

evollep3
09-18-2009, 9:38 AM
I am not sure what MonkeeBoi is asking, but this forend is the Vltor CASV-EL. Lots of guys on here used them on their pistol builds. I'm not the biggest fan of this forend, but lots of people love 'em.

http://www.vltor.com/images/CASV3Small_272x204.jpg

he was talking about the triangle rail cover on the bottom of the CASV its a tango down rail cover that never made it out to public

tacticalcity
09-18-2009, 9:42 AM
Those Diablo Uppers are nice...pricey even for dealers like us...but nice. I am a big fan.

I have not seen CMMGs new forend. Sounds like I need to check in with them and add some new products to my website. I assume it will be a new upgrade option to all their own uppers. So it's gonna take a while. They make so many different uppers, it can be difficult to manage them all on my site. I love the variety, but keeping up with changes can be a real chore.

I've only owned one AK, I was not all that impressed. I heard so many great things about them, that it was probably impossible that it could have met such high expectations. I would be more into them if they were easier to build.

The Krinkov turned into a pistol is seriously sexy though...talk about a tempting build. I've seen a rear trunion for the AK that has a female attachment point for a push button swivel built into it that is pretty darn cool as well.

I owned a CETME for a while there as well, but over time the cocking tube becomes razor sharp from the cocking handle rubbing against it. The end result being you slice up your hand every time you cock it. Replacing the cocking tube means breaking out a welder and repainting the rifle...neither of which are in my wheelhouse.

So when it comes to semi-auto rifles, I'm pretty much an AR guy. Not to say I will never own another AK. I get tempted all the time. The M1A is calling to me as well.

Don't get me starting on bolt action rifles. I'll go on for days. Love those USMC M40A1 and M40A3 clones from Texas Bridge Armory and GA Precision. Always wanted one.

Of course, we are completely hijacking this thread...sorry guys...I'll get back to AR Pistol related posts. I promise.

evollep3
09-18-2009, 9:46 AM
Those Diablo Uppers are nice...pricey even for dealers like us...but nice. I am a big fan.

I have not seen CMMGs new forend. Sounds like I need to check in with them and add some new products to my website. I assume it will be a new upgrade option to all their own uppers. So it's gonna take a while. They make so many different uppers, it can be difficult to manage them all on my site.

Yea CMMG is good. its funny there is guys that say this and that about them such as they do not stake their BCG's and not only do they stake them they do it better than some of the other big name manufacture uppers i stock

tacticalcity
09-18-2009, 10:02 AM
They are excellent at dealing with any issues that come up as well.

I had a pin get stuck inside my .308 lower that was totally my fault. They paid for me to return the lower to them, and instead of drilling it out like they planed they simply replaced it. Not only that, they took all my parts off my damaged lower and installed them for me on my new lower so I wouldn't screw it up again. Not that I would, but still, I appreciated that they went so far to help me out, and it did not cost me a dime.

They do stuff like that all the time. They go way above and beyond both for me and my customers who buy their products from me. I can't say enough good things.

Last I checked they were only taking a week or two to finish their 9mm Pistol Uppers. Which is very fast.

The whole reason I went with 9mm on my first pistol build was because they could get me that upper so fast.

GunPhonatic
10-01-2009, 11:11 AM
finally got this thing done..
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa63/jphong1981/arpistol.jpg

pacrimguru
10-01-2009, 11:13 PM
niiice, glockster!!!

paratroop
10-04-2009, 6:43 AM
does anybody know a ffl in the la area that does transfers of ar pistols? i only ask here because i didnt get any answers in the ffl forum. or even just pistol lowers?

pacrimguru
10-04-2009, 8:10 AM
does anybody know a ffl in the la area that does transfers of ar pistols? i only ask here because i didnt get any answers in the ffl forum. or even just pistol lowers?

bright spot pawn in riverside is the place you're looking for. also, i think oc armory in laguna hills, and independent armament company in LA both do them as well.

paratroop
10-04-2009, 8:19 AM
awesome, thanks.

duc748bip
10-08-2009, 5:12 PM
Anyone shot their AR pistol in an indoor range? (rifle caliber.. guess some range allow then) Got any stare from other shooter? I went with the 11.5 + KX3. haven't had the time to shoot it or finish it up.. rails, optic, blah blah...
My question is Is 7~8" much more fun then the 11.5"? I have a Decibel meter. maybe I should bring it to the range next time.

CalGuns
10-17-2009, 11:13 PM
what you guys think about this built? should I get a handguard or leave it the way it is...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/keakster/DSC02737.jpg

Gio
10-17-2009, 11:15 PM
Modify a MOE HG to fit over it if you have to, those to me look sweet on AR Pistols ;)

-Gio

gunrun45
10-18-2009, 3:39 AM
I shoot mine at an indoor range all the time. Nice Shot in Redding is a class III aproved range. Is it loud? You bet your bottom dollar bat man. Best served with the lights turned down and my pig break off ;)

fonionrings
10-19-2009, 12:59 PM
Anyone shot their AR pistol in an indoor range? (rifle caliber.. guess some range allow then) Got any stare from other shooter?

Every time I shoot my AR pistol, everyone stops by to ask what I'm shooting and if they can give it a try :D. This baby is LOUD and spits fireballs to boot.

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww170/fonionrings/IMG_1926.jpg

COBRA MASTER
10-19-2009, 1:31 PM
Nice rail and saddle. Pof usa?

Olav
10-19-2009, 1:38 PM
Does anyone know if Roger's Relics will DROS AR pistols?

technique
10-19-2009, 1:41 PM
Does anyone know if Roger's Relics will DROS AR pistols?

Yes, as far as I know. Give em a call.

fonionrings
10-19-2009, 1:50 PM
Nice rail and saddle. Pof usa?

Yep.

skyungjae
10-19-2009, 6:37 PM
Anyone know if the CAA saddle will fit on the tube without the foam?

ghost
10-19-2009, 10:14 PM
Does anyone know if Roger's Relics will DROS AR pistols?


last time i was there lisa told me that she wouldnt dros ar,ak,or mac type pistols.i guess it was too evil for her taste and comfort level.

Olav
10-21-2009, 1:19 PM
last time i was there lisa told me that she wouldnt dros ar,ak,or mac type pistols.i guess it was too evil for her taste and comfort level.

Thanks!

fonionrings
10-21-2009, 1:54 PM
Anyone know if the CAA saddle will fit on the tube without the foam?

For mine, it's already loose even sitting on the foam cover. I use zip-ties to keep it tight, and be aware that this does draw the sides lower, pretty much ruining it as an effective device for good cheekweld. But that's ok: it looks cool! And we all know that's the only thing that counts >=]

Flopper
10-22-2009, 2:08 PM
Does anyone know if Roger's Relics will DROS AR pistols?

Roger's Relics is a great FFL to deal with, but as has already been answered, they unfortunately won't DROS those pistols.

But this member in Fremont will:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=228762

Of the few FFL's in the South Bay that will DROS AR & AK pistols, he is the cheapest I have found.

hoppin62
10-28-2009, 3:34 PM
Here's mine.. just picked it up yesterday! :43:

http://i38.tinypic.com/314tqv8.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2wqzzol.jpg

COBRA MASTER
10-28-2009, 3:51 PM
Nice, what type of rail cover is that? Knights armament?

hoppin62
10-28-2009, 3:56 PM
Nice, what type of rail cover is that? Knights armament?

Midwest rail, also has a Young BCG!

Midian
10-28-2009, 4:43 PM
Ok. What's it cost to put a nice one together? I'm swooning.

Peter W Bush
10-28-2009, 4:45 PM
what you guys think about this built? should I get a handguard or leave it the way it is...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/keakster/DSC02737.jpg

You should have got a handguard ;)

evollep3
10-28-2009, 4:46 PM
You should have got a handguard ;)

if im correct it should be now "you" should get a rail?:D

CFV
10-28-2009, 4:58 PM
if im correct it should be now "you" should get a rail?:D

Was gonna jump on that upper, but wasn't sure if that gas block was going fit under a carbine quad rail...doesn't look like a standard block/barrel fit

CFV
10-28-2009, 5:01 PM
if im correct it should be now "you" should get a rail?:D

Was gonna jump on that upper, but wasn't sure if that gas block was going fit under a carbine quad rail...doesn't look like a standard block/barrel fit

Show us pics once ya dress up that upper

Peter W Bush
10-28-2009, 6:23 PM
if im correct it should be now "you" should get a rail?:D


Was gonna jump on that upper, but wasn't sure if that gas block was going fit under a carbine quad rail...doesn't look like a standard block/barrel fit

Show us pics once ya dress up that upper

Im either trimming down the gas block or buying a low profile one. The only thing im not 100% sure about is which rail to buy that will fit that thing.

I'll post pics when shes finished :D

Sinestr
10-28-2009, 8:51 PM
Here's mine.. just picked it up yesterday! :43:

http://i38.tinypic.com/314tqv8.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2wqzzol.jpg

Very nice build. I'm getting the itch very bad, I may have to start scratching.

nowhere
11-06-2009, 4:34 AM
Why did I wander into this post

I hate this site, i hate the people in here, you all have ugly builds :rolleyes:


sorry guys, just trying to talk myself out of building another one.

beautiful builds everyone

pacrimguru
11-06-2009, 12:29 PM
Why did I wander into this post

I hate this site, i hate the people in here, you all have ugly builds :rolleyes:


sorry guys, just trying to talk myself out of building another one.

beautiful builds everyone


do it! do it! i know you want to!

evollep3
11-06-2009, 12:43 PM
do it! do it! i know you want to!

jerry do you store your guns upside down?

hoppin62
11-06-2009, 12:49 PM
Why did I wander into this post

I hate this site, i hate the people in here, you all have ugly builds :rolleyes:


sorry guys, just trying to talk myself out of building another one.

beautiful builds everyone

Don't do it!! :eek: I just bought this AR pistol and now a AK pistol and now I can't eat!!! :eek: :eek:

CalGuns
11-13-2009, 3:30 AM
my newly built ar pistol...
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/keakster/DSC02809.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/keakster/DSC02807.jpg

pacrimguru
11-13-2009, 9:38 AM
jerry do you store your guns upside down?

sometimes i do, i kinda alternate them. one up, one down, and so on. you can fit more in your safe that way.

tacticalcity
11-13-2009, 10:17 AM
These things are so much fun...but I can't tell you how much I wish we could slip a stock on there. Damn California lawmakers!

The GAU-5 I carried when I was in had a 11.5 barrel with an A1 hider. So the only way for me to build a rifle like the one I was issued, which would be great to do, is to build it as a pistol. I can get every detail right aside from the stock, and the fact that it has to be semi-auto of course.

Just add it to the wish list!!!

I'm 1/3 of the way done with a CQBR (pistol) Clone right now. Not sure if it will ever get finished. Keep getting distracted.

DarkGT
11-13-2009, 12:06 PM
Forgive my ignorance but are forward vertical handles allowed on these?

ke6guj
11-13-2009, 12:09 PM
Forgive my ignorance but are forward vertical handles allowed on these?Not unless you have it registered as an AOW (any other weapon).

hoppin62
11-13-2009, 12:17 PM
my newly built ar pistol...
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/keakster/DSC02809.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/keakster/DSC02807.jpg

Is that the small GSE buffer tube on the back? What caliber is this?

DarkGT
11-13-2009, 12:24 PM
Not unless you have it registered as an AOW (any other weapon).

Got it thanks!

hoppin62
11-13-2009, 12:44 PM
Forgive my ignorance but are forward vertical handles allowed on these?

Not unless you have it registered as an AOW (any other weapon).

Doesn't this fall in the same catagory as assault rifles?....
Since the magazine is locked/fixed and not detachable how does it fall into 12276.5 ?? Please, can someone help clarify this? Thanks.

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip,
or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that
allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide
that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the
pistol grip.

ke6guj
11-13-2009, 12:48 PM
Doesn't this fall in the same catagory as assault rifles?....
Since the magazine is locked/fixed and not detachable how does it fall into 12276.5 ?? Please, can someone help clarify this? Thanks.its not state law that is the problem, you are right that the fixed-mag eliminates the AW issue, but it is the feds who feel that a VFG'ed handgun is an illegal AOW, unless properly registered.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/041006-vert_grip.htm
ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment.

hoppin62
11-14-2009, 10:00 PM
its not state law that is the problem, you are right that the fixed-mag eliminates the AW issue, but it is the feds who feel that a VFG'ed handgun is an illegal AOW, unless properly registered.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/041006-vert_grip.htm
Thank you for clearing that up!

tacticalcity
11-15-2009, 3:25 PM
Ha..ha..I read the wrong page thinking I was on the last one.

This post was in response to "CAN I BUY A STRIPPED PISTOL LOWER BY ITSELF".

It has probably already been answered, but I figure it can't hurt to cover it again.

You need to send the guy you are buying it from a lower parts kit, bullet button, pistol buffer tube kit, and single shot SLED type magazine and have him put it together for you before shipping it to your FFL.

Some FFLs require you to have the upper before they will transfer it to you. Some only need the lower to be assmbled with a bullet button and single shot magazine. Mine did not requie me to have the upper. If you search on Gunbroker for Red River Tactical Pistol Lower, that seller will assemble the lower for you for an additional $20 fee. It is a great lower, had a snugger fit on my CMMG upper than even my CMMG lowers. He does have a few without logos on the opposite side if you dont like the additional engravings.

There are other ways...I find the above the be the easiest. Nobody is gonna transfer just the lower, at least so I've been told.

So I would start by buying the SLED, the Pistol Buffer Tube Kit, the Bullet Button and the lower parts kit. Once you have those, email the guy you want to buy the stripped pistol lower from and confirm that if you send him those parts he will assemble it for you. Then find out what your FFL is willing to transfer. Make the decision to purchase based upon their answers.

hoppin62
11-15-2009, 3:58 PM
Ha..ha..I read the wrong page thinking I was on the last one.

This post was in response to "CAN I BUY A STRIPPED PISTOL LOWER BY ITSELF".

It has probably already been answered, but I figure it can't hurt to cover it again.

You need to send the guy you are buying it from a lower parts kit, bullet button, pistol buffer tube kit, and single shot SLED type magazine and have him put it together for you before shipping it to your FFL.

Some FFLs require you to have the upper before they will transfer it to you. Some only need the lower to be assmbled with a bullet button and single shot magazine. Mine did not requie me to have the upper. If you search on Gunbroker for Red River Tactical Pistol Lower, that seller will assemble the lower for you for an additional $20 fee. It is a great lower, had a snugger fit on my CMMG upper than even my CMMG lowers. He does have a few without logos on the opposite side if you dont like the additional engravings.

There are other ways...I find the above the be the easiest. Nobody is gonna transfer just the lower, at least so I've been told.

So I would start by buying the SLED, the Pistol Buffer Tube Kit, the Bullet Button and the lower parts kit. Once you have those, email the guy you want to buy the stripped pistol lower from and confirm that if you send him those parts he will assemble it for you. Then find out what your FFL is willing to transfer. Make the decision to purchase based upon their answers.

That is what I found out when I bought my AR pistol. Most FFL's will only transfer as a complete single shot pistol. Anvil Arms sells complete pistol lowers California ready.. you just have to provide them your pistol upper for them to ship out as a complete pistol.

Exposed
11-15-2009, 4:07 PM
That is what I found out when I bought my AR pistol. Most FFL's will only transfer as a complete single shot pistol. Anvil Arms sells complete pistol lowers California ready.. you just have to provide them your pistol upper for them to ship out as a complete pistol.

unless you do a ppt. I got my pistol lower from a ppt.

hoppin62
11-15-2009, 4:23 PM
unless you do a ppt. I got my pistol lower from a ppt.

:eek: I did not know that! Anyone selling one? :D

ke6guj
11-15-2009, 4:25 PM
unless you do a ppt. I got my pistol lower from a ppt.

how did the FFL do the handgun safety demo with a stripped lower?

Exposed
11-15-2009, 4:50 PM
Here is mine next to my Kimber. I also posted one next to my Draco AK pistol.

pay no attention to the wolf .223 ammo/ or my bare feet with my alien PJ pants. :o

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/steppenwolf_321/IMG_2371.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/steppenwolf_321/IMG_2370.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/steppenwolf_321/IMG_2357.jpg

tacticalcity
11-15-2009, 4:52 PM
Nice!!! What variant AK is your AK pistol build from?

Exposed
11-15-2009, 5:28 PM
Nice!!! What variant AK is your AK pistol build from?

Draco AK pistol.

tacticalcity
11-15-2009, 8:27 PM
You have a really nice collection there. I dig it.

Exposed
11-16-2009, 12:20 PM
You have a really nice collection there. I dig it.

Thank you sir. :)

evollep3
11-18-2009, 11:44 PM
my 9mm build
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/Evollep3/DSC00194.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/Evollep3/DSC00195.jpg

Josh3239
11-19-2009, 12:09 AM
Love the fire selection markings? Who's lower, I couldn't make out the name? Did you have Orion do the engravings?

evollep3
11-19-2009, 4:56 PM
Love the fire selection markings? Who's lower, I couldn't make out the name? Did you have Orion do the engravings?

the lower was a 80% lower and was a custom engraving

Peter W Bush
11-19-2009, 5:52 PM
the lower was a 80% lower and was a custom engraving

Who is doing custom engraving for lowers?

evollep3
11-22-2009, 9:03 AM
Rock river that wrapped in paracord

Josh3239
11-22-2009, 12:22 PM
Not sure which extention but it is wrapped in paracord.

tacticalcity
11-23-2009, 10:55 AM
my 9mm build
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/Evollep3/DSC00194.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/Evollep3/DSC00195.jpg

Sure wish I knew how to wrap the buffer tube that nicely. All my attempts look like crap.

glock_this
11-23-2009, 1:00 PM
if these were as easy to obtain/build as a regular CA legal AR, I would buy today. It's the next AR I want to add to my collection.

Gio
11-23-2009, 1:04 PM
Awesome setup there Lloyd! I love the Smiley Faces on the Receiver :D

-Gio

tacticalcity
11-23-2009, 2:35 PM
if these were as easy to obtain/build as a regular CA legal AR, I would buy today. It's the next AR I want to add to my collection.

It's not that hard. I found a guy who will built the lower and ship it directly to my local FFL for me. All I have to do is send him a lower parts kit, bullet button, single shot sled, and a pistol buffer tube kit. All of which I pick up dirt cheap as time goes on rather than buying them all at once. I forget his company name, but he is the only guy on GunBroker.com selling Red River Tactical Pistol Lowers. He's a very nice guy, and will help out anyway he can. Getting the upper is easy.

All most FFLs are gonna care about is that the OLL Pistol Lower is single shot, and fully assembled. Some will require the upper installed, but most will not. If they do, just bring in whatever upper you already have. Any upper will do, even for the pickiest FFL.

glock_this
11-23-2009, 8:46 PM
yeah, last time I asked my go to FFL - Gusslers just 4 monts ago or so - he would not do them. finding the upper, as you say, is not the issue. the lower is the issue.

tacticalcity
11-23-2009, 8:50 PM
http://www.fflfinder.com - just because one guy says no, doesn't mean their isn't somebody nearby who will say yes. Vote with your cash.

I've never been good at taking no for an answer and like to reward those who say yes, and stop rewarding those who say no. Even if it means a little extra drive time. I've seen lots of FFLs start selling OLLs as result of them looking lots of business this way.

247Nino
11-24-2009, 7:59 AM
http://www.anvilarms.com/pc-326-19-registered-pistol-lower-receiver.aspx

Friends in Florida want us Kalifornians to have AR pistols!

fonionrings
11-24-2009, 9:43 AM
+1 for Anvil Arms.

bug_eyedmonster
12-01-2009, 12:55 PM
Here is mine next to my Kimber. I also posted one next to my Draco AK pistol.

pay no attention to the wolf .223 ammo/ or my bare feet with my alien PJ pants. :o

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/steppenwolf_321/IMG_2371.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/steppenwolf_321/IMG_2370.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/steppenwolf_321/IMG_2357.jpg

Nice setup, a friend of mine has the same PJ pants... hahaha What sling is that you have on the pistol?

Jerry

evollep3
12-01-2009, 1:23 PM
Nice setup, a friend of mine has the same PJ pants... hahaha What sling is that you have on the pistol?

Jerry

i think its troy arms

glock_this
12-02-2009, 4:19 PM
It's not that hard. I found a guy who will built the lower and ship it directly to my local FFL for me. All I have to do is send him a lower parts kit, bullet button, single shot sled, and a pistol buffer tube kit. All of which I pick up dirt cheap as time goes on rather than buying them all at once. I forget his company name, but he is the only guy on GunBroker.com selling Red River Tactical Pistol Lowers. He's a very nice guy, and will help out anyway he can. Getting the upper is easy.

oh... it's on. Found a guy to do it for me just like you. up in WY and using RRA. going to send my stuff this week: upper and a sled

http://www.anvilarms.com

+1 for Anvil Arms.

tried AA, but they are not taking orders now and do not return emails or calls - as others have mentioned here on the forums recently. So, I went elsewhere with my biz and got someone to do it a bit cheaper with a brand I am very partial to: RRA.

tacticalcity
12-02-2009, 11:35 PM
I thought RRA was on the list? I'm probably wrong.

ke6guj
12-02-2009, 11:41 PM
I thought RRA was on the list? I'm probably wrong.

Rock River does have some specific models listed in the Rifle AW list,

Rock River Arms, Inc. Car A2
Rock River Arms, Inc. Car A4 Flattop
Rock River Arms, Inc. LE Tactical Carbine
Rock River Arms, Inc. NM A2 - DCM Legal
Rock River Arms, Inc. Standard A-2
Rock River Arms, Inc. Standard A-4 Flattop



But they they don't have any pistol models listed.

ColdDeadHands1
12-02-2009, 11:45 PM
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/steppenwolf_321/IMG_2371.jpg

Hey "Exposed", what buffer tube is that on your pistol? Can you measure it and tell me how long it is, from the back of the receiver? Nice pistol by the way!

glock_this
12-03-2009, 6:37 AM
I thought RRA was on the list? I'm probably wrong.

Rock River does have some specific models listed in the Rifle AW list,

Rock River Arms, Inc. Car A2
Rock River Arms, Inc. Car A4 Flattop
Rock River Arms, Inc. LE Tactical Carbine
Rock River Arms, Inc. NM A2 - DCM Legal
Rock River Arms, Inc. Standard A-2
Rock River Arms, Inc. Standard A-4 Flattop


But they they don't have any pistol models listed.

it is the LAR-15 pistol lower - which I understand to be fine (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=34397).



Hey "Exposed", what buffer tube is that on your pistol? Can you measure it and tell me how long it is, from the back of the receiver? Nice pistol by the way!

if you look at the 2 photos above, on 1 there is a foam cover and in the other there is not, so, it looks like the RRA pistol buffer tube. sorry, do not know length, but would also be curious as there is not stand alone data on that RRA pistol buffer kit on the RRA site

247Nino
12-07-2009, 9:17 AM
oh... it's on. Found a guy to do it for me just like you. up in WY and using RRA. going to send my stuff this week: upper and a sled

tried AA, but they are not taking orders now and do not return emails or calls - as others have mentioned here on the forums recently. So, I went elsewhere with my biz and got someone to do it a bit cheaper with a brand I am very partial to: RRA.

Please post the info here, for others that may be interested in AR pistols...
AA is having problems but I was lucky to get my pistol in on the 1st.

Mine may be the last AA AR P for now...

glock_this
12-07-2009, 11:53 AM
I went to a guy that is here on Calguns now and then, who punctually responds to emails and calls and has a bit of a better price, stock on hand, and a brand I like and is proven.. RRA

check out AWS Firearms (https://cssales.biz/Products.html) out of WY - his name is Cory. Seems to be cool enough and prompt via call and email. So, he was my choice.

BTW, I was going to post this info up or course, but I wanted to see if he still did it, had stock, and would respond... he did and does and so now I post up.

I have not yet gotten the fully built pistol sent to my FFL and seen it yet, so this is not an endorsement just yet, but it seems to be moving along.

UPDATE: holy :cuss: he got my upper today and already sent it off to my local FFL. what's that... 3 hour turn around :)

jaustin612
12-07-2009, 7:05 PM
hey all Im looking into doing my first pistol build and am wondering if someone could put up a ar up with a 10" vs one with a 7" barrel on it for comparison? I really haven't handled an ar pistol before so I have no real way of knowing which one I like

Da_shotcaller
12-10-2009, 8:37 PM
Finally I'm done building my pistol. It's not as flashy as some of you guys pistol but I'm happy for now. Next thing is to change the flash hider.

badicedog
12-10-2009, 9:10 PM
Finally I'm done building my pistol. It's not as flashy as some of you guys pistol but I'm happy for now. Next thing is to change the flash hider.

Just wait until you pull the trigger..:43: Mine put out a 2-3 foot flame, will be very "flashy" real soon.:D

glock_this
12-10-2009, 9:11 PM
Finally I'm done building my pistol. It's not as flashy as some of you guys pistol but I'm happy for now. Next thing is to change the flash hider.

is that grip tape from a tennis racket on the buffer tube?

Da_shotcaller
12-10-2009, 9:25 PM
Just wait until you pull the trigger..:43: Mine put out a 2-3 foot flame, will be very "flashy" real soon.:D


That's why I'm thinking about changing it before i take it to the range... But then I also want to experience the 2 - 3 foot flame :D

Da_shotcaller
12-10-2009, 9:26 PM
is that grip tape from a tennis racket on the buffer tube?

No. It's an actual tennis racket handle :D ... I'm just kidding it's a tennis racket grip tube that I bought from Sportsmart :D

badicedog
12-10-2009, 9:33 PM
That's why I'm thinking about changing it before i take it to the range... But then I also want to experience the 2 - 3 foot flame :D

You'll only see it at night or during a very overcast day. I've tried different FH but that short bbl still puts out a large flash signature.:(

Da_shotcaller
12-10-2009, 9:38 PM
You'll only see it at night or during a very overcast day. I've tried different FH but that short bbl still puts out a large flash signature.:(

I'm thinking about the kx3 since that's what i've been seeing in most AR Pistol. Since you tried different flash hider before, what do you think will be best suited for a short barrel like this?

badicedog
12-10-2009, 9:51 PM
The main priority is a device that will give you enough back pressure to run your pistol consistently. Second would be flash signature (it doesn't matter if you will only be using this at the range). Myself, well you never know if you will ever be in a predicament to have to use this at night (I'm no fortune teller or tin foil hat guy...lol). With that said, the KX3 is a great choice i run the PWS brake since I have no choice (void warranty).
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/mannysden/IMG_3270.jpg

Da_shotcaller
12-10-2009, 10:52 PM
The main priority is a device that will give you enough back pressure to run your pistol consistently. Second would be flash signature (it doesn't matter if you will only be using this at the range). Myself, well you never know if you will ever be in a predicament to have to use this at night (I'm no fortune teller or tin foil hat guy...lol). With that said, the KX3 is a great choice i run the PWS brake since I have no choice (void warranty).
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/mannysden/IMG_3270.jpg

nice setup... is that the bushnell holosight???

Plisk
12-10-2009, 11:17 PM
Finally I'm done building my pistol. It's not as flashy as some of you guys pistol but I'm happy for now. Next thing is to change the flash hider.

Did you mod the MBUS you have mounted on there? It looks off.

badicedog
12-10-2009, 11:45 PM
nice setup... is that the bushnell holosight???

yes, works really well co-witness with the HK irons.

tacticalcity
12-16-2009, 10:36 AM
If anybody is planning on wrapping Paracord around their buffer tubes for a "retro" look like I am doing on my next AR pistol, try www.CountyComm.com. I ordered some black paracord (they have all kinds of colors available including various cammos) and some black plastic end clamps to keep the ends from breaking apart over time. Ordered yesterday, stuff arrived today! Prices were great. It is rare I push another vendor, but I was impressed with their service. Site looks cheesy as hell, but they deliver the goods.

Oh yeah, started my next AR pistol, a retro build...GAU-5A/A Clone.

tacticalcity
12-16-2009, 10:38 AM
Finally I'm done building my pistol. It's not as flashy as some of you guys pistol but I'm happy for now. Next thing is to change the flash hider.

I like the Red River Tactical Lower. They have a really snug fit on my upper compared to the other lowers I have tried in the past.

tacticalcity
12-16-2009, 10:42 AM
it is the LAR-15 pistol lower - which I understand to be fine (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=34397).

OK-Just askin'. Would suck to get the wrong thing here and have your FFL refuse to transfer it, or worse have him transfer it and get into trouble.

247Nino
12-16-2009, 2:02 PM
so this is probably the last of Anvil Arms...

still too broke to buy my BUS right now...
Oh and I think the CAA saddle is awesome, have one on my tapco stock and one for the pistol... AWESOME

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6972/nin1778.jpg

glock_this
12-16-2009, 2:07 PM
so this is probably the last of Anvil Arms...

still too broke to buy my BUS right now...
Oh and I think the CAA saddle is awesome, have one on my tapco stock and one for the pistol... AWESOME


I am also doing a CAA saddle.. already have it.

You can find such killer deals on the Magpul BUIS in a pair for 85-90$, thats cheap and heck, we all know, they never really get used anyway.

Mine will have some color. Doing Magpul FDE colors as I have been wanting to do a little color.

Like the Stark? I have one. I was one of the first 10 or so guys to get them when they released them back in Juneish.. I like mine, hard to beat a winter trigger guard and grip all in 1 and in a cool look.

247Nino
12-16-2009, 2:14 PM
You can find such killer deals on the Magpul BUIS in a pair for 85-90$, thats cheap and heck, we all know, they never really get used anyway.

Like the Stark? I have one. I was one of the first 10 or so guys to get them when they released them back in Juneish.. I like mine, hard to beat a winter trigger guard and grip all in 1 and in a cool look.

I am definitely going with the Magpul BUS from Tunis of course can't beat his pricing, just waiting to sell off some items. All of my money lately has been going to Christmas gifts so I've got to move other items that I have not used.

Since I'm in a poor spot right now with no means of employment I might even do that cheap flashlight and scope ring idea, seeing that I have a ring laying around and a Streamlight Scorpion buried somewhere in my glove box...

I do like the Stark, I like that they added the sling options, so I opted for the QD hole...

glock_this
12-16-2009, 2:20 PM
I didnt even notice the new generation Stark with the QR swivel. sticks out to far for me as I like lower profile sling mounts, but cool integration nevertheless

tacticalcity
12-16-2009, 2:40 PM
I use my KAC buis on my M4 all the time. It's faster to flip it up and shoot than to turn on the aimpoint and get it to the right brightness setting. I'd rather use the red dot, but it is not always on, and some times you just don't have time to dilly-dally. Real life is messy. My problem with the MBUS is they break OFTEN. Getting them installed without breaking them is pure luck more than anything else. Had them break simply pushing them onto the rail. And forget about real life applications, running and gunning and diving for cover. Put too much weight or pressure on them at the wrong angle and they will break off. You would be surprised how knocked around your rifle gets when it is more than a bench rest beast. The base is too thin where it meets the rail. Had them break more than once on me. Don't trust them on anything but a bench rester. Don't get me wrong...dig Magpul. It is just the MBUS has a serious design flaw. Cheap as they are...a broken sight does you no good.

That said, they sell like hot cakes. So I still sell them. It is simple supply and demand. I can't pass moral judgements on what my customers want to buy. If they want it, and I can get it...I sell it.

glock_this
12-16-2009, 2:51 PM
but if price is an issue and it is something or nothing.. those Magpuls are hard to beat and I would take something. I have GG&G and YHM and they can often be pricer for 1 then an entire set of Magpuls.. but thanks for the heads up on them.

tacticalcity
12-16-2009, 2:55 PM
Great price...I agree. Plus I am told they are redesigning them, at least the rear sight. This is a result of a law suit from A.R.M.S. I would assume they would address the breaking issue at the same time as coming up with a pattern that meets the terms of the settlement.

A.R.M.S. sues everybody and their brother with any product even remotely close in design to theirs. They have even targeted vendors like my self on ebay for selling products from other vendors they have issue with. Very annoying. A.R.M.S. makes great products, just wish they were not such a bully. Recently they changed their policy on ebay from automatically reporting you without warning, to politely requesting you take down listings on your own which they feel violate their copyright. I consider that a HUGE improvement and am thus no longer boycotting them. Everyone's letters and complaints worked.

pacrimguru
12-22-2009, 4:47 PM
my ar pistol can be configured in 2 ways.

Mean:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk62/pacrimguru/AR-15%20Pistol/406122cc.jpg

and Evil:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk62/pacrimguru/AR-15%20Pistol/fd03db8f.jpg

Social Casualty
12-22-2009, 5:05 PM
my ar pistol can be configured in 2 ways.


you got yourself a really nice setup there

COBRA MASTER
12-28-2009, 2:36 PM
NICE BLASTER DUDE!!

Jeffu
12-28-2009, 2:41 PM
too bad you lost them in a boating accident though

JaMail
12-28-2009, 3:12 PM
http://www.anvilarms.com/

all that raving about how great anvil arms is and i go there and get to read about the drama involved.

sytfu_RR
12-28-2009, 4:29 PM
my ar pistol can be configured in 2 ways.

Mean:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk62/pacrimguru/AR-15%20Pistol/406122cc.jpg

and Evil:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk62/pacrimguru/AR-15%20Pistol/fd03db8f.jpg


wow either way they're bad***! nice work.

jaustin612
12-29-2009, 2:53 PM
Man I cant wait till I build mine.

Aftermath686
12-29-2009, 4:33 PM
too bad you lost them in a boating accident though


What is this about!?!?

glock_this
01-02-2010, 4:47 PM
FINALLY, I can post up photos, you can read more in the link in my signature about the pistol build..

http://socalfj40.com/images/forums/ar/arpistol1.jpg
http://socalfj40.com/images/forums/ar/arpistol2.jpg
http://socalfj40.com/images/forums/ar/arpistol3.jpg

titus7
01-02-2010, 5:56 PM
not to sure if I would keep your KAC handstop/sling mount on there...or mount it on the side.

Never Convicted
01-02-2010, 6:06 PM
why run the CAA saddle backwards ?

badicedog
01-02-2010, 7:07 PM
not to sure if I would keep your KAC handstop/sling mount on there...or mount it on the side.

Why not? It's a safety device so not to shoot your fingers off! In not way can it be misconstrued as a VFG. I mounted a flashlight instead since I am running a 7 inch bbl.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/mannysden/IMG_3270.jpg

badicedog
01-02-2010, 7:15 PM
why run the CAA saddle backwards ?

This is a 'Gray' area for me. We are all aware that the majority of LEO are not the most knowledgeable with regards to OLL laws not to mention AR pistol legalities. It would be very easy for a LEO to make issue with the saddle as a buttstock. So with that said, If you are a gambling man... go ahead and attach what ever you feel is legal on the AR pistol buffer tube. Just make sure you have a great 2A attorney on retainer:rolleyes:

technique
01-02-2010, 7:28 PM
Does the BAD work with the Vltor upper?

titus7
01-02-2010, 7:37 PM
yes it will but still another one of those gray areas. Not sure if I would do it

badicedog
01-02-2010, 7:42 PM
please explain...

pacrimguru
01-03-2010, 12:05 AM
Does the BAD work with the Vltor upper?

yes, with both the mur and vis.

duc748bip
01-03-2010, 12:23 AM
Updated my KX3 MI railed 10" AR Pistol to the Diablo!!
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=41780&stc=1&d=1262510481

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=41782&stc=1&d=1262510552

glock_this
01-03-2010, 6:39 AM
why run the CAA saddle backwards ?

good catch... :o

haste to take my photos and to take the photo of the foam tape on the inside of the saddle and I slid it back on wrong.. corrected my photos

glock_this
01-03-2010, 6:40 AM
not to sure if I would keep your KAC handstop/sling mount on there...or mount it on the side.

on the Troy Extreme Battle Rail, there is no mount hole for a QR sling mount on the inner portion of the rail - like on my YHM for example.

but I have noted that of the 3 bolt on rails they give, the 4" one, the rail on the bottom that the KNC is attached to, you do have a QR hole there.

but either way, I would have to remove that font flush Magpul ladder chunk to mount it IF I even ever wanted to use it, whch I doubt I will as I have rear SALP sling mount.

I was just trying to give people a heads up about the use of rail ladders w/ KNC swivel mount.

glock_this
01-03-2010, 6:41 AM
Does the BAD work with the Vltor upper?

10-4.. works perfect

AM9000
01-03-2010, 4:22 PM
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9014/arpistol.jpg

technique
01-03-2010, 4:29 PM
Details on the RAID please, AM9000.

AM9000
01-03-2010, 4:35 PM
Its a pack I picked up at the last Costa Mesa Crossroads.
Not bad for 40 bucks! Not US made, but the quality is pretty good still.

Never Convicted
01-04-2010, 8:31 AM
" why run the CAA saddle backwards ? "

the reason I asked was not to be critical of your build, hey if it works and you like it then so be it, i do see your note on photos, But I was thinking it might have been the reason the charging handle wouldn't slide as you described in your build notes . . .

tacticalcity
01-04-2010, 1:24 PM
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9014/arpistol.jpg

Nice!

till44
01-25-2010, 10:16 AM
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz287/jasontillberg/GunPics133.jpg
SPECS: BCM 11.5 upper w/ KAC URX II, BCM auto BCG and BCM Gunfighter CH (mod 4), KAC handstop, KAC micro rear sight, T1 w/ Larue high mount, 6P with tape switch, "textured" tan Ergo rail covers/ladders at 3 and 9 o'clock and KAC rail cover at 6 o'clock, Anvil Arms lower (Reg'd AW), 30rnd PMAG, BAD, MS2 sling.

hoodrat
01-26-2010, 8:36 AM
till44, how do you like the 11" upper? it seems folks prefer teh shorter ones. I'm debating this myself. 7" or 10" hmmmm. I'm thinking the 7" right now.

FYI anyone one want to loan a fellow CG'r a bobsled? PM me if you have one sitttin arround, you will get it back.

Has anyone converted a regular mag to a single shot to get past the rules?

glock_this
01-26-2010, 8:46 AM
I have a sled I would consider loaning BUT consider buying one of these (http://www.metaldogtactical.com/prlorevibl.html) - it is as cheap as us sending a sled back and fourth AND you get something you can actually use in the future. I made a sled, but then ended up doing this on my build and didn't use my sled.

as for 7 or 11, I took the 7 route as I wanted a pistol, not so much an SBR which is what I felt like 11 was. I wanted as small and light as possible.

till44
01-26-2010, 1:09 PM
till44, how do you like the 11" upper? it seems folks prefer teh shorter ones. I'm debating this myself. 7" or 10" hmmmm. I'm thinking the 7" right now.

FYI anyone one want to loan a fellow CG'r a bobsled? PM me if you have one sitttin arround, you will get it back.

Has anyone converted a regular mag to a single shot to get past the rules?

My first upper was a 7.5 barrel. It was fun, compact, loud, and had huge fireballs but not accurate. I wanted to hit targets accurately at 50 yards without having to bench rest the gun. The 7.5 was also a bit more finicky with cheap russian ammo. I bought a 10.5 that was a big improvement and just recently upgraded to the 11.5.

I love this gun. It is a blast to shoot drills with, as it is fast on target, light, and easy to manuever. I may get another 7.5 down the run for strictly a "range toy" but the 11.5 or 10.5 is way more practical if you want a gun that will perform. But that's just my opinion...

hoodrat
01-27-2010, 11:34 AM
Glockthis, Thanks, I went ahead and modified a 10 rnd mag. Pulled out the fallower and dremelled it into a bland shape. Took the spring out installed a block to keep the fallower tight to the top of the mag lips. done. took it to teh ffl and they said it was good to go. sent it to aws in Wyoming. Cory will intall the seld and the bb. put on my new DC7 upper from pws bought from DCG arms, and now I just wait.

hoodrat
01-27-2010, 3:00 PM
My first upper was a 7.5 barrel. It was fun, compact, loud, and had huge fireballs but not accurate. I wanted to hit targets accurately at 50 yards without having to bench rest the gun. The 7.5 was also a bit more finicky with cheap russian ammo. I bought a 10.5 that was a big improvement and just recently upgraded to the 11.5.

I love this gun. It is a blast to shoot drills with, as it is fast on target, light, and easy to manuever. I may get another 7.5 down the run for strictly a "range toy" but the 11.5 or 10.5 is way more practical if you want a gun that will perform. But that's just my opinion...

Thanks till44, what kind of upper was your 7"? I did go ahead and buy pws DC7 "Diablo" without the Vltor mur upper receiver. It got good reviews for accuracy. I will let you know how she shoots. It's nice to know someone is doing drills with there "little evil's", I am looking forward to running mine through a couple of my pistol and carbine curriculum's to see how she fairs. Hopefully, I'll be able to come up with a course for these bad boys something like you would find with an smg.

till44
01-27-2010, 3:23 PM
It was a mix of parts. RRA upper, ER Shaw barrel, YHM rail and FH, and BCM BCG. I'm sure you'll have no problem with the "Diablo". I think my main problems just came from short stroking due to weak ammo.

247Nino
02-13-2010, 12:11 AM
well she finally found a suitable case, with adequate padding at that!

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3117/nin6503.jpg

Serpentine
02-13-2010, 1:35 PM
well she finally found a suitable case, with adequate padding at that!

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3117/nin6503.jpg

I'd sure like to have one of those! Beautiful!

Can someone educate me on how these pass legal muster, being that the magazine is in front of the trigger and the overall length seems to me to be an SBR? Not doubting that you guys have thoroughly looked into this, I just need to be brought up to date if someone is so willing.

Thank you,
Barry

ke6guj
02-13-2010, 1:52 PM
I'd sure like to have one of those! Beautiful!

Can someone educate me on how these pass legal muster, being that the magazine is in front of the trigger and the overall length seems to me to be an SBR? Not doubting that you guys have thoroughly looked into this, I just need to be brought up to date if someone is so willing.

Thank you,
Barry

If it never had a shoulder stock, it never was a rifle, and if it was never a rifle, it can't be a short-barreled rifle.

As for the magazine being in front of the trigger, there is no law against that. There is a AW reg that states that semi-automatic pistols that have a detachable magazine that is not located in the pistol grip is an AW. But these pistols do not have detachable magazines, so that AW reg does not apply. Look at the handgun flowchart to see how the laws apply to the legality of the handgun, http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

Serpentine
02-13-2010, 3:51 PM
If it never had a shoulder stock, it never was a rifle, and if it was never a rifle, it can't be a short-barreled rifle.

As for the magazine being in front of the trigger, there is no law against that. There is a AW reg that states that semi-automatic pistols that have a detachable magazine that is not located in the pistol grip is an AW. But these pistols do not have detachable magazines, so that AW reg does not apply. Look at the handgun flowchart to see how the laws apply to the legality of the handgun, http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

Thank you ke6guj,

Have there been any challenges, confiscations, charges or convictions on this?

Thanks again,
Barry

Gio
02-15-2010, 8:42 PM
Finally! Well I finally finished my AR Pistol. Forgot to mount the EOTech 552 but it is done for now.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/eastbaysti/Draco/IMG_2704.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/eastbaysti/Draco/IMG_2702.jpg

-Gio

pacrimguru
02-15-2010, 8:53 PM
so excited that you forgot to mount your eotech? lol

congrats gio, this build looks great.

Acorn556
02-15-2010, 8:53 PM
Finally! Well I finally finished my AR Pistol. Forgot to mount the EOTech 552 but it is done for now.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/eastbaysti/Draco/IMG_2704.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/eastbaysti/Draco/IMG_2702.jpg

-Gio

Is this the new toy?

nearsightednate
02-15-2010, 9:02 PM
I love the look of this!

Can you give us a parts list?

Thanks!

well she finally found a suitable case, with adequate padding at that!

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3117/nin6503.jpg

zum
02-15-2010, 9:05 PM
congrats gio on your early B-DAY present... quite a slammin deal you got on it too huh?

Gio
02-15-2010, 9:10 PM
so excited that you forgot to mount your eotech? lol

congrats gio, this build looks great.That's my story and I am sticking to it :D

Is this the new toy?Yup :43:

congrats gio on your early B-DAY present... quite a slammin deal you got on it too huh?Early b-day present? My b-day was the 4th, but the party is the 21st :D

-Gio

247Nino
02-15-2010, 9:19 PM
Finally! Well I finally finished my AR Pistol. Forgot to mount the EOTech 552 but it is done for now.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/eastbaysti/Draco/IMG_2704.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/eastbaysti/Draco/IMG_2702.jpg

-Gio
Sorry Gio, that thing is ugly, give it to me tomorrow and I'll make sure your eyes suffer no more!;)

I love the look of this!

Can you give us a parts list?

Thanks!
Thanks Nate!

Stark SE-2 Pistol Grip
CAA saddle
7.5 Kitty Kat Upper with Troy Rail
Vortex Strikeforce
Noveske KX3
Magpul Rail Covers

Gio
02-15-2010, 9:35 PM
Nino, bring your camera out tomorrow and do it some justice :43:

-Gio

wildhawker
02-16-2010, 12:13 AM
Damn Gio, nice build!

glock_this
02-16-2010, 8:37 AM
Finally! Well I finally finished my AR Pistol. Forgot to mount the EOTech 552 but it is done for now.

-Gio

nice... congrats

I love shooting my pistol more than my other 2 full rifles.

Gio
02-16-2010, 9:08 AM
Damn Gio, nice build!He he, thanks, there went the money for the XL650 I made back from selling it ;)

nice... congrats

I love shooting my pistol more than my other 2 full rifles.I am the same way except it was with my AK Pistol instead :D I sold all my AK Rifles since I use the Pistol so much more :43:

-Gio

Vinz
02-16-2010, 10:45 AM
bad assss gio.


vinz

Gio
02-17-2010, 12:51 PM
Thanks Nino for taking this shot of my AR Pistol yesterday. Glad you liked it, I found out I need to run a Heavy Buffer, that is why it was Short Storking :D

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/eastbaysti/Draco/_NIN6569.jpg
Nice shot, I see my Draco underneath it too! :43:

-Gio

veterosa
02-19-2010, 9:07 AM
Every time I shoot my AR pistol, everyone stops by to ask what I'm shooting and if they can give it a try :D. This baby is LOUD and spits fireballs to boot.

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww170/fonionrings/IMG_1926.jpg

This might have been discussed before but what are the legalities of CAA saddle to be construed as buttstock on a pistol? I like to put one on my 2nd pistol.

zum
02-19-2010, 10:37 AM
This might have been discussed before but what are the legalities of CAA saddle to be construed as buttstock on a pistol? I like to put one on my 2nd pistol.

I would THINK its ok since it does NOT alow you to rest it on your shoulder like a BUTTSTOCK would.

What we really need is a letter or official definition of what DOJ considers a BUTTSTOCK once we have that we can say

see its not a buttstock per... exibit A :)

anything like that out there???????????

Gio
02-19-2010, 10:57 AM
The saddle in the eyes of some people say that is it a stock, others do not see it that way. As far as a letter from DOJ/ATF regarding them I have not seen one yet.

To me it is not a stock as per the reading of a stock. It is simply a cheek rest, also now that I have my own AR Pistol I have found it to be to close to my face to try and use the end of the buffer on my shoulder. You cannot get a good view on the rear site, I forgot my EOTech at home and used my AR Pistol with only MBUS' on it and I came tot he conclusion that putting the rear of the buffer tube on my cheek was the sweet spot.

Anyways, be careful when out because some people do not know about the Legality of AR and AK Pistols. I have been asked several times now, and even a good friend of mine was out with both types. For his AK they would not allow him to use 10 round mags, but had no problems with hium using 10 rounders in his AR Pistol :laugh:

-Gio