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C.W.M.V.
08-23-2015, 7:55 PM
My last range outing was disheartening in that fully 1 in 5 rounds of my GT failed to ignite. Even with nice deep primer impacts it simply fails to fire.
On the other hand out of the same weapon Yugoslavian M67 functioned 100%, not even a whiff of a problem with it.
Weapons are 10.5 inch AR pistols. LMT bolts.
I know someone will say stronger springs or modded firing pin, but if that was an issue the yugo wouldn't have fired so well, would they?

beanz2
08-23-2015, 8:16 PM
I've only had one GT 7.62x39 that failed to ignite out of maybe 3000 rounds I have shot. This was about 2 year ago before I switched to mainly shooting 5.45. It was in an RD-modified Saiga that otherwise has been 100% reliable.

Was yours a recent shipment from SGA? Too bad my habit is to put the boxes in a USGI can and throw away the carton, so I can't figure out the batch number.

If you saved the failed rounds, try shooting them from an AK and see . . .

dtrump
08-23-2015, 8:19 PM
I had 2 failures about 3 weeks ago out of a half case i picked up (only went through about half of it) the primers qere noticeably deeper though.

C.W.M.V.
08-23-2015, 9:23 PM
Didn't notice anything different with the primers, I should have looked closer.
Unfortunately I also sick it away in 50 cal cans. No idea of lot number bit out was from sga circa 2012.
I wish I had kept them to see if my Arsenal or wasr would shoot them.

MontClaire
08-23-2015, 9:25 PM
This ammo is not made for AR platforms.

C.W.M.V.
08-23-2015, 9:33 PM
Not this **** so early in the thread. Move along.
Neither were 308, 7mm-08, 9mm, .45acp, 22lr etc etc.

Junkie
08-24-2015, 10:20 AM
This ammo is not made for AR platforms.Why is that? They've historically made .223, is that not for AR platforms?

cedew
08-24-2015, 10:31 AM
Maybe he's just saying the round wasn't originally designed yada yada yada. No matter, it's like an engine, you just need the basic principles and it will run. Does the LMT bolt come with an enhanced firing pin?

FeuerFrei
08-24-2015, 10:31 AM
Military spec com bloc type ammo can sometimes fail to go bang due to HARD primers.
Usually this shows up with lighter hammer springs/hammer mods.
I have seen NATO surplus ammo do this too.
The AK and SKS types have no subtlety with regard to smacking hard primers.
It's a feature, not a bug.

GT has good CS. Send ammo back. Call them.

C.W.M.V.
08-24-2015, 11:46 AM
Which is what makes me think the ammo is bad. The milsurp stuff went bang every time, the GT didn't.
If I'm not mistaken, and I may well be, the tail of the lmt bolt is slightly shorter than usgi to allow deeper firing pin protrusion.

ratled
08-24-2015, 5:30 PM
This ammo is not made for AR platforms.

And the round knows what it is being fired from how?

Sorry to hear this OP, any signs on the rounds that it is not factory fresh?

My AR15s LOVE the GT x39... from SG ammo. Keep us posted

ratled

2761377
08-24-2015, 5:50 PM
^^^ you have the relationship reversed- the weapon knows what it's firing, and doesn't like it.

this problem equation has two variables- gun and ammo. Golden Tiger enjoys a sterling reputation; ar pistols???

a lot more evidence is needed to convince me the ammo is at fault.

C.W.M.V.
08-24-2015, 6:35 PM
The fact that yugo milsurp works flawlessly out of the same gun does nothing for you?

beanz2
08-24-2015, 6:50 PM
The only way to prove it is to fire the un-ignited rounds in an AK and see. We all love Golden Tiger, but the only 7.62x39 round that failed to ignite in my AK was Golden Tiger. I have tried most of the other commercial x39 rounds, Yugo and Russian milsurps out of mine. All of them, except for the one GT, went bang.

CWMV, what other brands have you fired from your rifle?

Bigtwin
08-24-2015, 7:47 PM
OP, I personally have not had a bad round from GTx39. Though I have only used it in my AK platform. Around 3000 rounds of many different imports in the last four years.
Not sure how that translates to an AR. And any issues that may happen.

jjmichael
08-24-2015, 9:41 PM
ar?

C.W.M.V.
08-24-2015, 9:43 PM
Next time I go to the range I'm definitely bringing an AK with me for just this.
I guess I'll buy some tula too, as all I have stockpiled are GT and M67.

MontClaire
08-24-2015, 9:46 PM
Why is that? They've historically made .223, is that not for AR platforms?

They made golden tiger .223 for their AK platform. ;)
The fact that you can run it in your AR is just good compatibility.

beanz2
08-29-2015, 11:47 PM
Here's an interesting info on another person with problems with GT:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2769541&postcount=56
Is this someone here on Calguns?

He reports his primers are sitting too deep in the case:
http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q563/THESGL/GT-FTF_zpsvmk8hokp.png

Not saying GT is bad ammo, it is still one of my two top 7.62x39 rounds I store. But to find one that failed is like getting an unreliable Toyota...

C.W.M.V.
08-30-2015, 12:10 AM
Hey good find, thank you.
I suppose that with any massive automated manufacturing some duds are bound to get through.
I've ordered some of the enhanced firing pins for the platform and will see if they help next time around, and of course I'm taking the Arsenal with me on my next trip as well.
I'll update when that happens, sadly I didn't bother to look at primer depth.

ar15barrels
08-30-2015, 12:31 AM
I know someone will say stronger springs or modded firing pin, but if that was an issue the yugo wouldn't have fired so well, would they?

The firing pins with more protrusion help with ignition on rounds where the primers are set deeper so if you had no problems with ammo with flush primers and then went to different ammo with deep-set primers, the longer firing pin would certainly help.

ar15barrels
08-30-2015, 12:33 AM
The fact that yugo milsurp works flawlessly out of the same gun does nothing for you?

It proves that it's different ammo.