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Steyr_223
07-11-2008, 9:12 PM
Knives are next to go...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7502569.stm

Measures to tackle knife crime will be announced next week following recent stabbings in London and the Midlands, the prime minister has said.

Gordon Brown said the attacks - which are not linked - were "shocking and tragic". He promised a cross-government youth crime plan would be published.

On Thursday four men were stabbed to death in London and a fifth died after a stabbing in West Bromwich.

A man stabbed in north-west London on Friday remains critically ill.

In a written statement Mr Brown said he had spoken to Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Ian Blair about the stabbings in London.

"I know the police are doing everything in their power to bring those responsible to justice," he said.

"The terrible stabbings that have occurred this week are shocking and tragic, and my thoughts are with the families and friends of those who have been hurt or killed in these attacks," he added.


The fear is that the attention that [knife crime] is now getting may almost be leading to a sort of copycat effect
Criminologist Marian Fitzgerald

Timeline: Four deaths in one day

He said the youth crime plan, which the government had been working on over recent months, would include new enforcement measures, improvements to sentencing.

A "new approach to youth crime prevention" would involve "tough parenting programmes targeted on areas with the most problems," he said.

"We will continue to make absolutely clear that carrying a knife is unacceptable in our society," he said.

On Thursday a 19-year-old was killed in an attack in Edmonton, north London, while two men in their 20s died a few miles away in Leyton and Walthamstow, east London.

A man aged 42 was found fatally wounded in Tottenham High Road, Tottenham, north London.

The day saw further fatal stabbings in West Bromwich in the West Midlands and Crosby, Merseyside. On Friday a man was wounded in north-west London.

He was left critically ill with wounds to his back and stomach after a stabbing in Brenthurst Road, Willesden.

'Pull together'

Earlier Sir Ian said the recent spate of stabbings "graphically illustrates the need for everyone to pull together to put an end to this unacceptable violence".

Last year the Metropolitan Police recorded 160 homicides - about three every week. To have four fatal stabbings in one day could be a statistical freak, said BBC correspondent Andy Tighe.

Knife crime is mainly concentrated in Britain's cities and in London it has been falling, just as murder and manslaughter have also declined.

We live in a greedy culture, we are rude to each other in the street. Children follow that
Sir Alan Steer
Government advisor and headteacher

Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Tim Godwin said: "I would hate anyone to think that all young people in London carry knives.

"We stopped 32,000 people in the main areas where we have concerns based on our intelligence. Out of those 32,000 searches, we've found 730 knives - so that's 2 in 100."

Home Office Minister Tony McNulty said there is a "stubborn residual of violent crime, including knives, around particularly some of our young people that is on an upward trend".

A Conservative Party spokeswoman said: "David Cameron outlined plans on Monday that would see a presumption to jail those caught carrying knives.

"This would upgrade the current system, which sees those caught with knives being let off with just a fine"

Criminologist Marian Fitzgerald told the BBC the police, politicians and the media only now seemed to be waking up to a problem which has been escalating since the mid-1990s.

"The fear is that the attention that it's now getting may almost be leading to a sort of copycat effect," she said.

Ms Fitzgerald - a visiting professor of Criminology at the University of Kent's Crime and Justice Centre - said this could be compounding what she called the "long-run rise in serious violence" in the UK.

'Greedy and rude'

Meanwhile, the government's advisor on behaviour in schools is preparing to outline a series of proposals on Monday, designed to put new pressure on parents to tackle children who behave badly.

Sir Alan Steer, headteacher of Seven Kings High School in Ilford, east London, said adults needed to set a better example if they want to halt the rise in gun and knife crime among teenagers.

"Sometimes as adults we don't model the behaviour we want youngsters to follow," he told The Guardian.

"We live in a greedy culture, we are rude to each other in the street. Children follow that."

Earlier this week Gordon Brown insisted ministers would take "any legislative measures" necessary to tackle knife crime.

The prime minister has argued that anyone over 16 caught with an illegal knife should be prosecuted, rather than escaping with a caution.

virulosity
07-11-2008, 9:25 PM
It doesn't matter what you ban, there will always be violence. Look at our prisons, people are getting stabbed with plastic utensils...

sorensen440
07-11-2008, 9:57 PM
buy they dont have any gun violence now right ?????

CalNRA
07-11-2008, 9:58 PM
It doesn't matter what you ban, there will always be violence. Look at our prisons, people are getting stabbed with plastic utensils...

clearly the only answer is to implement discretionarily issued licensing system to control privately owned toothbrushes.

bernieb90
07-12-2008, 12:59 AM
Same problem in Japan now people are using knives and vehicles as weapons. It is amazing how many people can be killed by a truck in a crowded place. The mind of a maniac is the most dangerous weapon of all. Unfortunately many of these places let let criminals roam the streets while self defense becomes a crime.

ViPER395
07-12-2008, 1:15 AM
California?

Unfortunately many of these places let let criminals roam the streets while self defense becomes a crime.

rustydog
07-12-2008, 1:53 AM
I'm sure that the ballistics tests on the knives will id the perps.

cbn620
07-12-2008, 3:03 AM
Hahaha

The joke always went, "Well if you ban the guns, when are you going to ban the knives? And if you ban the knives, when are you going to ban the..."

I guess I should have seen this day coming. Who wants to take a shot (pun intended) at what they're going to ban next? Sharp corners?

tunder
07-12-2008, 7:51 AM
This has been going on for years. From 2005.
UK: Reducing knife crime, We need to ban the sale of long pointed kitchen knives
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1411652/posts

Watch out- pointy sticks are next.

deleted by PC police
07-12-2008, 8:13 AM
This is what happens when you don't fix an issue you just try to put a bandaid on it. There is a reason we have such a high murder rate, lets figure that out and work on that but it's too easy to just ban guns, knifes, bats,.....

BroncoBob
07-12-2008, 8:35 AM
Maybe they can come up with type of legal CCW for kniives??? LOL

:rofl2:

outersquare
07-12-2008, 12:29 PM
Hahaha

The joke always went, "Well if you ban the guns, when are you going to ban the knives? And if you ban the knives, when are you going to ban the..."

I guess I should have seen this day coming. Who wants to take a shot (pun intended) at what they're going to ban next? Sharp corners?

toothbrushes, cause in prison, they make HIV tipped shanks out of them.

Satex
07-12-2008, 12:54 PM
This is what happens when you don't fix an issue you just try to put a bandaid on it. There is a reason we have such a high murder rate, lets figure that out and work on that but it's too easy to just ban guns, knifes, bats,.....

Almost correct. This is called treating the symptoms, not the disease. When you don't take care of the root cause or the problem, you end up perpetuating it.

Steyr_223
07-12-2008, 1:07 PM
I can see a ban on Martial Arts training in the UK soon..

:(

Mikeb
07-12-2008, 1:49 PM
straight-jackets all around. Then they will all be safe...till they starve.
Mike

Mike's Custom
07-12-2008, 2:08 PM
I have a friend that lives just outside london. knives have already been outlawed there. NO pocket knives or any weapon of any kind. Carring a screw driver in your pocket can get you into trouble. What we don't hear is that more people in England have been killed with non-firearms then before firearms were banned. They still have the same number of deaths with "other objects" but with no firearms (legally) the criminals that would use a firearm are now using different weapons.

A couple years ago a guy in London used a illegal firearms (he kept his instead of turning it in) to stop a hhome invasion. He shot the invader and was promptly arrested and thrown in jail. The invader then sued and won his case. His case was "lose of income". He said he was now afraid to go back to work for fear of being killed. The ciminal was released and the victim was put in jail for attempted murder. And you thought our justice system was out of wack.

BroncoBob
07-12-2008, 7:00 PM
Sad part about all this is that they let it happen. If we are not careful it will cross the big pond and get us.....

ldivinag
07-12-2008, 9:25 PM
i say just ban people...

that way people cant commit crimes...


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weezil_boi
07-12-2008, 10:11 PM
Ahhh, those silly Brits. Dont they know that if they would just require Knife locks be sold with all new knives crime will be curbed? Or that the best way to keep tabs on the sale/ transfer of knives is to require FFL transfer of them? Unless of course the knive is 50 years or older, then they could just C&R them. And last but not least, the pioneering law that should require all knive to be at least 30 inches... or else it would become an assault knife.

It would make watching the wife make dinner much more entertaining... goin Ginzu on the tomatos with a samurai sword :)

bernieb90
07-13-2008, 1:41 AM
Sounds to me like they need to ban all knives that don't imprint their serial number in the victim every time you stab them. Surely this will reduce crime.

Holocanthus
07-13-2008, 2:39 PM
A couple years ago a guy in London used a illegal firearms (he kept his instead of turning it in) to stop a hhome invasion. He shot the invader and was promptly arrested and thrown in jail. The invader then sued and won his case. His case was "lose of income". He said he was now afraid to go back to work for fear of being killed. The ciminal was released and the victim was put in jail for attempted murder. And you thought our justice system was out of wack.

Did I actually read that right? The criminal said in court that he was afraid to go back to "work" as in home invasions?!?

..."yes, your honor. I was shot and that makes me afraid to rob people now."

"Ok, then I sentence the home owner to jail, and now you can rob his house without fear."

grywlfbg
07-13-2008, 11:25 PM
This is what happens when you don't fix an issue you just try to put a bandaid on it. There is a reason we have such a high murder rate, lets figure that out and work on that but it's too easy to just ban guns, knifes, bats,.....

Ayup. If we legalized drugs in this country, violent crime incidents would plummet.

JimmyD
07-14-2008, 1:39 AM
sticks and stones may break my bones...
so lets ban em!

Mike's Custom
07-14-2008, 12:14 PM
Did I actually read that right? The criminal said in court that he was afraid to go back to "work" as in home invasions?!?

..."yes, your honor. I was shot and that makes me afraid to rob people now."

"Ok, then I sentence the home owner to jail, and now you can rob his house without fear."

Yep, you read it right. The criminal never said he didn't do it but that he shouldn't have been shot.