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necron99
07-09-2008, 4:19 PM
OK folks - I am here due to recent events:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=109407

I am the other half of the UAG business.

I now have a fellow from CA wanting to purchase a handgun - that is typicaly shipped with 20 rnd. magazines - and he says he is a LEO. The weapon appears to be on the DOJ handgun list. But what about the magazines?

Is there an exemption for 10+ magazine capacity to CA LEO's? I feel certain that I read about this somewhere, but I have not yet found the information. I assume the magazines need to ship to a particular type of dealer?

Anyway, I want to help this guy out, but he seems to know less about the process than I do. Where can I read about LEO's, hi-cap mags, and shipping them to CA?

Thanks in advance!

Shane916
07-09-2008, 4:30 PM
Is there an exemption for 10+ magazine capacity to CA LEO's? I feel certain that I read about this somewhere, but I have not yet found the information. I assume the magazines need to ship to a particular type of dealer?



Indeed. LEO are exempt.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/exemptpo.php

Policy Change Regarding State Exemptions for Authorized Peace Officers

Effective immediately, peace officers who have legislative authority to carry and use firearms may, without a letter signed by the head of their agency or the agency head's designee, purchase non-rostered handguns and/or large capacity magazines. The peace officer must present a valid peace officer identification card and the dealer must retain a copy of the identification card on file. (PC 12132 & 12133). A letter is still required from the head of the agency to exempt the peace officer from the ten day waiting period. (PC 12078).

zinfull
07-09-2008, 4:37 PM
I believe you are correct in requiring additional paper work to verify the dealer can accept hi-cap mags. It is then the FFL dealer who verifies who gets the magazines. per CA DoJ

The import of large capacity magazines into California or the export of large capacity magazines out of California will require a permit. Large Capacity Magazine Permits may be issued by the Department of Justice, upon request, only to firearms dealers who are listed on the Department of Justice (DOJ) Centralized List of Firearms Dealers.

Jerry

necron99
07-09-2008, 4:51 PM
Indeed. LEO are exempt.



Thanks for the info.

That the roster appears assembled to represent some form of safety testing.

Of course, this exemption tells me what it is really about.

Can anyone provide me with a source for the information regarding what type of dealer can receive the mags?

Thanks!

hoffmang
07-09-2008, 4:52 PM
OK folks - I am here due to recent events:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=109407

I am the other half of the UAG business.

I now have a fellow from CA wanting to purchase a handgun - that is typicaly shipped with 20 rnd. magazines - and he says he is a LEO. The weapon appears to be on the DOJ handgun list. But what about the magazines?

Is there an exemption for 10+ magazine capacity to CA LEO's? I feel certain that I read about this somewhere, but I have not yet found the information. I assume the magazines need to ship to a particular type of dealer?

Anyway, I want to help this guy out, but he seems to know less about the process than I do. Where can I read about LEO's, hi-cap mags, and shipping them to CA?

Thanks in advance!

Sworn California Law Enforcement Officers are exempt from both the safe handgun list and the magazine capacity limits.

As an out of state seller with an FFL you need to do three things.

1. Register w/ the CFLC program and get a shipping letter for the destination FFL. https://webapps.doj.ca.gov/cflc/index.jsp

2. Obtain from the LEO a faxed or emailed copy of his Law Enforcement Credentials.

3. Either ship everything to the CA FFL or ship the firearm to the CA FFL (don't forget to include the CFLC letter) and ship the magazines directly to the LEO's shipping address of his choosing.

That's it. Sorry for the couple of extra annoying steps, but it's not that hard.

-Gene

necron99
07-09-2008, 5:04 PM
Sworn California Law Enforcement Officers are exempt from both the safe handgun list and the magazine capacity limits.

As an out of state seller with an FFL you need to do three things.

1. Register w/ the CFLC program and get a shipping letter for the destination FFL. https://webapps.doj.ca.gov/cflc/index.jsp

2. Obtain from the LEO a faxed or emailed copy of his Law Enforcement Credentials.

3. Either ship everything to the CA FFL or ship the firearm to the CA FFL (don't forget to include the CFLC letter) and ship the magazines directly to the LEO's shipping address of his choosing.

That's it. Sorry for the couple of extra annoying steps, but it's not that hard.

-Gene

CFLC I have.

The rest seems like it is up to the LEO.

Thanks a bunch!

packnrat
07-09-2008, 5:16 PM
CFLC I have.

The rest seems like it is up to the LEO.

Thanks a bunch!

just cya, have a proper paper trail, that way you can show your did it right.

get proof he is realy a leo.

it would take time but contact the ca doj. they do reply......in time.


:TFH:

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Equalizer2
07-09-2008, 5:30 PM
A word of caution, please read this.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=109831