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gcvt
07-05-2008, 6:17 PM
I have what I believe to be a 20-25 year old Remington 870 Wingmaster 12ga with some serious rust on it.

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Photo #1 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_01.jpg)
Photo #2 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_02.jpg)
Photo #3 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_03.jpg)
Photo #4 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_04.jpg)
Photo #5 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_05.jpg)
Photo #6 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_06.jpg)

Can this be restored by a qualified gunsmith?

bear93445
07-05-2008, 6:28 PM
From your pictures this is just surface rust. It can be cleaned up with steel wool and elbow grease. The important parts would be internal, such as the barrel and chamber. Any good gunsmith should be able to put this back into working order; unless there is hidden damage. Good Luck

CSACANNONEER
07-05-2008, 6:32 PM
Unless it has sentamental value, I wouldn't put a lot of money into a gun that you can replace so cheaply. If I were you, I'd clean it up myself and just let the metal brown itself instead of blueing.

gcvt
07-05-2008, 6:48 PM
Well, there is some sentimental value here as the gun belonged to my Father. That's why I was thinking about taking it to a gunsmith and having it properly restored.

The rust on the barrel is considerably worse than what you see on the receiver, so that may be a total loss and may just have to be replaced with a new barrel. The bolt assembly, slide block, trigger assembly, and wood are in near perfect condition though.

If I were to take it to a gunsmith, any ideas on how much it would (should) cost to restore this to near-new condition?

CSACANNONEER
07-05-2008, 7:05 PM
I bet you could have it reblued for between $100 and $150. If you're in The City, why don't you throw it in your truck and take it out to the lake. Lake Merced, that is. There's a gunclub there and you should find a few people that can recommend where to get the work done at. Many of the guys there are shooting $5k and up guns so, they should know the best people to take it to.

REDHORSE
07-05-2008, 7:09 PM
Yea, surface rust. The surface will be etched/scarred. IMHO it would take a lot of work to hide most of the scarring. I don't think you'll completely get rid of it.

I would media blast it with aluminum oxide, Parkerize the metal, and then if you don't like the Parkerize look, you can have it painted. They even have paint that looks like bluing. The Parkerizing will mask some of the etching and make an excellent base for the paint.

Fjold
07-05-2008, 7:10 PM
Yep, replace the barrel.

It looks like the holes for the trigger assembly pins are in good shape so a bead blasting and bluing would take care of it

bohoki
07-05-2008, 8:11 PM
ive seen way worse come out looking good use lots of oil and some brass wool or a copper or brass brush

for the heavy scale use a penny preferably pre-1982

a little elbow grease will have it looking great

if there is bad looking areas after use one of the bluing pens

just keep if oiled or waxed after and learn to love the patena

Guns R Tools
07-05-2008, 8:42 PM
Can a part like this tumbled, if tumbler is big enough?

Thefeeder
07-05-2008, 8:49 PM
If you are in San Francisco....I can show you my wingmaster that was done with elbow grease... You can contact Remington for their reblue rates if you want a pro refinish. Figure to pay 175-200+spipping

I'll even show you how to get the rust off in person if interested.


O'l Trusty Rusty....downed a lot birds!

send a PM

SteveH
07-05-2008, 8:59 PM
I have what I believe to be a 20-25 year old Remington 870 Wingmaster 12ga with some serious rust on it.

Large photos...

Photo #1 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_01.jpg)
Photo #2 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_02.jpg)
Photo #3 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_03.jpg)
Photo #4 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_04.jpg)
Photo #5 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_05.jpg)
Photo #6 (http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/870_06.jpg)

Can this be restored by a qualified gunsmith?


Send it to Mac's Shootin Irons.

Hes running a special on 870s and does great work.

"For $165, you get all metal parts (Ex. springs & little pins) finished with our TG-1 finish in your choice of two of any of our four colors, all details and return shipping. (lower 48) Details include polishing the chamber, bore cleaning, burnishing a few pivot points to help it all run smoothly, etc. It's a complete job inside and out. "

SteveH
07-05-2008, 9:02 PM
http://www.shootiniron.com/PHOTOS.html

Mikeb
07-05-2008, 9:03 PM
+1 for brass wool . I have been told, haven't tried it, that soaking the parts in a mixture of molassas and water will remove the rust. it takes a while and gets sort of nasty, mold and scum but won't damage the metal. It's a chelateing thing. Id disassemble it, take pictures as you go if your not sure how to get it back together then get a piece of plastic pipe and a cap and soak it for a week in a bottle of molasses and a gallon of water. You can water your roses with the gunk when your done they will like it. then a little wet or dry sand paper and a cold blue and your good to go.
take care
Mike

g17owner
07-05-2008, 10:21 PM
I'd media blast it and hit it with some gunkote or moly. It wouldnt be hard and the finish would be pretty good.

drawn
07-05-2008, 10:29 PM
http://www.armoryairbrush.com/images/652_Bengal_Tiger_Wingmaster_30_.JPG

Pvt. Cowboy
07-05-2008, 10:48 PM
I would media blast it with aluminum oxide, Parkerize the metal, and then if you don't like the Parkerize look, you can have it painted.

That's what I'd do. That gun will never ever be right again if 'restoration' is the goal. I am sure some wizard gunsmith out there can prove me wrong, but they're gonna charge ten or twenty times what that gun is worth right now.

I am looking for a derelict old 870 in about that condition to turn into an SBS. Solvent tank it, dry it, run it through a blast cabinet, Parkerize it, then paint it Olive Drab and turn it into a 10" Shorty with a cut down GI barrel shroud and folding stock. Yee haw!

Pvt. Cowboy
07-05-2008, 10:50 PM
http://www.armoryairbrush.com/images/652_Bengal_Tiger_Wingmaster_30_.JPG

That is just awesome. Too bad you can't work on NFA guns. :mad:

bohoki
07-05-2008, 11:17 PM
don't buy a new barrel a new barrel costs half a new 870

i think this just has a case of the "case curse"

humidity/temperature changes causes condesation in a sealed or semi/sealed container

i bet the bore is still shiny as with the innards

see here
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/GunTech/NewsletterArchive.aspx?x=v&p=0&t=1&i=901&mc_ID=2013

drawn
07-06-2008, 7:33 AM
That is just awesome. Too bad you can't work on NFA guns. :mad:

I'm working on that.

Bird of Fire
07-06-2008, 9:06 AM
Use some white vinegar to aid in the rust removal as well. If you're lazy you can just submerge the part in it but keep an eye on it. Might take a couple of hours, but it will most assuredly remove the rust. It is an acid, so if you leave it in your garage for several weeks, it'll eat at the metal as well.

But a couple hours in a tank of vinegar won't hurt it at all. If I was you, I would then do duracoat. It's cheap, it's easier than you think, and can be applied in your garage. A starter kit is 49.95 or so and should have more than enough paint in it to redo your entire shotgun.

http://www.lauerweaponry.com/index.cfm?Category=218

I'd just reccomend that you use a dedicated air compressor and not the POS air can that comes in the kit. Bam. Refinished. Using this method you're looking at maybe 60-70 bucks including the vinegar and a weekend of your time. :)

Guntech
07-06-2008, 8:29 PM
Damn my Remington from the 50s and my Stevens from the 40s aren't even close to that bad, in fact they are mint compared to that. That said it can be repaired fairly easily as far as the rust goes, for rebluing if you want it to look great go to a professional.

sorensen440
07-06-2008, 9:03 PM
Damn my Remington from the 50s and my Stevens from the 40s aren't even close to that bad, in fact they are mint compared to that. That said it can be repaired fairly easily as far as the rust goes, for rebluing if you want it to look great go to a professional.

Rust is never due to age its mostly due to storage in moist invoirments or improper cleaning

I have a marlin 336 thats dated back to 56 and with the exeption of a large scratch near the end of the barrel you could believe it was brought home new from the store today
( well exept theres no saftey and its nicer then the ones i see in the stores )

weezil_boi
07-07-2008, 9:01 PM
I have what I believe to be a 20-25 year old Remington 870 Wingmaster 12ga with some serious rust on it.

Can this be restored by a qualified gunsmith?


Since your father gave it to you, Id say clean it up ( glass beads and reblue that bad boy). I really wish I had such a gun from my dad... (someday I'll have the springfield 03)... it woulld be so cool to pass on knowing you restored it.

My 1.5 cents ... do it yourself, so it really means something to you, who cares what it costs. Id pay $5000 right now for a gun my Grandfather had as a boy, regardless of what its really worth :)

sb_pete
07-08-2008, 12:20 AM
elbow grease and duracoat (or you could have it re-blued, guncote'd, etc.). Have fun:chris:!

I had a Gamo pellet gun once that got like that from 2.5 yrs of storage inside a soft case without any humidity protection. I just used fine grit wet sandpaper with water then re-oiled it. It took a few sessions of a couple hours each over the course of a few weeks, but the rust came off just fine. That old thing I just refinished with sharpie but I imagine you're looking for a nicer finish:rolleyes:

That said, have it checked by a gunsmith before shooting it to make sure it won't KB in your face:eek:

Hope that helps
-Pete

otteray
07-08-2008, 7:07 AM
#00000 steel wool drenched in oil, some elbow grease, but start lightly with the scrubbing pressure, using more as needed. I've done this on several firearms.
The previous copper penny idea is good, too.
Then, re-evaluate. It may look just fine.

Sydwaiz
07-08-2008, 7:55 AM
I'm willing to bet there is pitting below that rust. Reblue it and you'll just have blued pits unless you actually polish the surface down to remove them but you may lose the engraving that way. Personally, I would media blast it and parkerize it. The media blasting will give it a rough texture and hide or blend in the pitting if there is any. And then you can duracoat it black to get some glossiness back. It's going to cost you more than a new one though unless you can do it yourself.