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Liberty1
07-02-2008, 10:23 PM
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20080702_Gun_ruling_shines_spotlight_on_real_probl ems.html

Gun ruling shines spotlight on real problems
By CHARLES A. WILLIAMS III

I'M A CARD-carrying Democrat. Moreover, as a former co-chairman of Philadelphia Against Drugs, Guns and Violence, I abhor guns and the carnage they create.

While working with Operation Ceasefire, I helped to promote a program that promises a mandatory five years tacked onto a defendant's sentence when the defendant uses a gun in the commission of a crime.

Rally after rally and march after march, we would talk about the need to put down guns and "stop the violence" - but let me be clear, at no point did I believe that restricting an individual's rights to own a gun would improve the situation in the communities hardest hit by drug-related gun violence.

So, when the Supreme Court ruled last week that the rights of a U.S. citizen to own a gun for hunting and personal protection could not be infringed upon, thereby making Washington's gun law illegal, I wasn't the least bit upset.

I never felt so good about a decision rendered by the court's conservative majority. I never thought that I would agree with Associate Justices Scalia or Thomas. (I generally despise the two, on the basis of their legal renderings.)

But Thursday's ruling makes perfect sense to this Democrat. (Alito and Roberts were spot on as well.)

The court's conservative majority decided to ignore the liberals who believe that the only way to make our communities safer is to impose further gun restrictions on law-abiding Americans.

Essentially, the court upheld the Second Amendment, which is contained within the U.S.

Constitution, as . . . well . . .

constitutional.

In my opinion, the National Rifle Association has always been right (pun intended) on this issue. Wrong on most others, but right on this one.

And this ruling will force liberals to focus on the real reasons for gun violence.

At some point, liberals and anti-gun folks will have to realize that it is failing families, schools and communities that lead to drug-related gun violence, not guns purchased by law-abiding citizens.

Even if you examine straw purchases, the impact is infinitesimal when compared with the impact of poor education, absentee fathers and a community lacking a moral focus and appropriate priorities. All of these things lead a young person to make the wrong choices, which is at the heart of our gun violence problem in urban America.

By the way, the same can be said for this silly public-relations hoax that we call gun "buyback" programs. What a waste of time, energy and effort. There is no research to demonstrate that such programs lead to even a slight decrease in gun violence.

So, why do we do them? We do them because it allows incompetent politicians to feel as though they're doing something. They want to be able to go back to their under-informed constituents and say, Hey! Look at me. I'm doing something about the 400 murders, on average, in Philadelphia yearly, or the five or six gunshot victims a day! When they really aren't.

To add insult to injury, these ineffective buyback programs are usually supported by the very radio stations that are responsible for playing rap songs glorifying drug-dealing, homicide and gunplay. Hypocrisy, thy name is . . .

These are the kinds of

things you won't hear from Al Sharpton's mouth. These

are the words of truth, which many, though unwisely, choose to ignore.


IN OTHER WORDS, guns don't kill people - misguided, unloved, disconnected, uneducated, angry youth kill people. Youth without mentors and role models kill people.

So, those liberals who purport to really want to end senseless gun violence should focus on changing that unfortunate reality - instead of U.S. gun laws. *

Charles A. Williams III is a co-host of "Grimaldi vs. Williams" on the Big Talker 1210/AM. His Web site is drchuckspeaks.com.

CCWFacts
07-02-2008, 10:24 PM
Right on! We need some Democrats like him in this state. Hey Mr. Williams, the weather in this state is a lot better!

leitung
07-02-2008, 10:36 PM
Hold on..... A democrat with a brain...

Pinch me I MUST be dreaming......!!!!!!

SuperSet
07-02-2008, 10:39 PM
Can I get an Amen!! Someone who actually gets it!

ZapThyCat
07-02-2008, 10:43 PM
It's nice to see people that can see the truth for the truth, instead of toeing the party line, no matter how wrong.

And I speak for ANYONE, not just this guy.

Mikeb
07-02-2008, 10:43 PM
AMEN

bdsmchs
07-02-2008, 11:01 PM
The one thing most easily connected with "gun crime" that no politician wants to admit for fear of being politically incorrect: Poor/Poverty.

It's not just the densely packed urban areas that have crime. It's the POOR areas within that urban density.

When unemployment rates go up, crime goes up. When the poverty level goes up, crime goes up. This is the politically incorrect reality.

And it is very similar to the points laid out by this Philly politician. The reasons he cites are more prevalent in poor areas than they are "nice" areas.

It's nice that a politician "gets it". I've always maintained that the "gun problem" is not a problem about or because of guns but is instead a social problem. And you can't fix *ANY* social problem by just legislating it away.

Tyrius
07-02-2008, 11:50 PM
It's moments like this that make me think, "Thank God, there might be some hope for the Democratic Party after all."

I'd almost say it makes me proud, but then again, I don't really consider myself a Democrat and for every one person like him, there are ten who are frothing at the mouth because of the "disservice" the Supreme Court did this country. Yeesh.

Soldier415
07-03-2008, 12:29 AM
That about sums up the situation perfectly.

domokun
07-03-2008, 12:52 AM
+1 Amen!

cbn620
07-03-2008, 01:07 AM
I'm a non-partisan who used to be Democrat, and this is my stance as well. I'm left-libertarian and this has always been my stance when it comes to social issues related to gun violence. If we want to truly get progressive, we have to tackle the issues at their truest source. Gun ownership is not the defining source to base violent crime on. We need to focus our politics on other issues of greater social relevance. That's the only way gun crime will ever be brought down.

I mean take the Columbine kids. What would the outcome have been if we were simply a disarmed society? Would it have been any more favorable, really? No, because they'd find some nasty way to let their anger out onto society. The best thing that could have happened, the best solution to this problem before it happened, would have been to reach out to these types of kids. Or even better, we shouldn't be living in a society that alienates them in the first place; a school system that's only response to these issues is delay and deny.

These anti-gun violence lobby groups should be a bit more open-minded and broader in their stances. It's short-sighted and counter-productive to a liberal society to be so vehemently anti-gun when they should be anti-violence and anti-social injustice instead. And legislation/regulation is not going to be the solution in any case.

radioburning
07-03-2008, 01:19 AM
I believe that is what we've been saying all this time. 1 down, 10,000,000 to go...:cool:

PonchoTA
07-03-2008, 06:18 AM
Don't kid yourselves guys! When Mr. Williams says stuff like:

"At some point, liberals and anti-gun folks will have to realize that it is failing families, schools and communities that lead to drug-related gun violence, not guns purchased by law-abiding citizens.

Even if you examine straw purchases, the impact is infinitesimal when compared with the impact of poor education, absentee fathers and a community lacking a moral focus and appropriate priorities. All of these things lead a young person to make the wrong choices, which is at the heart of our gun violence problem in urban America."

those are not things that a Democrat would say. He's a closet Republican/Conservative! He just hasn't realized it yet! LOL!

"Card-carrying Democrat" my arse!

One down, how many to go??!!

RomanDad
07-03-2008, 06:43 AM
Don't kid yourselves guys! When Mr. Williams says stuff like:

"At some point, liberals and anti-gun folks will have to realize that it is failing families, schools and communities that lead to drug-related gun violence, not guns purchased by law-abiding citizens.

Even if you examine straw purchases, the impact is infinitesimal when compared with the impact of poor education, absentee fathers and a community lacking a moral focus and appropriate priorities. All of these things lead a young person to make the wrong choices, which is at the heart of our gun violence problem in urban America."

those are not things that a Democrat would say. He's a closet Republican/Conservative! He just hasn't realized it yet! LOL!

"Card-carrying Democrat" my arse!

One down, how many to go??!!

There are a lot of people who are registered democrats, who have nothing in common with the platform of their party any more.... The party left them (no pun intended) years ago, but theyre still voting for JFK & FDR.... (neither of whom would recognize todays democratic party as their own).

Sobriquet
07-03-2008, 07:58 PM
Right on! We need some Democrats like him in this state. Hey Mr. Williams, the weather in this state is a lot better!

You DO have some Democrats like him in the state.

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I've been saying this until I'm blue in the face: If you want to keep us (and make more of us), those of you who happen to be Republicans need to stop making cracks at our politics. It just reinforces the stereotype that we're a bunch of aggressive, violent, poorly-educated rednecks. Our right under the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms should NOT be a partisan issue. If you care more about your right than you do the advancement of your political party, we need to try to take the issue outside the realm of divisive politics.

The NRA could be doing a better job. In addition to depoliticizing the issue, they really need to learn to tailor their image and message for the different states. The image of responsible hunters that works in Iowa doesn't fly in Southern Cal. Instead, focusing on recreational sport shooting and valid self-defense by law abiding citizens is the better message.

cbn620
07-03-2008, 08:40 PM
There are a lot of people who are registered democrats, who have nothing in common with the platform of their party any more.... The party left them (no pun intended) years ago, but theyre still voting for JFK & FDR.... (neither of whom would recognize todays democratic party as their own).

I think the same thing could be said about many Republicans. Both of the major parties are heading in directions the old time greats of Republican and Democratic yesteryear would absolutely despise. Neo-cons and neo-liberals dominate the major parties. And the pundits and multinational corporations who own everything we see and hear (there are five of them, go figure) proliferate the ideals.

chris
07-03-2008, 10:00 PM
good article. and good points made by him. but the antis in this state will not listen. they will continue with business as usual and pass laws and let the courts sort them out. they have no repsect for the U.S. Constitution let alone the Bill of Rights. they hopefully one day see the error of their ways as law after law is challenged and hoepfully overturned and scrapped.

tgriffin
07-03-2008, 11:18 PM
OMFG bravo! rock on they are starting to get it!!!!

yellowfin
07-04-2008, 12:57 AM
good article. and good points made by him. but the antis in this state will not listen. they will continue with business as usual and pass laws and let the courts sort them out. they have no repsect for the U.S. Constitution let alone the Bill of Rights. they hopefully one day see the error of their ways as law after law is challenged and hoepfully overturned and scrapped.Politicians won't stop doing it until the people make them stop. The anti politicians do because the antis in the public egg them on to doing so and the opposition is insufficient. The won't see the error of their ways because their ways continue to pay. CHANGE THE PEOPLE and it won't pay to be on the antis side anymore.

eight8
07-04-2008, 09:16 AM
:)

"By the way, the same can be said for this silly public-relations hoax that we call gun "buyback" programs. What a waste of time, energy and effort. There is no research to demonstrate that such programs lead to even a slight decrease in gun violence."

These buy back plans are actually a good way for us gun owners to trade up and have the local politicians and goo goo anti-gun groups pay for it.

I have several friends that took advantage of the recent Oakland buy back. One friend got $500 for 2 cheap semi functioning hand guns - worth maybe $150 each if he could even sell them. He made a $200 profit, that money was used for a OLL AR15!

Hmmm, maybe I should buy every bolt action shotgun I see for $75 just to keep as a gun buy back throw down!

Full Clip
07-04-2008, 09:31 AM
Why can't we get a Dem like that in CA? Instead we're inundated by Feinsteins, Pelosis and Boxers... sheesh.