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J.A.G.
07-01-2008, 7:14 PM
So, I've been thinking about getting a 1911...well, not so much thinking about it but KNOW i'm going to get one, and was trying to decide between the Colt MKIV Series 70 or a SA Milspec.

Without even thinking about it, I figured the Colt was on the approved list, being as there is no real reason why it shouldn't be. However, when I looked at the list just now, I noticed it is NOT on there. Is this true? or can I possibly (hopefully) be reading the wrong/old list?

For one, it'll make my decision a HELL of a lot easier, on the down side, I really really wanted a Colt.

If anyone can shed light on this for me, I'd appreciate it.

Joe

m1match
07-01-2008, 7:19 PM
The Series 70 Colts are not on the list. At this time, only the 1991 Series 80, Defender, XSE 5" and Combat Commander, and 1991 Combat Commander all in .45 ACP are on the CA approved list. Because of the new requirements that new guns added to the list have a chamber load indicator and magazine disconnect, it's highly unlikely any other Colts will be added to the list.

swordknives
07-01-2008, 9:28 PM
Well i have a Colt 1991 (series 80) I bouught a year ago and I really like it. trigger is not as good as a Series 70 but it is still really good. The only place I could find one new was at fowlers. However if you dont mind picking up a used one you could do a PPT with a an used Series 70. what ever you do good luck.

J.A.G.
07-02-2008, 1:37 AM
thanks guys. what a bummer. After literally months of debating to myself which one I wanted to go with, I decided (thinking it was ok to get) I wanted the Colt. I have been hearing some GREAT things about their new Series 70's and was looking forward to it.

I guess the decision is made for me.

slowfire
07-02-2008, 5:17 AM
There are Series 70s out there, don't lose hope. If you find someone who is willing to part with theirs you can always do a PPT. This is a great Site for such, also look at 1911Forum, Gunbroker and THR. Best of luck.

yallknowho
07-02-2008, 1:32 PM
kerleys has a series 70
































for 1500 bucks.

ar15barrels
07-03-2008, 9:47 PM
kerleys has a series 70

for 1500 bucks.

About 10 years ago I picked up a series 70 for $400.
A few years later when Colt stopped selling AR's to civilians, I swore off Colt and sold the series 70 for $500.

I ended up with another series 70 frame recently when I bought it with a Springfield single-shot top end on it... :)

It's good to have another Colt 1911 again.

USN CHIEF
07-03-2008, 9:52 PM
My only concern with the SA 1911's is their rear sights. Today I heard some many people complain on how easy the rear sights become loose. To a person like me that does not have the tools to endure that it stays in place that sucks big time. Good luck in finding a 70's Colt.

FlyingPen
07-03-2008, 11:02 PM
I saw one on consignment today in ASC but their consignment guns move very fast. It was $900 and looked to be in pretty condition. Definitely not new but not all scratched up either.

J-cat
07-04-2008, 8:05 AM
A Springer is a great substitute. You'll save so much money, you'll be able to afford the tools to fix it.

Pryde
07-04-2008, 8:35 AM
Get the colt series 80 in the marketplace.

The 80 is as good as the 70, it just has the FP safety.

If you get a springfield you are gonna have to change out all the MIM small parts and crap 2 piece barrel, so you aren't saving that much.

J-cat
07-04-2008, 8:50 AM
But Colt uses MIM and plastic. It's a wash, other than the FP block.

yallknowho
07-05-2008, 6:06 PM
About 10 years ago I picked up a series 70 for $400.
A few years later when Colt stopped selling AR's to civilians, I swore off Colt and sold the series 70 for $500.

I ended up with another series 70 frame recently when I bought it with a Springfield single-shot top end on it... :)

It's good to have another Colt 1911 again.

nice :cool:

trashman
07-05-2008, 6:29 PM
But Colt uses MIM and plastic. It's a wash, other than the FP block.

That's right -- my 9mm "Loaded" has a one-piece barrel, and my early .45 loaded Springer has the two-piece braised barrel -- and I've got thousands upon thousands of rounds through that gun -- carried it for miles in the backcountry (til it was replaced by my .44 Mag Trail Boss); it's a damn accurate stock 1911.

And if anything breaks, Springfield will make it right (lifetime warranty).

Not to take anything away from Colt -- I will be gifted one of their S70 repros (technically a PRE-70 reproduction, but whatever) someday from my out-of-state relatives -- but their inability to cough up the Safe Handgun List renewal fee to CA DOJ (resulting in an embarrassingly small list of available guns to buy from them) irks me not a little.

--Neill

FlyingPen
07-05-2008, 8:31 PM
But Colt uses MIM and plastic. It's a wash, other than the FP block.

I think I heard Colt uses significantly fewer MIM parts?

SubSolar
07-05-2008, 10:09 PM
I think I heard Colt uses significantly fewer MIM parts?

True. It only uses 3 MIM parts.

http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=33440

I bought a Colt XSE Government last year for seven hundred something online and have had 0 issues with it. My first 1911.

J-cat
07-06-2008, 3:34 PM
It don't cost much to replace 1911 innards.

Pryde
07-06-2008, 6:49 PM
It don't cost much to replace 1911 innards.

You kidding me?
If you are buying quality, bar stock parts, it will cost you about $25-30 apiece.
If you are replacing the MIM slide stop, bushing, guide rod, hammer etc. in a lower quality 1911, you would be spending at least $100.

To me, it would be worth it to buy Colt because:
1: Fewer parts that need to be replaced
2: Proudly made in the USA from US parts

J-cat
07-06-2008, 7:18 PM
$100 ain't much.

Milspec Springer = $600

Colt= $800

FlyingPen
07-06-2008, 7:25 PM
Colt will keep it's value much longer though.

X-NewYawker
07-06-2008, 7:27 PM
I had three series 70 COlts -- back when they REALLY made those things well. Now I think the Springfields and the Kimbers are as good as now COlts (SA makes a base model), I've shot THOUSANDS of round through all three brands, almost ALL 230 hardball full house loads.

Here is Hoag longslide I had made out of Series 70 Gold Cup:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Long-Hoag.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Hoag-Long-Slide.jpg

Here's new Springfield TRP OP and Kimbers I have now --

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_1924.jpg

Pryde
07-06-2008, 8:31 PM
Colt will keep it's value much longer though.

Colt's also seem to run a lot better out of the box (modern ones)

I never see any threads where people are looking to diagnose problems with their Colts, but every month I see threads posted by people asking why their Springfields won't seem to run properly.

I know springfield has great customer service, but I would rather someone sell me a lump of gold and give me crappy customer service than someone sell me a turd and tell me they will happily fix anything that is wrong with it.

From my experience, the only mass produced 1911s that run 100% out of the box are Colts and Norincos.
You are just rolling the dice with anything else.