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emc002
07-01-2008, 4:49 PM
1st, here's the specs on the rifle this will sit on:

CMMG 14.5" Midlength MedCon w/A2 Front Sight
LCW OLL
Stag LPK w/JP Trigger Springs
Magpul CTR
Falcon Ergo Grip
GG&G UFIR w/ GG&G VFG

Right now I have a detachable carry handle and this rifle is very accurate, but I'd like to try something different...

I know I don't want an EoTech, I tried a few at Area 52, they're not for me.
I know I don't need a Trijicon ACOG since this rifle doesn't need to shoot beyond 200 yards (I have other ARs for that).

So, which of these would you choose?
Aimpoint M3 - 2MOA $400
Aimpoint ML2 - 4MOA $300
Aimpoint Micro T-1 4MOA $410

brando
07-01-2008, 5:00 PM
From my experience, if you're planning to shoot targets at 200m, a 4MOA dot will obscure the target. Smaller is better.

bobfried
07-01-2008, 9:42 PM
From my experience, if you're planning to shoot targets at 200m, a 4MOA dot will obscure the target. Smaller is better.

I find that my old M2 with a 4 MOA dot was just perfect for everything 300 meters and closer in, beyond that it wasn't that great. You can easily hit a man size target with a 4 MOA dot all day long at 300 meters, with enough practice you can go out to 600 meters. Remember that unless your shooting at 25 meters or 300 meters with M855 the dot is never exactly over the target. Heck once you go out past 350 meters the dot isn't even on the target anymore.

I just got a T-1 awhile back and it's the best red-dot IMO out of all the ones out there. The housing is so small and thin it practically disappears, it might as well not be there at all. The fact that it's half the weight of the M2, smaller and has a longer battery life are just bonuses for me. Pretty much everyone that has tried one agrees it trumps everything else by a long shot. Matter of fact, the only voices of dissent I have heard are from people who have never tried one and it's always about how they think it's too tall (with the Larue mount) and big. Which is of course completely idiotic and just shows them to be extra-queer since it's shorter, lighter, thinner than a comparable M2.

Not sure where you are getting $410 for a Micro T-1 as that seems a bit fishy. The MSRP is well into the $650 range and most advertised specials are well into the $550 range. I do know of one source outside the .gov that is selling them for under $500 and about $560 with a Larue mount. But even that source is nowhere near the $410 price your listing.

emc002
07-02-2008, 8:14 AM
Not sure where you are getting $410 for a Micro T-1 as that seems a bit fishy. The MSRP is well into the $650 range and most advertised specials are well into the $550 range. I do know of one source outside the .gov that is selling them for under $500 and about $560 with a Larue mount. But even that source is nowhere near the $410 price your listing.

EBay ($510) with the 20% Live.com referral discount = about $410.

brando
07-02-2008, 10:00 AM
Agreed on the T-1 Micro - it's my new favorite RDS. It kills me that now, in 2008 I can have a carbine with both a compact, lightweight RDS (T-1) and light (X200). Fifteen years ago my CAR-15 had an Aimpoint 1000 mounted on the carry handle and a maglight strapped to the barrel....and THAT was high speed ;)

On the 4MOA dot, your mileage may vary. I just know that the dot completely covered a 12" target poking around a corner at 200 yards - the reason I switched to EOTechs for many years.

maxicon
07-02-2008, 2:32 PM
I haven't tried the T1 micro, but it's the hot ticket these days. Even the old school Aimpoint fans are jumping over to them.

If I was prepared to drop that much on a CQB optic today and didn't want any magnification, I'd get the T1, no doubt.

emc002
07-02-2008, 2:43 PM
The 4MOA dot is my only hold up on the T-1, I'd really prefer 2MOA.

SuperSet
07-02-2008, 2:50 PM
Supposedly they're working on the 2MOA version.
While they're at it, it would be kinda cool to see if AimPoint comes out with another magnifier or a variable scope.

emc002
07-11-2008, 1:54 PM
Well, I couldn't wait and ended up with a ML3 2MOA for $324.50 delivered, NIB.
(Thanks Live.com 25% discount!)

Saigon1965
07-11-2008, 2:00 PM
What didn't you like about the EOTech?

emc002
07-11-2008, 2:07 PM
What didn't you like about the EOTech?

I didn't acquire as fast because I was distracted by it's openness and stuff I'd see on the periphery of the sight picture (outside the edges of the EOTech).

I tried both and Aimpoint was just what worked better for me. YRMV.

Saigon1965
07-11-2008, 2:11 PM
I am opposite, I find the EO much faster for me. I have both on different platforms. Sure would like to try out the Micro though.