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depmac983ret
06-29-2008, 2:22 PM
Went to a Local FFL here in Sacramento to do a FTF/PPT, straight trade, no cash involved. The Price was $36.00 for EACH involved party=$72.00. My Trading buddy, (both of us are Calgunners) said CADOJ said $35.00 was the max that could be charged. They STRONGLY dissagreed We decided to do business with someone else. Whats the bottom line here? Were we wrong??

Soldier415
06-29-2008, 2:28 PM
The price is $35 per FTF/PPT Transfer. No argument

If you were each transferring a gun, then it would have been $70...$35 for each FTF transfer.

Turbinator
06-29-2008, 2:41 PM
Willing to say which Sac store was trying to charge you 2x?

Turby

Moonclip
06-29-2008, 2:41 PM
Who was this FFL?

The SoCal Gunner
06-29-2008, 2:41 PM
The price is $35 per FTF/PPT Transfer. No argument

If you were each transferring a gun, then it would have been $70...$35 for each FTF transfer.

+1. Each handgun needs its own DROS so you guys would be paying for one each.

While the $36 is wrong, I'm not understanding if you and your buddy wanted to pay $35 total or if you guys were arguing over the extra $1 per transfer.

DrunkSkunk
06-29-2008, 2:42 PM
FFL?

5150Marcelo
06-29-2008, 2:43 PM
+1. Each handgun needs its own DROS so you guys would be paying for one each.

yup

JTROKS
06-29-2008, 3:03 PM
I've been charged $50 a couple of times. I know a guy in Martinez that will do PPT for $30. With the price of gas, I think $5 or less will not matter if they are right around the corner. What I don't get is, there are some that still insist on a receipt for a purchased approved lock. Oh! yeah they happen to sell the lock and the cheapest one is almost $15. Yup! In Sacramento and a big sporting goods store. The FFL I use in Vallejo charges $35 for PPT, but he'll provide the lock if the buyer doesn't have one. If you want the info of these FFLs let me know.

depmac983ret
06-29-2008, 3:16 PM
We both had locks so they couldn't charge for that. Our refusal was on principal, we KNEW we were right, after all were Calgunners:) The guy behind the counter said "DOJ told US that is what were supposed to charge", when we challenged his statement his reply was " If you want us to do it" (transfer)your gonna pay $36.00 each.The extra dollar was not the issue, the extra attitude was. It's an indoor range/retail store and the only reason we went OUT OF OUR WAY to Elk Grove was; they are open on Sundays! Prices are high as well:)

Shane916
06-29-2008, 3:17 PM
What I don't get is, there are some that still insist on a receipt for a purchased approved lock. Oh! yeah they happen to sell the lock and the cheapest one is almost $15. Yup! In Sacramento and a big sporting goods store.

I happen to know of a store that does that :p

Shane916
06-29-2008, 3:20 PM
Prices are high as well:)

That they are! I'd recommend going to J&G. They are so friendly and helpful and are more then happy to do PPT's.

depmac983ret
06-29-2008, 3:44 PM
I like the guys at RCGE on Fruitridge!

Shane916
06-29-2008, 3:45 PM
I like the guys at RCGE on Fruitridge!

Oh yeah so true! I just wish they were closer :(

depmac983ret
06-29-2008, 3:48 PM
You COULD move to South Side LOLLOL!

depmac983ret
06-29-2008, 3:53 PM
Shane916,check for PM!

CHS
06-29-2008, 4:32 PM
The law doesn't say that you can't return the gun lock the next day. Or the next hour.

Keep the receipt.
Leave the store with it.
Return to the store, and present receipt and lock, tell them you don't need it anymore and you'd like to return it.

tunder
06-30-2008, 8:02 AM
http://www.customreceipt.com/index.php

Wonderwhippet
06-30-2008, 8:10 AM
I believe you are not permitted to bring in your own lock. It must be a new one provided by the dealer. Many have the free locks they give away, , but others like to sell them at a profit.

AngelDecoys
06-30-2008, 8:16 AM
Went to a Local FFL here in Sacramento to do a FTF/PPT, straight trade, no cash involved.

Here's the FFL list (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=63050) with Fees. Shop around.

Law says $35 total for PPTs, or $70 for both guns.

My guess is the Sac. FFL I know will do both for $50 ($25 plus $25 dros = $50 total). You would have to call him to be sure. He's only in his office part time. I'll PM you the info. Better to email him however since he's packed all day.

dfletcher
06-30-2008, 8:30 AM
The law doesn't say that you can't return the gun lock the next day. Or the next hour.

Keep the receipt.
Leave the store with it.
Return to the store, and present receipt and lock, tell them you don't need it anymore and you'd like to return it.

True, but most stores won't accept a lock return as store policy and of course that's their right.

I have a bag of about 100 - 120 locks, CA approved and unopened. I'm just curious - if I gave these to a gun store can they sell them for about $1.00 each - or just give them to buyers?

rue
06-30-2008, 3:33 PM
I was the other Calgunner, the FFL is Elk Grove Gun Room.

rayrayz
06-30-2008, 6:11 PM
I believe you are not permitted to bring in your own lock. It must be a new one provided by the dealer. Many have the free locks they give away, , but others like to sell them at a profit.

from what I understand ...you can bring in a receipt for the lock (has to be dated with in 30 days) and you should be OK. dont need to buy from them:D

bohoki
06-30-2008, 6:39 PM
from what I understand ...you can bring in a receipt for the lock (has to be dated with in 30 days) and you should be OK. dont need to buy from them:D

wait if you are privat party selling a gun to a friend cant it be in the bill of sale

one gun ,one lock,2 magazines

isnt that technically a receipt

Brooke
06-30-2008, 8:32 PM
I've never used them, but Helm's in Santa Rosa has quoted me a transfer fee of 15% of the guns value ...

ohsmily
06-30-2008, 8:38 PM
I've never used them, but Helm's in Santa Rosa has quoted me a transfer fee of 15% of the guns value ...

Dude, you are confused; that is for an FFL transfer, not a person to person transfer. FFLs are limited to charging 35.00 for PPTs.

Brooke
06-30-2008, 9:11 PM
Dude, you are confused;

D'oh!

rue
06-30-2008, 9:31 PM
The charge was because it was 2 transactions at $36 (or $35) PER Transaction.


I'm not sure what you are saying. The max on a person to person PPT is $35 per transaction. We both transfer a gun to each other so that's 2 transactions 2X$35 is $70 total The charge per transaction is $35 no matter how many PPT's I do at once.

rue
06-30-2008, 9:34 PM
Here's my thread if you guys haven't read it yet, I'm asking for help in calling DOJ on this FFL to get them to make them stop charging the $1 fee.


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=1324218#post1324218

The SoCal Gunner
06-30-2008, 10:57 PM
Here's my thread if you guys haven't read it yet, I'm asking for help in calling DOJ on this FFL to get them to make them stop charging the $1 fee.


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=1324218#post1324218

Have you guys tried printing out the PC or screen shot of the DOJ Faq stating that $35 is the max?

Moonclip
07-01-2008, 12:43 AM
I've never used them, but Helm's in Santa Rosa has quoted me a transfer fee of 15% of the guns value ...

They can bl*& me! I wonder how they determine the value. I hope you are not referring to a PPT person to person transfer.

depmac983ret
07-01-2008, 2:57 AM
It was a two party FTF/PPT, price should have been $35.00 each. It seem they charge everyone the extra buck! They claim DOJ told them they could charge $36.00 per transfer,we knew better, and hope ALL Calgunners in Sacramento and anywhere else not do business with FFL's that practice this type of ripoff. It ain't the money, it the principle!

tenpercentfirearms
07-05-2008, 10:26 AM
True, but most stores won't accept a lock return as store policy and of course that's their right.

I have a bag of about 100 - 120 locks, CA approved and unopened. I'm just curious - if I gave these to a gun store can they sell them for about $1.00 each - or just give them to buyers?

You can give them all to me and I give you my word I will continue my practice of just giving them out. I can even send you my UPS number and you can ship them to me on my dime.

What I started doing was just giving away locks because I got 400 for free from the Taft Police Department. There is nothing that prohibits me from giving you a lock. There is nothing prohibiting you from "giving" me locks. The only prohibition is that you cannot bring a lock in to use for your purchase unless you have a receipt from the last 30 days. So you come in and give me a lock. I give you a different style lock. We did not use the lock you gave me for your transaction on that day.

Seriously e-mail me if you want to donate your locks to my program. If you know any PDs that still have the Project Childsafe locks, I could use some of those too. guns@tenpercentfirearms.com

JTROKS
07-05-2008, 4:30 PM
Most of the FFLs I deal with now will ask if the buyer has a safe, if so the affidavit is signed. It is just ridiculous when a gunshop insist on an approved lock. It is just plain rip off.

duenor
07-05-2008, 4:58 PM
34 posts later, i am not sure if :

two guys were transfering one gun from one guy to the other

or

two guys wanted to transfer two guns (trading)

sorensen440
07-05-2008, 5:10 PM
Went to a Local FFL here in Sacramento to do a FTF/PPT, straight trade, no cash involved. The Price was $36.00 for EACH involved party=$72.00. My Trading buddy, (both of us are Calgunners) said CADOJ said $35.00 was the max that could be charged. They STRONGLY dissagreed We decided to do business with someone else. Whats the bottom line here? Were we wrong??

am i reading this right that you decided to take your business elsewhere due to a dollar each?

boogak
07-05-2008, 5:32 PM
its the principal...

macguyver77
07-05-2008, 10:00 PM
True, but most stores won't accept a lock return as store policy and of course that's their right.

I have a bag of about 100 - 120 locks, CA approved and unopened. I'm just curious - if I gave these to a gun store can they sell them for about $1.00 each - or just give them to buyers?

Yes you could but they won't. They make the extra profit on the lock to make their "15 minutes" for 10 bucks into 20 bucks.

macguyver77
07-05-2008, 10:15 PM
The charge per transaction is $35 no matter how many PPT's I do at once.

But that is also Per handgun, long guns can be combined onto one DROS. If i wanted to transfer 5 handguns and 2 long guns to you the cost should be no more than 1 x $35.00 for one handgun and the two long guns plus 4x $35.00 for the 4 other handguns for a total of $175.00. Correct??

My FFL will do the first one for 35.00 and then the other 4 for 25.00 each. But I do way to much business with him. ;)

I have even done two consignment guns at once and was only charged $25.00 total for the DROS at another gun shop. I would assume that it all depends on the mood of the guy across the counter as well as how much they have in the deal too. Of course he was charged twice for each DROS. He is also the owner of the shop so I don't think it was an oversight on his behalf. I'll be back there again for sure.