Where will Heller buy his gun?

[gbran]

Are there any FFL's in D.C.? If so, how soon can they be geared up to sell handguns and will they test the waters and try to sell semi-autos?

[thedrickel]

Maybe he can buy it from Josh Sugarmann and the VPC :D

http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2008/02/the_quintessenc.php
https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

[ke6guj]

IIRC, Heller already has a gun stored outside the district that he wants to bring in, so the no FFL issue is moot.

[mymonkeyman]

IIRC, Heller already has a gun stored outside the district that he wants to bring in, so the no FFL issue is moot.

It's certainly not moot. The supreme court just declared a right to possess a handgun in your home, except residents of D.C. still cannot buy any handguns due to the lack of in-district FFLs + federal law, and even if they could, they could only buy revolvers. Not exactly moot.

[Amendment II]

We could get a waiting list going. Folks in DC could add their names to the list, and then when somebody in one of the 50 States dies, their revolvers could be bequested to the next DC residents on the waiting list. :D

Revolvers = exempt from latest DC ban
Bequest = exempt from FFL transfer

We could get a few handguns into DC while they wait for some gunshops to open.

[rue]

I could move to DC and open an FFL..That would be cool.

[ke6guj]

It's certainly not moot. The supreme court just declared a right to possess a handgun in your home, except residents of D.C. still cannot buy any handguns due to the lack of in-district FFLs + federal law, and even if they could, they could only buy revolvers. Not exactly moot.


Sorry, poor choice of words, I meant that Heller did not need to find an FFL in DC in order to buy a handgun in order to get it into DC. He already has a handgun, stored outside DC, that he can bring in immediately upon licensing.

Yes, there is a problem with other residents needing an FFL in order to excercise their rights. I can see DC and ATF dragging their feet allowing new FFLs, "yes, you can get a license to own a gun, but, umm, there isn't anybody legally allowed to sell you one. So Sorry"

[Fjold]

Your Google-Fu is weak, this only took one try.

Searching for FFL Dealers in DC
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1 SUGARMANN JOSHUA ALAN
1730 RHODE ISLAND AVE NW #1014
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WASHINGTON DC US 20036

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2 CRAWFORD INTERNATIONAL COPELAND DONALD CURTIS & CRAWFORD KENNETH BLAINE
6230 3RD ST NW
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WASHINGTON DC US 20011

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3 FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES SERVICES DIVISION BUREAU OF ATF
650 MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE NW ROOM 5100
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WASHINGTON DC US 20226

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4 CS EXCHANGE LTD SYKES CHARLES W JR
1219 GOOD HOPE RD SE 2ND FLOOR
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WASHINGTON DC US 20020

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5 SHAKESPEARE THEATRE INC
450 7TH ST NW
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WASHINGTON DC US 20004

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6 K S SUPPLY CO HENG HARRY FOOK SUAN
2800 WOODLEY RD NW #317
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WASHINGTON DC US 20008

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7 ARENA STAGE WASHINGTON DRAMA CLUB INC
SIXTH ST & MAINE AVE SW
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WASHINGTON DC US 20024



The funny thing is that Joshua A. Sugarmann is the director of the D.C. based Violence Policy Center. Which is one of the big anti-gun organizations.

[Dr Rockso]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121453058531709463.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Absence of Gun Shops Limits Ruling's Reach in Capital
WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court's decision legalizing handgun ownership in the District of Columbia answers the question of whether individuals have a right to possess firearms. But in the city that spawned the legal challenge, the impact will be minimal for one big reason: It will remain almost impossible to buy a gun.

Washington has no federally licensed gun stores, so nowhere in the city can residents buy a handgun legally. Under federal law, buying one in neighboring Maryland or Virginia isn't an option either. If gun dealers sell a firearm to a nonresident, they have to ship it to a licensed dealer in the purchaser's home state, which then conducts the relevant background checks.

"Without a dealer, there's no place to ship the gun to," said Mike Campbell, a spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

It is unlikely that Washington will get any new dealers, either. Federal licensing requirements mandate that would-be dealers meet local guidelines and zoning ordinances. Representatives of each of the district's eight council wards said they would vigorously oppose a gun shop in their area. They also said discussions had already begun over which regulations they might use to keep one from opening.

"I would push the envelope as far as I could, as far as we were permitted to do," said Jim Graham, a Democrat representing Ward 1, in the center of the district.

"It's going to be a long process," said John Snyder, spokesman for Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, a gun-rights advocacy group.

As a result of the High Court's decision, the District of Columbia will likely revert to guidelines it had in place before the law went into effect in 1976, according to activists on both sides of the divide. Gun-control advocates say those requirements also are among the most restrictive in the country.

Under the old law, handgun owners had to register their firearms with the city. Licensing requirements for dealers were stringent. In addition, the law placed limitations on the sale of ammunition. Police had to approve anyone who wanted to carry a gun outside their home.

The impact of more guns is an open question in a city enduring a rise in violent crime in some areas after years of falling homicide rates. If a gun store locates in the eastern quadrants of the city, it will be in an area where gun violence already is high. Gun dealers are loath to move into high-crime areas because they would face stronger scrutiny from police on background checks of customers. The stores also would be potential targets for criminals. If a store ends up in the more affluent northwest section of the city, it would mean bringing firearms into neighborhoods where gun violence -- especially that resulting in murder -- is a rarity and demand is low.

More than 80% of the city's 181 homicides recorded in 2007 took place in the northeast or southeast quadrants, and a third were concentrated in southeast's Ward 8 alone. Just seven killings occurred in the ward that encompasses the White House, Georgetown and Dupont Circle, while none occurred in Ward 3, home to suburban communities such as Chevy Chase. The homicide total included 143 shootings, according to Metropolitan Police Department figures. A breakdown by gun type wasn't available.

James Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police, which represents about 320,000 uniformed officers in the U.S., said he thinks anyone attempting to open a gun store in the city "will ultimately prevail on the same theory of this lawsuit, but it'll be pretty expensive. Realistically, the city would probably make permitting and various commerce laws difficult."

A former federal agent, Mr. Pasco added that whatever the outcome, "the strict gun laws in D.C. have clearly not been reflected in a lower violent crime rate. I don't know what the answer is to that."

Unless there's some weird local laws that I'm unaware of, I'd say their best bet is to get an 03 FFL and then drive out of state to pick up a C&R handgun.

[ke6guj]

I've seen that list before. Supposedly none of those listed are open to the public. LEO sales only. May have never been open to the public before, since there was no need. So, a smart FFL could open the doors (with the proper retail licenses) and have a monopoly on sales for a while.

And Sugarmann's FFL is expecially wrong. THe existence of it has been brought up in the past, infact it just came up for renewal in the last couple months and one of the forums tried to get his FFL pulled. Seems that an 01 FFL needs to be "in the business" of selling guns, and Sugarmann isn't apparently selling guns. The excuse was that he needed it so that he could be on the FFL mailing list in order to get any FFL mailings that went out, and to be able to buy guns to use as legislative props.

[Amendment II]

It would be funny if DC's refusal to allow any retail gunshops to open in the District led to Congress changing Federal law to allow for out of state purchases of handguns at a licensed Dealer's premises. :D