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widnerkj
06-23-2008, 7:07 PM
Anyone know where in the San Diego area i can get a saiga 12? The shops i've asked at tell me that there is nothing legal about them, and they won't touch them.

Quiet
06-23-2008, 7:16 PM
The Saiga-12 needs to be modified to be CA legal before they are imported into CA.

So, not only do you have to find a CA 01-FFL dealer willing to DROS a Saiga-12 to you, you also have to find someone outside of CA willing to modify it prior to shipping it to the CA 01-FFL dealer.

scotthmt
06-23-2008, 8:26 PM
id pay 700 for a saiga 12

scotthmt
06-23-2008, 8:29 PM
900!@

widnerkj
06-24-2008, 6:21 AM
Well, i'm kind of new to Cali. Before moveing out here, i had a pretty successfull small gun shop in AZ. What changes need to be made to the Saiga 12? I modified my brothers. (Who lives in TX) It was the biggest pain to drill the reciever to move the trigger assy, so he could have a pistol grip and use AK furniture. The old gunsmith that talked me through it wasn't kidding when he said " that old reciever is as hard as a woodpecker's beak." I broke 6 drill bits doing the job.

scotthmt
06-24-2008, 7:26 AM
it needs a magazine lock installed before it can be shipped to CA. Shouldnt be too hard of a task, but you'd need someone out of CA to do the job.

NSR500
06-24-2008, 11:16 AM
id pay 700 for a saiga 12

Really?!?!?!


I have a Saiga-12 and I Love it dearly so donīt get me wrong. The standard Saiga-12 or even a home converted Saiga-12 is IMO... not worth $700.
A Tromix Saiga-12 with all the bells and whistles would be, but just not the plain jane one.
To be worth $700 a Saiga-12 has got to have a LRBHO, Magwell, and be converted with the PG.

.02

Quiet
06-24-2008, 12:11 PM
Due to Izmash stopping production of the Saiga-12 for "retooling" and an unknown ETA of when they'll start again.

Current price in the USA for an unmodified Saiga-12 is around $500-700.



For importation into CA, the RAA Saiga-12 needs to have a magazine lock installed.

rastro
06-24-2008, 4:51 PM
Really?!?!?!


I have a Saiga-12 and I Love it dearly so donīt get me wrong. The standard Saiga-12 or even a home converted Saiga-12 is IMO... not worth $700.
A Tromix Saiga-12 with all the bells and whistles would be, but just not the plain jane one.
To be worth $700 a Saiga-12 has got to have a LRBHO, Magwell, and be converted with the PG.

.02
The days of the $400 S-12 are long gone. Consider yourself lucky to even find a bone-stock one these days under $700.00 (crazy laws of supply and demand-no new supplies and a HUGE demand)

From what I've seen, conversions run around $350.00 plus parts.

In a few weeks, who knows? ;)

JeffM
06-24-2008, 5:11 PM
The only problem with owning a rare gun these days is that everyone is pinching their pennies. I should have bought 1k worth of gas in January instead of two S12s.



...Well maybe not... I'll ride my bike. :D

scotthmt
06-24-2008, 6:26 PM
so does someone wanna sell me their saiga 12 for $700? :D

rastro
06-24-2008, 6:29 PM
No. :43:

JeffM
06-24-2008, 6:35 PM
so does someone wanna sell me their saiga 12 for $700? :D

Nope. There was one the sold in the FS section for ~$650 a few months ago IIRC. But that was before they really got scarce.

rastro
06-24-2008, 6:48 PM
The going rate for an unconverted, bare bones S-12 on GunBroker (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp) these days is $800-$850.

Converted with the FCG moved forward and pistol grip they start around $1100-$1200.

Start from there, find an intermediary FFL to do the necessary mods to make it CA legal and add 2X shipping (once to the FFL out of state to do the mods, then to have them ship to your FFL).

Don't forget to figure in the unobtainium factor!

I was suprised the one for $650 lasted as long as it did.

NSR500
06-24-2008, 8:16 PM
Damn...

Now you guys got me thinking about selling my S12.

:hide:


J/K

:p

jacques
06-24-2008, 8:52 PM
If the come back into production the price will drop again.

docfuhr
06-24-2008, 10:15 PM
I'm looking for multy task weapon, (a shotgun), that will sastify my every need. any clues on brands?

NSR500
06-24-2008, 10:25 PM
I'm looking for multy task weapon, (a shotgun), that will sastify my every need. any clues on brands?

Benelli, Remington, FN, Mossberg, and the Saiga-12 Manufacturer are all know to produce Great Shotguns.

arocan
06-25-2008, 6:38 AM
I remember holding the Saiga 12 at the local store back when you could still buy them. I put it down, and said in my head "do I really need another Kalashnikov disign?" Yeah, I know, dumb me...

drummerdude1188
06-25-2008, 6:16 PM
I just bough a S12 for $775 plus 2 AGP 10 rd mag's so that means the gun was 675, but.... the seller didnt have the mags yet as they were backordered and he said he would send them to me as soon as he got them, I havent herd from him in two weeks and he hasnt responded to my emails so I think im gonna get shafted on the mags so it will probabbly end up being $775 for the gun :(:(:(

g2jap
06-25-2008, 7:02 PM
k-101 where did you get your saiga 12?

drummerdude1188
06-25-2008, 8:04 PM
I got it off the theakforum.net, and I actually just talked to the seller minutes after I posted my previous comment and it looks like I'm not gona get shafted on the mags after all:)

Jorge
06-25-2008, 8:34 PM
K-101, does he have any more for sale?

FluorideInMyWater
06-25-2008, 9:00 PM
http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=27054

guy does sales/conversions for them out of state. prices are listed on the link provided.
enjoy

Dark Water
06-25-2008, 9:48 PM
The Saiga 12 guage is legal in CA as long as you can find someone out of state to lock the mag in place. Once you find a FFL willing to transfer for you PM me and I might be able to help with the out of state part of it.

ivanimal
06-26-2008, 12:02 AM
Good luck finding a Saiga 12 I love mine. My son was ablee to hit 3 of 3 clays with it in a recent desert trip. Cool gun for sure!

thedrickel
06-26-2008, 12:15 AM
Good luck finding a Saiga 12 I love mine. My son was ablee to hit 3 of 3 clays with it in a recent desert trip. Cool gun for sure!

Lemme know when you're ready for a pistol grip conversion . . . I'm almost done with one, here's a teaser pic, I still have to fit the stock & FCG :D

http://i32.tinypic.com/znmtew.jpg

ivanimal
06-26-2008, 12:17 AM
Lemme know when you're ready for a pistol grip conversion . . . I'm almost done with one, pics coming soon :D

Oh, I am ready NOW!

drummerdude1188
06-26-2008, 5:45 AM
K-101, does he have any more for sale?

sorry no

1919_4_ME
06-26-2008, 7:22 AM
The Saiga 12 guage is legal in CA as long as you can find someone out of state to lock the mag in place. Once you find a FFL willing to transfer for you PM me and I might be able to help with the out of state part of it.



Why would the mag need to be locked into place before shipping to Ca?It doesnt have a pistol grip attached?

drummerdude1188
06-26-2008, 7:56 AM
shotguns with detachable magazines are a no go in CA. doesn't matter what else it has on it.

1919_4_ME
06-26-2008, 1:29 PM
Ahhh,
Thanks for clarification on that.;)

Q
06-26-2008, 2:00 PM
Oh, I am ready NOW!


been ready.:D looking good thedrickel.;)

s12 treasure.:chris:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/s12.jpg

DrunkSkunk
06-26-2008, 2:10 PM
PG S12? Meh.

rastro
06-26-2008, 4:41 PM
Meh?
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/Trisagion/100_0599_web.jpg

(Not mine, not PRK legal)

JeffM
06-26-2008, 5:03 PM
^with a fixed stock and bullet button it is!

Looks a lot similar to FED's, but with a fixed bulgy side-folder and a shark-break.

I'm thinking M16a1 stock for mine.

thedrickel
06-26-2008, 5:30 PM
Or you could throw a BB & MMG on there and keep the folding stock ;)

drummerdude1188
06-26-2008, 6:21 PM
I think im going to have mine converted with the Galil front handguard and standard Galil grip and warsaw length AK stock, but I also want to have my barrel cut down and threaded which sucks cuz more $$ but oh well, I still have a saiga 12 :43:

thedrickel
06-27-2008, 8:11 PM
Gettin there . . .

http://i28.tinypic.com/f4efqf.jpg

drummerdude1188
06-28-2008, 5:19 AM
Gettin there . . .

http://i28.tinypic.com/f4efqf.jpg

Lookin good. are you going to replace the front hand guard with the tapco galil one or leave it how it is? Also ,how does your mag lock work?

thedrickel
06-28-2008, 10:52 AM
Lookin good. are you going to replace the front hand guard with the tapco galil one or leave it how it is? Also ,how does your mag lock work?

I think this one's going to keep the original handguard, for now at least.

The mag lock is just a shroud that I bolted onto the virgin trigger guard I riveted to the receiver. Covers up the mag release, and you can only access it with a long tool from the back of the shroud. Haven't decided where and what kind of access cuts to make to the shroud yet.