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Billy Jack
06-20-2008, 12:06 PM
This time one year ago I was promising you we were about to file Federal lawsuits for CCW's. Orange County was placing them under the windshield wipers of parked vehicles and the process was pretty much static throughout the state.

A lot has changed in one year. Orange County CCW's are in possible jeopardy and we have filed Federal lawsuits against the Santa Maria and Torrance Police departments. Some of you got complacent because you lived in 'safe' almost 'shall issue' counties. Well ladies and gentlemen, some of you got a rude wake up call. Some feel their CCW's are now in jeopardy with a new Sheriff in Orange County and spend their time calling her names and making inappropriate comments about her.

I have also been known to say derogatory things about some Chiefs and Sheriffs, but that is after I know them and have an opinion about their integrity and desire to comply with the law. Lets turn down the rhetoric on Orange County Sheriff Hutchins for the time being. You will have two years to rant about her. Lets see what kind of Sheriff she is first.

We will have our third Federal suit filed by the end of August. A few other departments are under investigation and we are now averaging a minimum of one inquiry per day. Most people who contact us have never read 12050PC and have no idea what they are doing. Many suffer from 'entitlement' and
2nd Amendment mania. Regrettably there is no cure for these maladies.

A few have been business types with sound Good Cause. Of those, many can not remember where they left their 'Johnson'. It becomes apparent during the interview that they do not have one so they must have left it someplace. If you want a CCW and live in an unfriendly CCW County you have to understand that simply speaking with TBJ members will not get you a CCW. You must be prepared to challenge your Chief or Sheriff in Federal court. And here comes the big surprise, it will not be free. I have had so many 'poor' businessmen contact me that I have lost count. They want a CCW but do not want to pay for the cost of a lawsuit.

I enjoy the ones that tell me they are afraid their Chief or Sheriff will not like them if they sue them. I try to explain that they have the 'Right to Redress' government. I heard somewhere that this is actually a Constitutionally protected right. You do not have a right to a CCW! You do have the right to be treated fairly, even in Orange County.

Prior to revoking any CCW's Sheriff Hutchins will sit down with the County Counsel and discuss how the rights of all CCW holders must be protected. You will have the the right to appeal her decision. If not happy with your appeal you can even sue in state or Federal Court.

I guess what I am trying to say is do not get complacent with your department. Make sure they are following the law. Just because you have your very own CCW does not mean they are following the law. Having a CCW seems to turn some holders into Geldings. Takes away all their spirit. I have had my CCW since 1993 and I am far from complacent. I watch my department like a Sheep Dog. There are some things I do not like but all and all I can live with the policy. I doubt any departments policy will ever make me completely happy.

In closing it has been my pleasure to post here for the past year and many fine people have contacted Team members. Some we have assisted in obtaining CCW's without suing. We have provided hundreds of hours of time without charge or obligation.

Looking forward to completing my investigation of LAPD and finding a suitable applicant this year. Looking forward to doing the same in San Francisco County and City if not this year then in 2009. Once these large departments are successfully sued the remaining ones will fall into line. Will you all get CCW's then? Naw. Just some with, you guessed it Good Cause. As to Shall Issue, I shall leave that to someone else. After all, why should I be the only one to have a good time at the expense of arrogant, corrupt law enforcement officials.

Think you have Good Cause, think your department's CCW issuance is corrupt? Contact us. Think of us as The 'A' Team.

Billy Jack


"When policemen stop breaking the law, I will stop suing them. No brag, just fact!"


www.californiaconcealedcarry.com

DrunkSkunk
06-20-2008, 12:14 PM
And here comes the big surprise, it will not be free. I have had so many 'poor' businessmen contact me that I have lost count. They want a CCW but do not want to pay for the cost of a lawsuit.




What's the estimated cost

yellowfin
06-20-2008, 12:38 PM
File it under the category of "If you have to ask, you can't afford it."

Billy Jack
06-20-2008, 12:40 PM
What's the estimated cost

The cost of the suits vary by the number of files that have to be examined and number of persons to be Deposed. $5000.00 and up for Attorney Retainer and $5000.00 Retainer for investigation. The majority of the Retainer for Investigation is deferred until we are successful. In the end investigation will approach or exceed $15,000 - $25,000. Attorneys are on billable hours also based upon success of suit. This is why we are not suing every department in sight. If we sue them, they can be assured they are the worst of the worst.

I trust this puts it into perspective for you. By litigation standards these are not expensive suits. You can almost put it on a credit card. Federal Rules require the Defendants to pay all fees and costs associated with the suit if they lose. America is great country.

Billy Jack

DrunkSkunk
06-20-2008, 12:42 PM
File it under the category of "If you have to ask, you can't afford it."

would be helpful for OTHERS to know so as to not waste BJ's time don'tcha think?

edrice
06-20-2008, 12:52 PM
I wonder is there is a legal way to contribute to a fund so that many could defray the expense.

Forgive me if this has been covered before.

Ed

Paladin
06-20-2008, 08:13 PM
We will have our third Federal suit filed by the end of August. A few other departments are under investigation . . . .

Looking forward to completing my investigation of LAPD and finding a suitable applicant this year. Looking forward to doing the same in San Francisco County and City if not this year then in 2009.:79: :jump: :lurk5:

Paladin
06-20-2008, 08:17 PM
In the end investigation will approach or exceed $15,000 - $25,000. Attorneys are on billable hours also based upon success of suit. . . .

By litigation standards these are not expensive suits. You can almost put it on a credit card. Federal Rules require the Defendants to pay all fees and costs associated with the suit if they lose.Worth repeating and emphasizing.

Billy Jack
06-21-2008, 07:23 AM
I wonder is there is a legal way to contribute to a fund so that many could defray the expense.

Forgive me if this has been covered before.

Ed


Funding is not really the issue. Although I appreciate the offer. Spreading the word that we can force compliance it the key to success in this quest. A previously stated, we do not have to sue every department. When an adjacent department is sued in Federal Court, the other departments will take a long hard look at their own policy. Also previously posted, Redondo Beach, Manhattan Beach, Hermosa Beach, Hawthorne are all looking at their policies right now. We have taken the 6th largest city in Los Angeles County into Federal Court. Believe me, our case is being watched. Legal issues are legal issues. If proven against one department and another department in doing the same thing, well you get the picture.

The Internet has allowed us to reach untold numbers of people and the word is spreading, bad CCW policy may equal Federal suit.


Billy Jack

LOW2000
06-21-2008, 10:16 AM
Is BJ willing to disclose his GC?

Billy Jack
06-21-2008, 10:45 AM
Is BJ willing to disclose his GC?

Sure, it is public record. Former LEO, LASO, Licensed Private Investigator. Work felony cases in all parts of California. Work with and protect victims of stalkers and those with Restraining Orders where there is danger of violent attack. Work confidential assignments with high degree of danger of attack from parties involved.

I also confront corrupt Chiefs, Sheriffs and Command Staff of departments all over California. I do not know how far these people might go to protect their illegal activities.

Well you have seen mine and the sky has not fallen. I am posting my GC because it is a matter of public record in numerous law suits and in my file at my issuing department.

Billy Jack


"When policemen break the law, then there isn't any law..just a fight for survival.

Paladin
06-26-2008, 10:17 PM
Looking forward to completing my investigation of LAPD and finding a suitable applicant this year.Tonight The CBS Evening News with the formerly perky Katie Couric had a clip of Branton commenting on the Heller decision: "Insanity continues. Americans' love affair with firearms has now been reaffirmed by the Supreme Court."

I really look forward to you hauling him into fed court.

Nose Nuggets
06-26-2008, 10:31 PM
so if i was denied a CCW, and i decided to take it to court with your services would would be suing to obtain my ccw, is how i undertand it.

could we consolidate a number of people in a certain county who have been denied and split the fee?

JeffM
06-27-2008, 12:13 AM
^Not sure if you got the memo, but BJ is gone. Someone here (on the internet :rolleyes:) offended him.

yellowfin
06-27-2008, 12:35 AM
I am willing to bet that his objections to dealing with people was merely an excuse; the real reason is now he's going to get so darn busy with Heller being the basis of everyone wanting to sue against every CA repression of rights--as if he wasn't busy enough--he won't have a spare second to breathe. He's going to be racking up the billable hours so much he'll have to charge clients $100 every time he farts for the time it takes.


When Billy Jack remains silent, there is no silence...only speculation of what he's doing!

JeffM
06-27-2008, 12:41 AM
I am willing to bet that his objections to dealing with people was merely an excuse; the real reason is now he's going to get so darn busy with Heller being the basis of everyone wanting to sue against every CA repression of rights--as if he wasn't busy enough--he won't have a spare second to breathe. He's going to be racking up the billable hours so much he'll have to charge clients $100 every time he farts for the time it takes.


When Billy Jack remains silent, there is no silence...only speculation of what he's doing!

So he's a liar to boot? Not someone I wish to be fighting my fight thankyouverymuch.

yellowfin
06-27-2008, 12:47 AM
Liar, no. Prone to using misdirection, certainly. He's a bit of a magician, a stage performer.

Nose Nuggets
06-27-2008, 01:28 AM
^Not sure if you got the memo, but BJ is gone. Someone here (on the internet :rolleyes:) offended him.

oh :(

hill billy
06-27-2008, 07:13 AM
Tonight The CBS Evening News with the formerly perky Katie Couric had a clip of Branton commenting on the Heller decision: "Insanity continues. Americans' love affair with firearms has now been reaffirmed by the Supreme Court."

Really? I wouldn't have thought Bratton would be that forthright about anything. I look forward to seeing his hopes and aspirations dashed. It must hurt his back to have Villars hand so far up his *** as his puppet.

Bill_in_SD
06-27-2008, 08:10 AM
He has not left the Internets - and no one 'offended' him.

californiaconcealedcarry.com/blog/

In his own words,
"I have attempted to work within the guidelines of established forums to disseminate information but I have tired of the people that want to turn every thread into a discussion of their pet peeve. So, I have returned to my own site where I shall stay for the immediate future."
For some background, read his older threads and you will understand......

Just contact him through his website if you need to get a hold of him.

RAD-CDPII
06-27-2008, 09:03 AM
He has not left the Internets - and no one 'offended' him.

californiaconcealedcarry.com/blog/

In his own words,
"I have attempted to work within the guidelines of established forums to disseminate information but I have tired of the people that want to turn every thread into a discussion of their pet peeve. So, I have returned to my own site where I shall stay for the immediate future."
For some background, read his older threads and you will understand......

Just contact him through his website if you need to get a hold of him.

+1 on that. If you have a legitamite question, you can e-mail him, he still responds. If you send him BS, he probably will not respond. I had a questions two days ago, got an answer in less than 24 hours. If you want information on what's going on go to: http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com/