LA Times Article on New OC Sheriff CCW Policy

[eta34]

Here is the link. Doesn't sound too CCW friendly.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gunpermits18-2008jun18,0,5805212.story

[PatriotnMore]

Well, I can certainly see from the political perspective why she would want to review all of the CCW's. But once again, I am reading anti CCW from another Top Cop.

We can only hope for the day of shall issue in this state, and pro 2A leadership from LEO's to the Capitol.

[trapshot68]

^^ Same here. I see it both ways.

Seeing how corrupt Carona was in his dealings as head of OCSD, I would question the basis of how some permits were issued.

I would hope that the outcome is that those who do have a valid need of possessing a permit aren't restricted. By getting rid of those issued as political favor, it will hopefully open up more room for more needy individuals to possess CCW.

But as always, we'll see how this goes. And a perfect world and reality rarely go hand-in-hand

[Glock22Fan]

Billy Jack has been saying for a long time, long before Carona was seen to be in trouble, that this is one of the problems with the current system, and one of the reasons why holders in area currently favored should not pull up the drawbridge and oppose those of us trying to get the whole system working properly.

We get too many "I got my permit, it works fine here, don't rock the boat" people.

Carona's files did need to be reviewed, it is the prudent thing to do for any new sheriff facing allegations against her predecessor. There probably are some CCW's that should be revoked. Whether the new Sheriff will go too far with this remains to be seen - for me the jury is still out on her.

[Rumpled]

Her statement about jewelry or other business owners or something like that tells me flat out that she is anti-CCW to the common man.

[pnkssbtz]

Billy Jack has been saying for a long time, long before Carona was seen to be in trouble, that this is one of the problems with the current system, and one of the reasons why holders in area currently favored should not pull up the drawbridge and oppose those of us trying to get the whole system working properly.
Neither should he gloat at those who are in areas that may lose CCW due to the new sherrif.

Regardless if I get denied I will forward him my info because I believe in his ideals. However I recognize that ostracizing people is never a good way to gain allies.

[Glock22Fan]

Neither should he gloat at those who are in areas that may lose CCW due to the new sherrif.



I don't think that gloating was his intent, if he said anything that you took that way.

However, many of his most vocal and venomous critics happen to be Orange County CCW holders; I can understand it if he feels that his position has been validated.

[Glock22Fan]

Her statement about jewelry or other business owners or something like that tells me flat out that she is anti-CCW to the common man.

As I read it, that was the reporter referring to some of Carona's approvals. She said:

Hutchens said she intends to review each permit and determine whether the gun owners demonstrated an immediate fear for their safety or held an occupation so inherently dangerous that they needed to carry concealed weapons in public.

"The important thing to me is they need to have demonstrated a need," Hutchens said

We have yet to see how she interprets the word "Need."

[pnkssbtz]

As I read it, that was the reporter referring to some of Carona's approvals. She said:



We have yet to see how she interprets the word "Need."

Doesn't the court ruling say nothing of "need" but only of "good cause"?

[Liberty1]

Maybe now some of the Orange County Concealed Carry only types can see the need for an Open Carry RIGHT to secure their privilege to hide?

[Glock22Fan]

Doesn't the court ruling say nothing of "need" but only of "good cause"?

Your Good Cause is what defines your Need.

You Need a CCW because you have a Good Cause.

Many of us Want rather than Need a CCW.

It's this pesky difference between Want and Need that makes the Cali laws so problematical and contentious.

[Paladin]

Your Good Cause is what defines your Need.

You Need a CCW because you have a Good Cause.

Many of us Want rather than Need a CCW.

It's this pesky difference between Want and Need that makes the Cali laws so problematical and contentious.Most of us want a CCW because BGs won't tell us ahead of time when & where we'll need a gun. If they did, most of us would arrange to be some where else.

IOW we want a CCW because we don't know if and when we'll need a gun.

[yellowfin]

Your Good Cause is what defines your Need.

You Need a CCW because you have a Good Cause.

Many of us Want rather than Need a CCW.

It's this pesky difference between Want and Need that makes the Cali laws so problematical and contentious.You want to buckle your seatbelt when you pull out of the driveway. You need your seatbelt if something hits you. According to no issue sheriffs, if I'm not a NASCAR driver then I don't need a seatbelt so tough stuff if I get in a wreck and killed. They don't have to care and they are in fact predisposed not to care, and their all important policy is more important to them than me wanting to survive a rare but definitely possible event. Belief in such policy constitutes a lack of conscience and compassion on par with serial killers and cannibals.

[Glock22Fan]

Most of us want a CCW because BGs won't tell us ahead of time when & where we'll need a gun. If they did, most of us would arrange to be some where else.

IOW we want a CCW because we don't know if and when we'll need a gun.

I couldn't agree more.

I Want fire insurance. I hope I never Need it. When will the pols get the difference?

[Glock22Fan]

You want to buckle your seatbelt when you pull out of the driveway. You need your seatbelt if something hits you.

No. You SHOULD buckle your seat belt because you WANT to survive a crash.

[Yankee Clipper]

Right now the APPOINTED sheriff is viewing existing CCW holders’ needs from a political perspective and must be thinking:
“How does the OC Board of Supervisors want me handle existing CCW permits; permits issued by a fellow politician ACCUSED of unsavory acts? Would I be better off doing just the opposite of the old administration? And how do I integrate this with my platform when I run for re-election? And I’m going to have to formulate a new CCW policy of my own before the next election. And how different should it be from that of the old administration’s policy: after all I still have to be, in fact, elected. And this is but one minefield this old gal has got to go through!”
Wouldn’t you like to be a fly on the wall of her brain-pan?

[tazmanian devil dog]

Another Nazi with a badge. Makes the rest of law enforcement look bad.

[Piper]

If this chick was a commander with LASO, then I would just bet she probaly has some of the same philosophies as Baca. Standby, because I think the OC's lax CCW policies are about to get far more restrictive. If someone can find the fallacy in this statement, I'd like to hear it.

[CCWFacts]

This shows how even "members of the club" are only one election away from being kicked out of the club. There is a problem in this state that quite a few people in the urban areas who have CCWs (Mayor Feinstein for example!) are strongly hostile to CCW reform. This situation is a reminder, unless people refer to you as "your honor", your permit is always at the whim of the next sheriff. (Yes, in theory a judge's permit can also be yanked, but they seem to be the one group that has the most reliable access to them. Gee, I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that sheriffs need judges to sign warrants, etc.)

[Billy Jack]

If this chick was a commander with LASO, then I would just bet she probaly has some of the same philosophies as Baca. Standby, because I think the OC's lax CCW policies are about to get far more restrictive. If someone can find the fallacy in this statement, I'd like to hear it.

I know there is anger, apprehension and concern about what Sheriff Hutchins CCW Policy may be. But calling her 'chick' is most inappropriate, sexist and not the way to demonstrate to her that you deserve her respect and consideration. We would not use that term when describing Sheriff Mims so lets give this lady the respect that goes with the office she is taking over. If, after she has been in office for awhile and completed her CCW review you have problems with her, how about writing her a respectful letter informing her of your concerns.

Here is an even better idea, write her a letter now before she begins her review. She is new and as a reform Sheriff, most likely welcome public input. If you choose this course, please do not go the entitlement route or the 2nd Amendment mantra. We all may find that she brings a breath of fresh air to the department. Lets give her a chance.

The next time you want to call a woman a 'chick', take a deep breath and look at you wife, mother, daughter before you use that pejorative on any woman.

Billy Jack

[eta34]

I know there is anger, apprehension and concern about what Sheriff Hutchins CCW Policy may be. But calling her 'chick' is most inappropriate, sexist and not the way to demonstrate to her that you deserve her respect and consideration. We would not use that term when describing Sheriff Mims so lets give this lady the respect that goes with the office she is taking over. If, after she has been in office for awhile and completed her CCW review you have problems with her, how about writing her a respectful letter informing her of your concerns.

Here is an even better idea, write her a letter now before she begins her review. She is new and as a reform Sheriff, most likely welcome public input. If you choose this course, please do not go the entitlement route or the 2nd Amendment mantra. We all may find that she brings a breath of fresh air to the department. Lets give her a chance.

The next time you want to call a woman a 'chick', take a deep breath and look at you wife, mother, daughter before you use that pejorative on any woman.

Billy Jack

I actually agree with this. What do we expect her to do? She is taking over a corrupt organization, one of which I used to be a part. She has little choice but to review the policies and practices of Carona.

[RomanDad]

Right now the APPOINTED sheriff is viewing existing CCW holders’ needs from a political perspective and must be thinking:
“How does the OC Board of Supervisors want me handle existing CCW permits;

That would be a pretty stupid thing to be thinking.... The BOS involvement in the process is now DONE. She needs to answer to the VOTERS in less than 2 years.

[Ken H]

I think some of us forgot to realize one of Corona's cronies just got convicted for terrorist threats over an incident on a golf course, he too was a CCW holder, if I remember correctly.

The new Sheriff is not immune to liability if she allows the current CCW holders to have their permits and something goes wrong down the road. Especially with all the information that was out their about Corona issuing CCW's like baseball cards.

No doubt in my mind there will be a few pulled.

I'm not even going to question why a Judge might want a CCW, rather obvious why..

I'm sure Billy Jack or someone else if the situation arises where Hutchens becomes like the Torrance Chief, she might get served with a suit also.

But Hutchens might already be aware of that suit and is over hauling the entire CCW issue in her office, who knows..

Bottom line she has a heck of a lot of work ahead of her..