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Spiggy
06-09-2008, 2:22 PM
Forum needs more arisaka

-An often overlooked series of rifles, they are marginalized due to their association with Meiji and Showa Imperialist Japan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Spiggys_pics/arisaka/T38C/T38C1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Spiggys_pics/arisaka/T38C/T38C2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Spiggys_pics/arisaka/T38C/T38C3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Spiggys_pics/arisaka/T38C/T38CB.jpg

Saigon1965
06-09-2008, 2:24 PM
Cool rifle Spiggy. Bayo almost have a blood rust to it.

Spiggy
06-09-2008, 2:29 PM
actually, it does

I haven't clean it since I got it; just some oil to protect the blade

KublaiGun
06-09-2008, 2:32 PM
Is that a receiver cover attached to the bolt? What is its function?

Spiggy
06-09-2008, 2:36 PM
dust cover, it covers the bolt from dust

it's secondary function is to give away your position, by jingling as you work the action

Professor Frink
06-09-2008, 2:48 PM
Very handsome Arisaka.

Sampachi
06-09-2008, 2:55 PM
Very nice!! I have a couple Arisaka carbines myself, but I doubt my photography skills are as nice. Maybe I'll take a shot at it later tonight.
The carbines are very pleasant and a lot of fun to shoot. Which arsenal made yours, Spiggy?

Spiggy
06-09-2008, 3:08 PM
Nagoya, 4 number serial, no series, it's a first run

same with the bayonet

Two Shots
06-09-2008, 3:19 PM
You've got a nice speciman there, Dust cover, Mum intact nice!
I had a T99 it was fun to shoot except for paying for Norma ammo.

Spiggy
06-09-2008, 4:01 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Spiggys_pics/arisaka/ijajunk.jpg
More junk

I just got back from a PTO reenactment, so I had this on the floor already

Saigon1965
06-09-2008, 4:09 PM
Where's the Sake bottle?

Moonclip
06-10-2008, 1:19 AM
I like mum and dust cover. I need a 6.5 example.

Spiggy
06-10-2008, 5:51 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Spiggys_pics/arisaka/ijweapcoll.jpg

Type 14 Nambu Pistol, 2nd variation; June '42 MFG
Type 99 Short Rifle, Transitional; Circa '44: Retains earlier features plus No pod, Fixed cleaning rod
T38 Carbine, Arsenal Rebuild; Academy Marked (as depicted earlier)

Saigon, we drank the sake already

smeg
06-10-2008, 8:53 PM
super collection you have there.

i predominantly collect k98s, but my late war interest brought me this late type 99. it's a Nagoya series 10 gun. matching, screws still staked. i like the rough features.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030031.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030041.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030035.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030034.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030039.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030033.jpg

Spiggy
06-10-2008, 10:17 PM
nice ditch!

Look under the receiver for arsenal notes :P

Moonclip
06-11-2008, 3:26 PM
Thats a last ditch all right!

gotgunz
06-11-2008, 3:44 PM
I suppose that I will be forced to post a pic of my type 44 calvary carbine.


Pics to follow!

Prince50
06-11-2008, 3:50 PM
SMEG,

I have to post that if you are ever in the mood to part with that last ditch rifle, I am your buyer.

DArin

smeg
06-11-2008, 4:49 PM
Look under the receiver for arsenal notes :P

hi spiggy,,arsenal notes?
you got me intrigued, but the triggergaurd screws are still staked in and the thus the screws never removed! i hate to change that now.

thanks moonclip.
and darin, message received!

Moonclip
06-11-2008, 4:50 PM
Do you shoot it?

Spiggy
06-11-2008, 5:01 PM
sometimes recievers were recycled, so you could have a totally different gun

since it's a series 10, it should be a transitional gun, but it may have been machined then held until parts were available, but by then was built as a last ditch.

Like my T38, it started as a long rifle but was recycled into a carbine, there's two sets of serials on it, the rearsenal marks on the shank is the correct one

Sampachi
06-11-2008, 6:51 PM
If the screws are staked on that Series 10, don't mess with it! :eek:
Curiosity killed the cat and the value! Not many mummed and matching Last Ditch rifles out there and that one looks really nice.

Here's a bad photo of my carbines. From the top, a Nagoya 4th Series T38, a Mukden T38, an early T44 and a T99 "shorty". All mummed and matching, except a mismatched bolt on the T44.

gotgunz
06-11-2008, 7:28 PM
Okay, here are the pictures as promised.....

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc155/blackedoutharley/Picture044.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc155/blackedoutharley/Picture045.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc155/blackedoutharley/Picture048.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc155/blackedoutharley/Picture049.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc155/blackedoutharley/Picture046.jpg

smeg
06-11-2008, 8:28 PM
nice pics guys.

spiggy got me interested, but i couldn't turn those screws.
certainly has mum. numbered parts are receiver, bolt body, extractor, and firing pin. triggerguard screws are staked and looked to have not been turned?

haven't fired it as don't have any JAP 7.7 ammo. have lots of 8mm mauser, but none for this one.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030209.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030222.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030206.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/sevoflurane/P1030228.jpg

Spiggy
06-11-2008, 9:42 PM
shame you're in NorCal, I have a few boxes of 7.7 and 6.5 that I had someone load using old japanese ammunition data

Deadly on honeydew, my first centerfire rifle was an arisaka, we (Sal and I) were using Hornandy loads and putting chunks of melon like 40ft in the air. Looking at the numbers, looks like they attempted to completely duplicate the ballistics on .303 British.


Edit!
-Sampachi, what kind of frog is that? is it leather?

oh and if you guys are interested in adding to your collection, I know a bunch of people with original uniforms, documents, ammunition, and other Imperial Japanese related articles.

Just avoid anything personalized or religious like letters, shrines, and flags; we've had a haunted battle flag float around until it found someone it liked

OK! One more photo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Spiggys_pics/arisaka/movingflag.jpg
Kudos to the photographers, it was a fine picture -Your's Truly with the Type 89 mortar

Sampachi
06-12-2008, 1:43 PM
Spiggy - The frog is made of canvas.

Smeg - There is a gent that sells good 7.7mm at the Cow Palace gun show. I also reload 6.5 and 7.7 if you are near the Peninsula.

Why is it that my pictures end up being an attachment and not displayed? What am I doing wrong?

Spiggy
06-12-2008, 2:01 PM
host your photo before you post it, use the picture link; don't upload it to calguns and it'll show up.

try something like www.photobucket.com and you copy/paste the [img] link they give you

gotgunz
06-12-2008, 8:46 PM
host your photo before you post it, use the picture link; don't upload it to calguns and it'll show up.

try something like www.photobucket.com and you copy/paste the [img] link they give you

Exactly how I did mine.

smeg
06-12-2008, 9:19 PM
thanks for the ammo info gents.
Also if you upload to an outside host, you won't have the size restriction. So you can show better detailed pics.

albacore
07-16-2008, 2:29 PM
Was this the reenactment at the National Guard base by San Luis Obispo?

Spiggy
07-16-2008, 3:27 PM
yessir

Artery
11-19-2008, 3:46 PM
Beautiful rifles! Amazing they survived in the condition that theyre in (at least the non-last ditch ones...) I've never fired an Arisaka, I think I saw on the history channel that the dustcovers were often removed, so good for you to have one intact.

GuyW
11-19-2008, 5:15 PM
Very nice collections...

I sold ( a long time ago) a T-99 with intact crysanthemum and good metal surface condition, but bubba'd wood. It shot well, and I wish I still had it...
.

BroncoBob
11-19-2008, 5:37 PM
Spiggy: you have some of the niceses looking "junk"........... Wish my junk look that good.

Moonclip
11-20-2008, 2:22 AM
nice ditch!

Look under the receiver for arsenal notes :P

Can you explain more about these notes?

Sampachi
11-20-2008, 7:52 PM
Just a follow up... I'm considering taking a couple of Arisakas out this weekend to Los Altos Range. Might shot my last ditch 35th series to see how it goes.

Spiggy
11-21-2008, 8:06 PM
Can you explain more about these notes?
Some arsenals will leave bits of kanji in or on the gun describing the marks and performance the gun exhibited during tests.

kind of like how the russians leave the slashed box or numbers on guns determining refurbish or factory accuracy

mk3mitch
11-25-2008, 3:45 PM
There is an old WW2 vet I know who has a cherry Type 44 calvary carbine he brought back from Japan. I want to make him an offer, but I don't have the money right now. As soon As I buy it I will post it

Moonclip
11-25-2008, 5:16 PM
There is an old WW2 vet I know who has a cherry Type 44 calvary carbine he brought back from Japan. I want to make him an offer, but I don't have the money right now. As soon As I buy it I will post it

Post the story of it's capture at least! Or was it just acquired in Tokyo after the war or something? Intact mum?

mk3mitch
11-25-2008, 6:55 PM
He got the rifle from his brother who faught at Guadal canal, but I'm sure he got the rifle post war while stationed in Japan with his brother because the Mum is ground off. He also has a sweet sword he and I know nothing about, He got that in WW2 too.

Saigon1965
11-25-2008, 7:01 PM
You guys are making me getting one of these with all the nice pictures -

mk3mitch
11-25-2008, 7:05 PM
Too bad they dumped all the surplus into Tokyo harbor, making 6.5 Arisaka very pricey!

Spiggy
11-25-2008, 7:26 PM
Some friendly tips:
do not under any handle any nihonto blade with bare hands, the oils can damage it.

likewise, don't attempt to sharpen, clean, or "restore" any sword yourself. It ends bad for the user, ends bad for the sword, ends bad for the history.

Saigon, I'm surprised you don't have one already! :p Japanese tactics were brutally simple, stealthy, and myth has it; many officers trying to escape war crime prosecution went to vietnam ;)

Peashooter
11-25-2008, 7:40 PM
Anybody know where I can get a bayo,spring and follower for my Arisaka 99

Spiggy
11-26-2008, 6:33 AM
sarcoinc and numerich

Saigon1965
11-26-2008, 7:33 AM
After all these years - I've just begun collecting C&R - My knowledge is very limited - I've heard of Japanese staying after the war also -

Now help me find a rifle please -

Saigon, I'm surprised you don't have one already! :p Japanese tactics were brutally simple, stealthy, and myth has it; many officers trying to escape war crime prosecution went to vietnam ;)

Spiggy
11-26-2008, 10:22 PM
I know of a pre-ditch transitional arisaka made off of a refurbished reciever. Still safe to shoot, but I wouldn't risk it ;)

Sacjesusfreak
11-29-2008, 12:47 AM
Mine was painted white.. I call it the Yetti Hunter

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/markandmandi/DSC09384-1.jpg

SVT-40
12-02-2008, 11:16 PM
Here are a few photos of one of my Japanese rifles. It's an unusual type 38 as It was later converted to fire the 7.62x39mm round and had a type 56 (SKS) type bayonet installed by the Chinese.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/DSC09404-02.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/DSC09405-02.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/DSC09409-02.jpg

nick
12-03-2008, 9:17 AM
thanks for the ammo info gents.
Also if you upload to an outside host, you won't have the size restriction. So you can show better detailed pics.

Ammunitiontogo has it at about $1 per round:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php/cName/rifle-ammo-77-jap

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php/cName/rifle-ammo-65-jap

I'm sure so do many other online retailers.

gilroyguns
12-03-2008, 11:01 PM
what kind of money do these go for? These really are some very beautiful rifles

Sampachi
12-04-2008, 10:28 PM
SVT40 - I've seen a few like your Chinese conversion rifle. I'd love to have one! How does it shoot?

Gilroyguns - Prices vary quite a bit. Sometimes you can really stumble upon a good deal now and then. I'd say a mummed and matched rifle that hasn't been messed with can go from about $300 to $500 and occasionally more if it has all the goodies and gadgets. Carbines tend to go for a $100 more.

gilroyguns
12-04-2008, 11:05 PM
what does mummed mean ?

zatoh
12-07-2008, 10:35 PM
Wow! Nice rifles! "Mummed" means that the royal crest chrysanthemum on top of the receiver has not been scrubbed/obliterated. There are several explanations why they had to be scrubbed - one having to to with this being the symbol of the emperor and it being a disgrace (http://www.surplusrifle.com/arisak/index.asp) to hand it over at surrender.

Here's my carbine that I posted on the .org site:

T38 carbine, series 4, Nagoya arsenal (nearest I can tell). This one was a gift from my bro for my b-day from a while back.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3201/3091258456_a79b615df5.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3007/3091258320_f210f76908.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3233/3091258266_87195fdd42.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/3090416833_03ac06acfa.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/3091257808_340da0f1d2.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/3091731662_ae280fb1b4.jpg?v=0


what does mummed mean ?

Spiggy
12-07-2008, 11:11 PM
Here are a few photos of one of my Japanese rifles. It's an unusual type 38 as It was later converted to fire the 7.62x39mm round and had a type 56 (SKS) type bayonet installed by the Chinese.
Now That's Interesting!

what does mummed mean ?
Most issued Arisaka rifles were stamped or engraved with an empirical seal of the reigning monarchy. During the reign of Emperor Showa (Hirohito) the dynastic seal was that of a Chrysanthemum or "mum" for short.

The government system was Feudal for centuries where regular citizenry were not allowed to own weaponry (swords and guns). This changed in the 1800s when the feudal system was broken. When Emperor Meiji(1860's- AKA Last Samurai period) took over, he toppled the Tokugawa and established his brand of government. This was the beginning of the Monarchistic Fascist (Imperial) Japan. Like any autocracy, the Monarchy is regarded as the state, and that they are the supreme law of the land... In fact, most cases are in almost god-like status. When war broke out, it was up to the state to supply each soldier with an arm. The seals on the weapon represented the "true ownership" of the weapon; the state, thus the Emperor Himself.

The Empirical seals on just about everything was defaced because it was regarded as shameful and an insult to surrender the Emperor's property and is an act of "saving face".

Any marked item to escape defiling were either captured(surrendered posthumously) or never issued, thus command a higher value. This includes blades, flag staffs, and small arms.


Swords are another huge can of worms. The representation is not only embedded in the military culture, but is also religious and social cultures. This stems from the installation of the Tokugawa (shogunate) governments during the feudal periods. The state took swords out of the hands of the regular citizenry. To own such a thing was to be of the aristocracy or even nobility. Bayonets of the Imperial period were fashioned after swords, everyone soldier had one. The representation was that they are no longer just a peasant on the lord's land, but rather a direct servant (Samurai) of the Emperor. Kind of a semi-upgrade to aristocracy.

:p and now you know!

Moonclip
12-08-2008, 1:25 AM
After all these years - I've just begun collecting C&R - My knowledge is very limited - I've heard of Japanese staying after the war also -

Now help me find a rifle please -

Some stayed on for a LONG time after the war, some staying into the late 1960's and 1970's IIRC in Guam and Philippines, refusing to surrender and not knowing war was over.

albacore
12-08-2008, 6:32 PM
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/albacorebebop/bayonets.jpg

I need a few more Arisakas to fit my bayonets.

Spiggy
12-08-2008, 6:39 PM
:P looks like you need more scabbards more than anything

GuyW
12-08-2008, 6:40 PM
Wow.

Good guy to ask: what's the approx value of Arisaka bayonets?

.

Spiggy
12-08-2008, 7:36 PM
decent condition Type 30 in friendly circles would start at $50 for a typical war-era example minus scabbard, while with scabbard will start at $75 and up

outside friendly circles on ebay and gunshows, prices will start at 100 for a destroyed one, and may go up to as high as $200 for a typical example with scabbard.

Demilled and Cutdown ones can be found for roughly 25, and are generally in no usable shape or collectable condition.

zatoh
12-08-2008, 10:21 PM
I feel inadequate for some reason... (posted this on the .org site)

Bayonets:
Top - Jinsen arsenal.
Bottom - Manufacturer - unknown. No readily visible markings. I haven't pulled the grips off (if so then I don't remember) so perhaps there is something under there.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3007/3091257464_7e7b03888b.jpg?v=0

Jinsen arsenal close-ups. I got this one with the T99 I bought from Bain and Davis.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3223/3090417479_a9b031f9d3.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3071/3090417439_30bce8b2e6.jpg?v=0

Unknown close-ups. Interesting carvings in the handle. This was from my dad's friend where he used to work.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/3091258892_cd49dfc3a7.jpg?v=0

I don't know if this is supposed to be a "46".
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3033/3091257506_038cd72181.jpg?v=0

Although I have Japanese ancestry, I neither read nor write Japanese. No habla Nihongo (how's that for mixing it up). Okay, in your best Toshiro Mifune voice say: you are a disgrace to the Japanese!!

albacore
12-09-2008, 1:26 AM
Your first bayonet was made at Jinsen Rikugun Zoheisho Arsenal in occupied Korea. It's a 150th series, an LB-155A.

The second bayonet is a training bayonet. They are commonly found with a variety of markings and brands. Yours appears to have a school brand on one side of the grips.

albacore
12-09-2008, 1:31 AM
:P looks like you need more scabbards more than anything

Out of the 14 Type 30 bayonets pictured, only 4 are missing scabbards. I need more frogs.

zatoh
12-09-2008, 7:40 AM
Thanks for the info albacore! That was fascinating.

Spiggy
12-09-2008, 9:47 PM
Out of the 14 Type 30 bayonets pictured, only 4 are missing scabbards. I need more frogs.
I'm on board with ya for that one, I can never get enough frogs.

Avoid the IMA repop leather, the ones they send me always exhibit dry rot.

albacore
12-09-2008, 10:54 PM
I'm on board with ya for that one, I can never get enough frogs.

Avoid the IMA repop leather, the ones they send me always exhibit dry rot.

I avoid anything that's a reproduction. I traded all my reproduction SVT-40 mags for Japanese bayonets.

Moonclip
12-15-2008, 2:40 AM
Although I have Japanese ancestry, I neither read nor write Japanese. No habla Nihongo (how's that for mixing it up). Okay, in your best Toshiro Mifune voice say: you are a disgrace to the Japanese!!

I feel your pain, I speak Spanish poorly which makes many which share some of my ancestry feel superior to me even though most speak a bastardized version of it I commonly see misspelled by them. And I love your sig line, I'm still figuring out if FFLs are allowed to refure PPts at gunshows they se up at legally or not.

Anyways very nice bayonet pics and Spiggy I want you to look at my bayonet and sole Arisaka eventually.