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Wally2528
03-16-2015, 8:43 PM
Need advice from those who already added 4 US made parts to a Saiga rifle leaving it in the original sport configuration to comply with the 922r requirements, how can you prove to the authority that your rifle is 100% compliant with the 922r ? Are you keeping the US parts purchase receipts? Do you keep the original foreign parts removed on hand? Do you get a letter from your local PD or Sheriff's office mentioning you meet 922r? Just curious to know and to anticipate future headaches.

MrPlink
03-16-2015, 8:55 PM
You don't prove crap.
If they file criminal charges they have to prove it.
That's how criminal law works.

They would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that
- X amount of parts were foreign and that the rifle is no longer in a sporting configuration
- you manufactured the rifle this way (maybe. This brings up a whole other debate.)

Obviously this could be done with physical evidence, which is tough if you think about it.

Alternatively, a verbal confession would probably suffice.

Mossy Man
03-16-2015, 8:58 PM
1. Its not your job to prove they're US made. Its the US Attorney's job to prove they are foreign.

2. No one has ever been charged or convicted of solely 922r violations that I'm aware of.

3. Its been argued that 922r is directed at importers, not the consumer (like pillow tags).

Chameleon Loco
03-16-2015, 8:59 PM
If I ever decide to convert my saiga which I might if I move out of state I will abide by 922r. But to put it this way I don't think anyone has ever been charged with violating 922r to my knowledge I just would prefer not to be a test case and risk losing my right to bear arms so I will follow the laws put forth by the federal government.

Mossy Man
03-16-2015, 9:00 PM
With a Saiga its stupid easy anyway, even without conversions.

Use US mags and a US handguard or piston.

Done.

Mossy Man
03-16-2015, 9:11 PM
I'm confused - if you are leaving it in sporting config you don't have to worry about 922r

What are you changing out on it?

MrPlink
03-16-2015, 9:17 PM
To add to what was said, nobody seems to be sure or at least agree as to whether it applies to manufacturer, importer, individual etc etc. You then run into other problems like who is a manufacturer and what is manufacturing?

Personally, I feel it does not apply to individuals and believe that it's complete lack of enforcement chalks it up to useless feelgood legislation.

But, as stated is it worth messing?
No, especially since the burden of compliance is very very low.

supermario
03-17-2015, 12:58 AM
When you put US made parts it usually stamped tapco or whatever us based co. Dinzag sells a trigger group for the sporter configuration. You can also swap piston or buy wood furniture set thats US made and or use US made mags. Also if your not adding a bullet guide or converting it, then there is no need for 923 compliant parts. But if you do add bullet guide then you will. Pm me if you want link to the us made furniture.

supermario
03-17-2015, 12:59 AM
Ooops 922 i mean. Im tired ;)

Wally2528
03-17-2015, 12:39 PM
Sound advices here, thanks. Being a little more specific I am planning on replacing the stock, hand guard and the FCG for US made ones, and adding a US made muzzle brake. I will use the original Saiga 10 rd mags on it too, so just want to make 120% sure I am OK JIC somebody questions the rifle's 922r adherence.

Wally2528
03-17-2015, 12:41 PM
Supermario, if I can have the US wood furniture link would be great. Thanks.

Mossy Man
03-17-2015, 1:00 PM
OP, the only thing in your list that "might" take it out of sporting configuration would be the brake.

Remember that US brake doesn't count as one part in practical application.

Its basically negated because it adds 1 total part (15) so you still need 4 US parts in addition to the brake.

peppermintman
03-17-2015, 5:01 PM
Let me ask. So if the G2 trigger kit thats being sold it counts as 3? So 3 more US made parts will make it ok? Its not mentioned on the Wiki check list. Muzzle nut-1 now only 2 more right? US made receiver -1 now only one more? I could use some information too as Im getting ready for a build.

Mossy Man
03-17-2015, 5:09 PM
14 as imported (if no brake or threads, 15 if so).

922r isn't about how many US parts you have, its how many foreign parts you have.

You may have no more than 10 foreign parts if you take gun out if sporting config.

If your rifle has 14 parts, adding another counted part makes it 15 parts. If that part is US made, you still need to have 4 more parts to get to only 10 foreign parts.

So the origin of the brake will only matter if it foreign at which point it counts against you.

Wally2528
03-17-2015, 5:12 PM
What I learned was that the original sport configuration for the Saiga was made of 14 parts, 922r mandates no more of 10 foreing parts to be compliant so my math goes like this:

14 original foreing parts - stock - handguard - 2 parts for the FCG = 10, so the rifle is compliant regardless of the added US made muzzle brake, did I get it right?

roger1022
03-17-2015, 5:57 PM
Dinzag has a nice writeup on 922r compliance:

http://www.dinzagarms.com/922r/922r.html

Mossy Man
03-17-2015, 6:45 PM
What I learned was that the original sport configuration for the Saiga was made of 14 parts, 922r mandates no more of 10 foreing parts to be compliant so my math goes like this:

14 original foreing parts - stock - handguard - 2 parts for the FCG = 10, so the rifle is compliant regardless of the added US made muzzle brake, did I get it right?

Since you're adding a brake, the count goes up to 15. The fact its US made means you are 14/15 compliance. If it was foreign, you'd be at 15/15 foreign.

But since its US made, you are 14/15, and need 10/15.

FCS is 3 if I'm not mistaken (trigger, hammer, disconnector), bringing you to 11/15, US stock is 1, so with that alone you are compliant 10/15.

If you had a foreign brake you'd need one more part (handguard, piston, etc.), to be compliant.