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mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 7:19 AM
I'm sure some of you are interested in seeing military-issue rifles -maybe some of you are curious as to what we're being issued these days. I just recently finished up Infantry One Station Unit Training (Basic Training and Advanced Individual Training [AIT] combined into one long-haul experience). For you Marines out there it's like combining boot and SOI into one Infantry-oriented experience.

Anyways, here's some photos and info about the rifles they issued us.

This was my rifle -A Colt M4 Carbine (Safe, Semi, Burst). All were equipped with Knight's quad rails, PEQ-15 units, and M68 CCOs (Close Combat Optic) -basically military-speak for the Aimpoint Comp M4s (made in Sweden, to my surprise). We used the MaTech rear sight, which I like a lot and had never used before this. We started off with just the rifle and the rear sight and as we went through training we started to add the CCO and the PEQ-15 -we didn't just get it all at once.

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We had a mixture of Colts and FNs, but mostly Colts. The Colts were old as hell but the FNs were all brand-new -some of the Colts didn't have any finish left on the receivers and most of the barrels had that coffee-brown tinge to them, although the rifling and the bores were still in pretty good shape.

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All additional sensitive items on the weapon had to be tied down with gutted 550 cord for those wondering what that's all about. We went out to the field a lot and the swamps/veg around Ft. Benning definitely justified doing so.

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My rear sight is cranked up a little more than it should be but I hold differently than the "center of body mass" method they taught here. Can't shake my NRA highpower background, I prefer the "lolipop" method. Coming from a Garand/AR15 background, it was too easy. I was surprised the rifle was capable of actually shooting pretty well with all the wobble and use it had -at least good enough to earn top shot in the company with the expert badge. Several weeks of irons sights culminated in qualifying out to 300M with irons for record/awards, then we put the CCOs on and finished the rest of the training with them.

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A lot of the pins and detents on our rifles needed obvious replacement because for most of our rifles we had to hit a cleaning rod HARD several times to tap out the takedown pins for maintenance. The upper/lower fit was terrible on the older rifles, you could probably fit a credit card between the gap if you twisted the upper to one side.

We stored them here as a platoon in our bay -the rifle racks were designed for the M4 with room to allow for optics while also locking up perfectly.

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Hopefully somebody finds this thread cool, and admins if you feel like it should be moved elsewhere I apologize. For now I'm at Airborne school still in ground week, not looking forward to tower week but we'll get through it I guess. Fire away with any questions about the weapons or Infantry OSUT in general, thanks for looking!

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JohnnyMtn
03-13-2015, 7:35 AM
Yes, very much found this thread to be cool. Thank you for sharing.

With all the crazy ARs that people have and the muck that people put on them, I've always been curious as to what marines and soldiers actually get their hands on.

19K
03-13-2015, 7:39 AM
Try to take a picture of the rifles used at the electronic shooting range. They use gutted up converted old *** bushmaster rifles

mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 7:47 AM
Try to take a picture of the rifles used at the electronic shooting range. They use gutted up converted old *** bushmaster rifles

I took note of the rifles in the EST range, the ones I encountered were Armalites and they looked pretty new. The upper and all the parts looked pretty new, I was surprised, I thought they'd gut and modify old parts for EST rifles but it looked like they had bought them as-is on a contract with Armalite, but I'm not sure of the details.

rero360
03-13-2015, 7:50 AM
I had an M16-A2 when I went through, but that was 14 years ago. We never had an optics or lasers to use. Congrats on becoming an 11B, fun times.

danweasel
03-13-2015, 7:56 AM
Yep same here, Ft Benning 2001, M16 A2. I wasn't infantry though, so I only had irons.

Well, op, stay safe!

Bansh88
03-13-2015, 7:57 AM
Cool write up and photos. Thank you.

I like the paracord idea on the Aimpoint.
What is with the red tape?
I just bought a buddy's upper that has a Matech on it. They are not the "coolest" looking but they are so functional. The elevation click is awesome.

78marz
03-13-2015, 7:57 AM
Infantry leads the way! Congrats on conquering Sand Hill. Wish we had phones and cameras @ my Basic. Delta 2-58 class of 2005!

09rubicon
03-13-2015, 7:58 AM
I had an M16-A2 when I went through, but that was 14 years ago. We never had an optics or lasers to use. Congrats on becoming an 11B, fun times.

I had an M16-A2 as well in '97. Old *** p.o.s. but it still functioned. It was damn near a smooth bore though. My first duty station in Germany I actually had an M16-A1 (M16 + Foreward Assist) in decent shape, it was fun as hell to shoot in Full-Auto!

pitbull30
03-13-2015, 8:03 AM
Cool thread. Thanks for posting. :patriot:

I like the way rifles look when beat up a bit.

Question: Not that I would have any need to do this, but you tie down the scope with 550 cord as an extra precaution?

pfdr1991
03-13-2015, 8:05 AM
nice bro hopefully you get to bragg in time for operation clean sweep lol

hossb7
03-13-2015, 8:09 AM
Thanks for posting.

I guess it puts the myth to rest that wobble is bad. I just feel bad for all the people who actually spent money on an accuwedge.

09rubicon
03-13-2015, 8:12 AM
Cool thread. Thanks for posting. :patriot:

I like the way rifles look when beat up a bit.

Question: Not that I would have any need to do this, but you tie down the scope with 550 cord as an extra precaution?

Its called "Dummy Cording". 550 is what most use though hobby wire is prefered. Its done because in training/combat weapons can get banged around alot and occasionally attachments can come loose, it keeps you from loosing them since they are considered a sensitive item (requires 100% accountability) and in some cases are protected technology.

MissiontoMars
03-13-2015, 8:32 AM
Definitely, definitely cool, interesting stuff, sir! Thank you for posting.

SuperSet
03-13-2015, 8:35 AM
Cool writeup. It's good to know that at least some dudes are getting barrels that haven't been shot out yet. :)
Have fun in jump school. Feet and knees together!

Mitch
03-13-2015, 8:45 AM
I guess it puts the myth to rest that wobble is bad. I just feel bad for all the people who actually spent money on an accuwedge.
No, the fanbois will complain about wobble till their dying breaths.

I'd like to know more about that storage rack.

BillyGoatCrawler
03-13-2015, 8:47 AM
All additional sensitive items on the weapon had to be tied down with gutted 550 cord for those wondering what that's all about. We went out to the field a lot and the swamps/veg around Ft. Benning definitely justified doing so.

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Its called "Dummy Cording". 550 is what most use though hobby wire is prefered. Its done because in training/combat weapons can get banged around alot and occasionally attachments can come loose, it keeps you from loosing them since they are considered a sensitive item (requires 100% accountability) and in some cases are protected technology.

Whoever told you to dummycord them like that is a dummy. If using 550 cord you shouldn't dummy an optic like that. That is touching/very close to where the gas tube goes through. You'll burn off the cord if you shoot enough. Use wire instead for this reason.

I went through F co 2-58 Inf in 2006. We had M16a4, PEQ15, and M68 back then.

Timbob55
03-13-2015, 8:50 AM
Very interesting thread. Thanks!

Dave07997S
03-13-2015, 9:01 AM
Welcome to the Infantry family, you are not in a frat or a club, you are in a brotherhood. Thanks for the photos...I went to OSUT back in 1982, we still had the M16A1, my favorite black rifle.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hoN9P79-JOSc7nlvNylEQwIGN4FYmNBWRBO8j_y8xLg=w332-h221-p-no

stagar15dj
03-13-2015, 9:02 AM
Thanks for posting. Things sure have changed since I went through basic in 1970 at Ft. Ord, B-4-3. We were some of the first to train with M16s. Thanks for your service.

Dave07997S
03-13-2015, 9:26 AM
Whoever told you to dummycord them like that is a dummy. If using 550 cord you shouldn't dummy an optic like that. That is touching/very close to where the gas tube goes through. You'll burn off the cord if you shoot enough. Use wire instead for this reason.

I went through F co 2-58 Inf in 2006. We had M16a4, PEQ15, and M68 back then.

Our dummy cord back when I was in was old commo wire...

t45ACP
03-13-2015, 10:30 AM
Thank you for sharing. Very cool pictures.

KING_PALM
03-13-2015, 10:41 AM
ARMORY GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YES!!!!!!!!!!!

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I have a few clones and love them all!

victorr
03-13-2015, 10:57 AM
Awesome thread and thanks for your service! Quick question - at what distance is your optic zero'd? Is it 50 yards? And who manufactures the sling?

tron18
03-13-2015, 11:12 AM
Cool thread, thanks!!

mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 11:30 AM
Infantry leads the way! Congrats on conquering Sand Hill. Wish we had phones and cameras @ my Basic. Delta 2-58 class of 2005!

I was Fox 2-58, still living in the trailers. We didn't have phones till the very end, I took these pics right before we had to take it all off and start cleaning everything for turn-in.

mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 11:31 AM
Yep same here, Ft Benning 2001, M16 A2. I wasn't infantry though, so I only had irons.

Well, op, stay safe!

The Infantry has M4s w/optics/PEQs while the POG trainees have M16A4s with nothing but a MaTech on top.

mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 11:33 AM
Cool write up and photos. Thank you.

I like the paracord idea on the Aimpoint.
What is with the red tape?
I just bought a buddy's upper that has a Matech on it. They are not the "coolest" looking but they are so functional. The elevation click is awesome.

Yes, the MaTech is pretty ugly and definitely not the lightest option if you're doing a lightweight build, but holy hell is it functional. When I finally get back to my guns I'm going to put one on at least one of my ARs.

The red tape is to easily identify which platoon the rifle belongs to, so in the event someone loses their rifle or leaves it somewhere, the Drill Sgts know which platoon needs to pay the price. One of our dudes left his rifle leaning against the water buffalo and forgot it, so my platoon got a nice smoke session because they knew which platoon it came from.

CK_32
03-13-2015, 11:35 AM
Nice.

The base I work for still uses standard M4's with a Knights rail and carry handle.

mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 11:36 AM
Cool thread. Thanks for posting. :patriot:

I like the way rifles look when beat up a bit.

Question: Not that I would have any need to do this, but you tie down the scope with 550 cord as an extra precaution?

Yes. Privates are known for doing dumb sh*t and when serialized gear goes missing the whole base goes on lockdown till it's recovered. In the event the screws come loose and the gear comes off the rails, it'll stay attached to the weapon -a really, REALLY good idea for hard-use weaponry with fancy (and expensive) toys attached. With how crazy things got on our FTX going through the veg and swamps, it was definitely a great idea, but it's standard SOP to tie-down sensitive items (we had to tie down our NODs to our bodies and helmets at all times too).

mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 11:38 AM
Thanks for posting.

I guess it puts the myth to rest that wobble is bad. I just feel bad for all the people who actually spent money on an accuwedge.

As a competitive shooter in civilian life, I still believe wobble is bad. We had to qual out to 300M on man-sized targets. If you were to shoot for groups at 600M, the wobble will start to make a difference for sure. They don't care about wobble when you only need to hit man-sized targets, but if you want precision get rid of the wobble!

mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 11:41 AM
Whoever told you to dummycord them like that is a dummy. If using 550 cord you shouldn't dummy an optic like that. That is touching/very close to where the gas tube goes through. You'll burn off the cord if you shoot enough. Use wire instead for this reason.

I went through F co 2-58 Inf in 2006. We had M16a4, PEQ15, and M68 back then.

I just finished up with Fox 2-58 (still in the trailers, at least we were but I think the next cycle will be in the barracks). I worried about the 550 melting on the gas tube too but one day we had to expend a lot of ammo and I did 6 mags on burst, one after another, and my rifle was SMOKING hot. No issues with the 550 melting, I was surprised. And we had to do it this way, our Drill Sgts inspected to make sure we completed the task the way they wanted it done.

mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 11:43 AM
Awesome thread and thanks for your service! Quick question - at what distance is your optic zero'd? Is it 50 yards? And who manufactures the sling?

We zeroed at 25M and confirmed at 200M (there was a BIG elevation difference to account for). The sling was a Specter Gear, at least mine was -kinda heavy compared to civilian options but definitely built tough as nails.

panzer
03-13-2015, 12:58 PM
sweet, thanks

chead
03-13-2015, 1:03 PM
ARMORY GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YES!!!!!!!!!!!

http://cdn02.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/11/emma-stone-excited.gif





I have a few clones and love them all!

Haha, you beat me! I was gonna tag you. Thanks for sharing OP!

I just finished up with Fox 2-58 (still in the trailers, at least we were but I think the next cycle will be in the barracks). I worried about the 550 melting on the gas tube too but one day we had to expend a lot of ammo and I did 6 mags on burst, one after another, and my rifle was SMOKING hot. No issues with the 550 melting, I was surprised. And we had to do it this way, our Drill Sgts inspected to make sure we completed the task the way they wanted it done.

IDF does it too, it's pretty common. thought you meant the sling through the gas block

1CavScout
03-13-2015, 1:11 PM
Yes. Privates are known for doing dumb sh*t and when serialized gear goes missing the whole base goes on lockdown till it's recovered.

We had a rifle fall out of a helicopter in the ME. The search party they sent out to find it was unreal (never did find it).

BTW, congrats...

Revhendo
03-13-2015, 1:26 PM
I don't know whether to say thank you and congrats, or congrats and thank you. Either way God bless ya.

Now if I can just figure out what all that funny stuff is on your shooter there. My M16 never had that stuff..... :oji:

barrage
03-13-2015, 1:50 PM
How much for one of those IR lasers if you were to ever come across one that fell off the back of a truck one day?

BillyGoatCrawler
03-13-2015, 2:22 PM
I just finished up with Fox 2-58 (still in the trailers, at least we were but I think the next cycle will be in the barracks). I worried about the 550 melting on the gas tube too but one day we had to expend a lot of ammo and I did 6 mags on burst, one after another, and my rifle was SMOKING hot. No issues with the 550 melting, I was surprised. And we had to do it this way, our Drill Sgts inspected to make sure we completed the task the way they wanted it done.

That's funny. I went through those trailers nearly 10 years ago and they told me the next cycle was going to be in the starship.... I guess that is a joke they tell all the privates so they feel "the grass is greener on the other side."

I was 4th platoon, the trailer nearest to the sand pit. Roster #447. Our killzone had that quote "Americans sleep peacefully at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." I wonder what they've repainted it to now? We used to always get smoked and have to run up that stair set to the half mile track(Marshall track or something?? Again, almost 10 years ago...)

Oh, you can burn off 550 dummycords. Believe me. When you get to your unit, they'll make you use metal wire.

BillyGoatCrawler
03-13-2015, 2:25 PM
How much for one of those IR lasers if you were to ever come across one that fell off the back of a truck one day?

Sensitive items really don't just "fall off the truck...." Well they do sometimes, but a whole lot of people are going to go on lock down for quite a while.

Since you can't easily quantify an illegal act like you're implying, we'll say the cost would be a dishonorable discharge for the seller and a felony for the purchaser.

MXRider
03-13-2015, 2:45 PM
I was B co 2-19 in summer 2009. We were issued the same Colt M4's with 3 round burst and the older CCO that looked like an Aimpoint PRO style, not the newer M4 line. We got that all at the same time and we never shot irons once. Never even zero'd them. Same 550 cord and it saved a couple guys and the rest of the platoon some grief when they wouldn't check the knob was tight. It wasn't until somewhere around white phase we got the PEQ-2 IR device.

The only FNH rifles I saw were the M16s they used for the M203 grenade launcher.

One guy passed out in a ditch on an FTX and everyone went bat**** crazy looking for him because he had his rifle. Search helicopter, every NCO in the company combing the woods. When they found him he was still passed out in the ditch. That day sucked. But I get why they went to such measures to ensure a private didn't go AWOL with a select fire rifle.

I wound up getting out when I was in for only about 5 months due to a destroyed right shoulder that plagued me throughout most of training. I regret the choice and wish I had stayed in and served my time. But I had a lot of fun and misery on Sand Hill.

barrage
03-13-2015, 2:51 PM
Sensitive items really don't just "fall off the truck...." Well they do sometimes, but a whole lot of people are going to go on lock down for quite a while.

Since you can't easily quantify an illegal act like you're implying, we'll say the cost would be a dishonorable discharge for the seller and a felony for the purchaser.

So, that's a "no", then?

BillyGoatCrawler
03-13-2015, 2:56 PM
Interesting on the rifles. I remember the EST rifles were Armalites.

In 2006, I was in the same company as the OP. We had Colt and FN M16A4s with PEQ15s and CCOs. I'd say about 75% were Colt with 25% being FN.

MXRider
03-13-2015, 2:58 PM
So, that's a "no", then?


There were a bunch of stolen units floating around for a while. Many were tracked down by some government agency. I'm not aware of any buyers getting in legal trouble, but lots of guys lost their money when the device was seized. Not sure what happened to the sellers, but I'm sure it wasn't good.

Most I saw were going for over $1500. They make a civilian approved version of the PEQ-15 now if you really want one.

saudadeii
03-13-2015, 3:01 PM
Awesome thread!

J. Deaux
03-13-2015, 3:06 PM
Cool write up and photos. Thank you.
What is with the red tape?

While I was on Sand Hill, we did this to identify which platoon our gear/rifles belonged to. Each platoon was a color.

Whoever told you to dummycord them like that is a dummy. If using 550 cord you shouldn't dummy an optic like that. That is touching/very close to where the gas tube goes through. You'll burn off the cord if you shoot enough. Use wire instead for this reason.

I went through F co 2-58 Inf in 2006. We had M16a4, PEQ15, and M68 back then.
B co 2/54 in late '06/early '07. FN M16A4s w/CCO but not all of us got PEQ-2/15s only about 4 guys, who had M4s in the whole company. They told us this way as well. On deployment too.

Ch20brain
03-13-2015, 6:28 PM
Thanks for sharing OP, great information ! Good luck with the rest of your training.....

exlibris55
03-13-2015, 6:44 PM
Basic Training at Ft Knox, Jan - March 1977, D-18-4. M16s & M16A1s, all secured in the arms room (separate building, armorer, weapons cards, etc.). Iron sights the entire time, never saw/heard of augmented sights/red-dot, etc. Snowed a lot, marched everywhere, never got onto a truck or bus going out to the range. Gas chamber was a blessing because for the first time in months you got to have clear sinuses.

Thanks for your service & the pics & memories, go get some!!:thumbup: :teeth:

sigstroker
03-13-2015, 7:27 PM
We stored them here as a platoon in our bay -the rifle racks were designed for the M4 with room to allow for optics while also locking up perfectly.

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How can you tell which one is yours?

MXRider
03-13-2015, 7:28 PM
How can you tell which one is yours?


Ours were numbered on the stock.

mr2ndamendment
03-13-2015, 7:59 PM
How can you tell which one is yours?

Every dude is assigned a roster number and the rifle racks are numbered this way. We were required to put our roster number on the castle nut ring section of tape. My platoon, 1st platoon, had roster numbers 101-157, so you'd just put your rifle in its slot. The "100" series roster number denoted what platoon you were in, so 2nd platoon's roster numbers were 201-255, 3rd platoon's was 301-356, and 4th platoon's was 401-455.

After several weeks, we could tell which rifle was ours based off how it felt, how it looked, unique scratches/markings, and so on. My rifle sat in the rack towards the end of the experience because I carried the M240 throughout most of AIT. Being the big guy, and having a love for all things belt-fed, I volunteered to carry the beast so I was re-assigned to weapons squad with it.

We never touched a M9 once the whole time, further solidifying my belief that the military under-teaches pistol skills. We also never touched or fired a M203 the whole time -instead we had a lot of time with the H&K M320, which rocked.

MXRider
03-13-2015, 8:14 PM
I never even saw an M9 once in our armory either. Lots of other cool stuff though.

Loved seeing a 5 ton pull up to the range and all it was hauling was M855 ball ammo. Hated unloading it though.

No brass no ammo Drill Sargent.

Mojaveman
03-13-2015, 9:07 PM
Had these when I went through basic training in '80.

BillyGoatCrawler
03-13-2015, 9:21 PM
We never touched a M9 once the whole time, further solidifying my belief that the military under-teaches pistol skills. We also never touched or fired a M203 the whole time -instead we had a lot of time with the H&K M320, which rocked.

I never even saw an M9 once in our armory either. Lots of other cool stuff though.


That's because both of you guys are speaking with experience from BASIC training.

Pistols aren't widely issued. Those who get them do go to ranges for them. Pretty much machine gunners, medics, and officers get them in actual infantry units. And lots of times the machine gunners are better off just hip firing. That also is quite effective.... believe me.

this video always makes me smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPCNUzkqXk

MXRider
03-13-2015, 9:31 PM
Yeah my military career only involved Ft Benning for OSUT and the rehab unit I was in for a month and a half before separating from the Army.

Johnny Royce
03-13-2015, 9:33 PM
Haha 550 cord brings back memories!! OEF 11-12 1-67 AR 4ID baby!

msternin
03-13-2015, 9:50 PM
Welcome the Blue Cord Club. Seeing Benning brings back memories. Not good ones. LOL. Best memories were spent hanging out in Auburn on weekends.
I was 11B, now 11A.

MXRider
03-13-2015, 9:52 PM
One thing I wish I had done while I was there was go to the Infantry Museum. Had a couple chances to go but I put it off.

msternin
03-13-2015, 10:07 PM
One thing I wish I had done while I was there was go to the Infantry Museum. Had a couple chances to go but I put it off.

I got you covered brother! 107 photos for you. Enjoy!

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A1GWZuqDITv0j

msternin
03-13-2015, 10:16 PM
Sensitive items really don't just "fall off the truck...." Well they do sometimes, but a whole lot of people are going to go on lock down for quite a while.

Since you can't easily quantify an illegal act like you're implying, we'll say the cost would be a dishonorable discharge for the seller and a felony for the purchaser.

If SI went missing at a TRADOC school, you'd be "hands across America" 'till it was found. Once found, probably wall-to-wall counseling session by your TAC's, DS's or Cadre

msternin
03-13-2015, 10:22 PM
I never even saw an M9 once in our armory either. Lots of other cool stuff though.

Loved seeing a 5 ton pull up to the range and all it was hauling was M855 ball ammo. Hated unloading it though.

No brass no ammo Drill Sargent.

M9, unfortunately is not a part of BRM. In fact, based on your units MTOE, you may not have many if any. I'm in Delta Company, and even as an officer, our current MTOE does not have me issued an M9 only an M4

MXRider
03-13-2015, 10:38 PM
I got you covered brother! 107 photos for you. Enjoy!



https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A1GWZuqDITv0j


Awesome. Thanks for sharing those.

M9, unfortunately is not a part of BRM. In fact, based on your units MTOE, you may not have many if any. I'm in Delta Company, and even as an officer, our current MTOE does not have me issued an M9 only an M4


Out of the 3 friends of mine who served in the Army and went down range, none of them had any time with the M9. They were all lowly enlisted scum though lol.

Steve_In_29
03-13-2015, 10:40 PM
.....For you Marines out there it's like combining boot and SOI into one Infantry-oriented experience......
Except ours is over a month longer. :D

We had the M16A1/1911 when I went in 77 and transitioned to the A2/M9 in the early 80s. Iron sights all the way. At the unit I work for we see the Marines come through with all the cool toys.

To placate you Army Doggies, my grandson is currently a Grunt in 2/27 and just picked up E4 Spec. Hopefully heading to Ranger school in June.

msternin
03-13-2015, 10:42 PM
Awesome. Thanks for sharing those.




Out of the 3 friends of mine who served in the Army and went down range, none of them had any time with the M9. They were all lowly enlisted scum though lol.

No such thing as enlisted scum. I was once the Don Corleone of the E4 Mafia.

MXRider
03-13-2015, 10:44 PM
No such thing as enlisted scum. I was once the Don Corleone of the E4 Mafia.


lol

MXRider
03-13-2015, 10:50 PM
I've actually been considering going back since my fiancÚ left me in October. I got my shoulder squared away a few years back so that shouldn't be a problem. The new tattoo regs might pose a problem. It wasn't in 09 and I haven't gotten any more below the elbow since. Maybe they can still waive them.

Was reading an article in Army Times a few weeks back about that actually.

I can be the old guy this time since I'm 30.

msternin
03-13-2015, 10:55 PM
I've actually been considering going back since my fiancÚ left me in October.

Sorry to hear. You know as the saying goes, she doesn't love you, she loves your BAH.


I got my shoulder squared away a few years back so that shouldn't be a problem. The new tattoo regs might pose a problem. It wasn't in 09 and I haven't gotten any more below the elbow since. Maybe they can still waive them.

Visible tats may be an issue. Several months back I had to do all kinds of crazy memos with pictures for my Joe's with visible tats.

Best of luck getting back.

MXRider
03-13-2015, 11:00 PM
Yeah I look at it like we both saved money and future heartache. **** happens.

Regarding the tattoos they are above the wrist but still show in pt gear. I've heard that's a problem now a days. Also read a lot of good soldiers were forced out because of them. That's crappy.

msternin
03-13-2015, 11:02 PM
Yeah I look at it like we both saved money and future heartache. **** happens.

Regarding the tattoos they are above the wrist but still show in pt gear. I've heard that's a problem now a days. Also read a lot of good soldiers were forced out because of them. That's crappy.

Yes they are an issue. The Army is continually looking to downsize in the absence of buildups in active war zones.

-PS This thread is starting to drift. PM me if you want to discuss.

stitch_paradox
03-14-2015, 5:45 AM
How much for one of those IR lasers if you were to ever come across one that fell off the back of a truck one day?

I say 5- 10 year jail time.



Oh you mean the price....

Michael Ehline
03-14-2015, 6:18 AM
Anyone know where i can buy some racks like that?

MXRider
03-14-2015, 6:44 AM
Anyone know where i can buy some racks like that?


Check www.govliquidation.com

tvfreakarms
03-14-2015, 10:52 AM
Why did u have to tie down the optic?

2 by 2...hands of blue

tvfreakarms
03-14-2015, 10:52 AM
Cool pics and thanks for sharing fellow calgunner

2 by 2...hands of blue

msternin
03-14-2015, 10:54 AM
Why did u have to tie down the optic?

2 by 2...hands of blue



You do tie downs so your stuff doesn't get lost if it comes unfastened. Which can happen

USMCVeteran
03-14-2015, 11:54 AM
Interesting information. I enlisted in the Marines in 1971 when we used M14's, M16A1's, and 1911 pistols. Much has changed since those Vietnam days.

Jimmybacon43
03-14-2015, 12:06 PM
This is a great thread, cool pics and videos from everybody.

I always like seeing what the infantry is actually using, and that magpul furniture is not standard issue, lol.

msternin
03-14-2015, 12:20 PM
Interesting information. I enlisted in the Marines in 1971 when we used M14's, M16A1's, and 1911 pistols. Much has changed since those Vietnam days.

Yes, most of the mainstream weapons systems have changed, however there a a few 1911's still in use as well as M14's. M16A1's have gone more to the A2 and A4 variant. They only want to go "pew" versus "pew, pew, pew, pew". I've even seem some A2 and A4's with a blocking device disabling 3-round burst.

That said, the fundamental art of how we apply ourselves to those weapons systems has not changed. :-)

msternin
03-14-2015, 12:32 PM
This is a great thread, cool pics and videos from everybody.

I always like seeing what the infantry is actually using, and that magpul furniture is not standard issue, lol.


Nope not standard issue, but not unauthorized for use, pretty much as long as when you return your weapon back to the arms room, it's in an acceptable condition per your supply sergeant. Most infantry Soldiers I know and have worked with live by the notion.."ounces = pounds, pounds = pain". So we try and maneuver as light as possible.

Joe's who trick-out their weapons too much are often referred to as "tacticool" or "gear queer". The other is being refereed to as "operator as F#*ck". That's not good either, despite how many civilians seem to use the phrase.

Neither term is a good thing to be labeled.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gear+Queer
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tacticool

tvfreakarms
03-14-2015, 2:14 PM
Ain't nothing wrong with some tacticool or a little gear queer

2 by 2...hands of blue

Dave07997S
03-14-2015, 3:17 PM
I didn't get pistol training until I got the pig (M60)at the time, then you were issued side arms and had to qualify, first for me was with the M1911 then the M9.

Dave

Stormfeather
03-15-2015, 12:24 AM
Congrats on making it into the brotherhood of warriors, each Warrior before you has forged the path you now walk on with their blood, sweat, and even their lives, dont forget that.

Once you get into a unit permanently, you will probably see that "dummy cord" disappear. By then you will probably also understand the significance of losing a sensitive item and ensure you are vigilant to not do it.

dtrump
03-15-2015, 5:48 AM
Thanks for the thread and your service bud.

jarhead714
03-15-2015, 6:07 AM
How 'bout a thread explaining all the shiny little do-hickeys on a soldier's uniform? Is one of them really for shining your boots?:p

TNP'R
03-15-2015, 12:18 PM
I too like the paracord idea.

msternin
03-15-2015, 12:26 PM
How 'bout a thread explaining all the shiny little do-hickeys on a soldier's uniform? Is one of them really for shining your boots?:p


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awards_and_decorations_of_the_United_States_Armed_ Forces

Ugly Hombre
03-15-2015, 12:37 PM
Great post thanks!

God bless you and thank you for your service.

Steve_In_29
03-15-2015, 1:26 PM
How 'bout a thread explaining all the shiny little do-hickeys on a soldier's uniform? Is one of them really for shining your boots?:p
Kind of....one of them is for making it though their Basic Training. :D

Apparently the fact that they are wearing an Army uniform isn't enough to tell who has made it through Basic.

msternin
03-15-2015, 1:41 PM
Kind of....one of them is for making it though their Basic Training. :D

Apparently the fact that they are wearing an Army uniform isn't enough to tell who has made it through Basic.

You must be referring to the Army Service Ribbon, yes, it's issued to Army Soldiers upon completion of their Initial Entry Training (IET).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Service_Ribbon

Steve_In_29
03-15-2015, 2:51 PM
You must be referring to the Army Service Ribbon, yes, it's issued to Army Soldiers upon completion of their Initial Entry Training (IET).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Service_Ribbon
Yep... so are there enough soldiers running around who HAVEN'T made it successfully through Basic that they needed to differentiate the ones that did? If you fail Basic do you still graduate but just don't get to wear the ribbon? :confused:

Or did the Army's Dept of Redundancy Dept come up with the ribbon?

msternin
03-15-2015, 3:15 PM
Yep... so are there enough soldiers running around who HAVEN'T made it successfully through Basic that they needed to differentiate the ones that did? If you fail Basic do you still graduate but just don't get to wear the ribbon? :confused:

Or did the Army's Dept of Redundancy Dept come up with the ribbon?

No. If you don't complete IET you're typically chapter out with a negative separation code making it nearly impossible to reenlist to any branch.

I'd presume the Marines do something similar by way of IET failures not being issued the EGA and separating them too. Yes?

mr2ndamendment
03-15-2015, 6:46 PM
No. If you don't complete IET you're typically chapter out with a negative separation code making it nearly impossible to reenlist to any branch.

I'd presume the Marines do something similar by way of IET failures not being issued the EGA and separating them too. Yes?

Pretty much, unless you want to quit or you murder someone (or do something really dumb), you'll end up graduating OSUT. We had some dudes who still couldn't pass the APFT (PT test) before graduation, so they were held back and sent to FTU (Fitness Training Unit). Basically at FTU they PT the **** out of you till you can pass the APFT, then those dudes will administratively graduate and be sent off to their assignment, having completed all other requirements to graduate OSUT. Some dudes were recycled to other companies -that only happened to dudes who messed up in some way. We had one dude who, a week before graduation, got into a verbal fight with a Drill Sgt so he got Article 15ed, given 2 months pay gone, 2 months extra duty, then after that he'll be a "day one restart" with another company. We had two dudes who were caught going to the shopet at night in civies a week before graduation as well, and they were chaptered out. During white phase when we were going to the range every day, 2nd platoon got lazy and didn't go to the clearing barrels before going into their bay. One of their dudes had a ND in the bay and he was chaptered out because of the HUGE safety violation/risk involved there (their bay was next door to us, we thought someone Private Pyled themselves). We had a dude join up with us at the start of white phase because he had a weapon safety violation a week before graduation, so his Drill Sgts re-started him all the way back to white phase with us.

Basically so long as you want to graduate, you will graduate in one way or another assuming you don't do something stupid to screw it up. Doing something stupid can get you recycled back to another company, and if it's stupid enough, get you day-one-restarted or even kicked out if you're extra special. Just show up physically prepared and willing to work.

MXRider
03-15-2015, 6:50 PM
lol, we had a guy who got kicked out because he stuck his dick in a sleeping guys mouth while he was on fire watch. Thank god I had the top bunk.

I think they had a beef though, and that was this guys way of "squashing it".

mr2ndamendment
03-15-2015, 6:57 PM
lol, we had a guy who got kicked out because he stuck his dick in a sleeping guys mouth while he was on fire watch. Thank god I had the top bunk.

I think they had a beef though, and that was this guys way of "squashing it".

Our Drill Sgts turned a blind eye, the dudes with beef handled it in the laundry room after lights out -maybe it's better to have a laundry room fight club so weird **** doesn't happen, we didn't have anything like that happen thank God.

Steve_In_29
03-15-2015, 7:00 PM
No. If you don't complete IET you're typically chapter out with a negative separation code making it nearly impossible to reenlist to any branch.

I'd presume the Marines do something similar by way of IET failures not being issued the EGA and separating them too. Yes?
That's the entire point of my comments. You fail...you are out, so it is ridiculously redundant to award a ribbon to be worn on the uniform to show a person has successfully completed Army Basic. The mere fact that the person is wearing the uniform should be the only testament to that accomplishment needed.

The awarding of the "Eagle, Globe and Anchor" after the Crucible (both relatively new additions to Boot Camp) is simply a symbolic acknowledgement of the Recruits achievement and is not the same thing as being awarded a ribbon. Marines earn awards for accomplishments (both personal and unit related) and the only award we give for successfully completing Boot Camp is proudly wearing the uniform of a United States Marine.

This has gone way off topic over something that should have been easily understood to have been a gentle (but accurate) dig at a redundant award without having to explain it in so much detail.

MXRider
03-15-2015, 7:07 PM
Our Drill Sgts turned a blind eye, the dudes with beef handled it in the laundry room after lights out -maybe it's better to have a laundry room fight club so weird **** doesn't happen, we didn't have anything like that happen thank God.


We had a few of them too but for the most part everyone was cool.

We did have one guy that was some state champion wrestler submit everyone that challenged him in combatives. Even DS's. Dude whooped my *** in like 20 seconds. Most guys got their anger out there rather than fist fights.

mr2ndamendment
03-15-2015, 7:26 PM
Here's a pic of my uniform for those interested in the Infantry OSUT graduation setup.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11069880_10206182787194731_1518703593646904718_n.j pg?oh=7a1a68eb60aab30e00bebdedf8bd8cdb&oe=55841267&__gda__=1434107416_9ea6ba5a54f518280c62919d2cab76b d

We got the blue cord and blue discs around the crossed rifles/US badges because we're infantry (of course). The "firewatch ribbon" on the left is the National Defense Ribbon -you get that for joining the military in a time of war. The "gay pride" ribbon to the right is the Army Service Ribbon -the one you get for successfully completing AIT -in our case we got both at the end of OSUT but I think other MOSes get the firewatch after basic, then the gay pride after finishing AIT because most MOSes do basic/AIT separately.

College grads (bachelors and up) automatically start at E4 (Specialist for you Marines out there -it's a non-NCO rank compared to your E4 which is a Corporal). Corporals do exist in the Army but they're not as common compared to the hoard of Specialists we got (Long live the Specialist underground). Some with partial college start off as E3s (PFC), while some started as E2s (PV2) and the average dude from high school with nothing extra comes in as a E1 (we called them "fuzzies" because they wear no rank patch).

I got the Expert badge with "RIFLE" bar, you need at 36/40 or higher on the 300M course to earn that. Our company qualified with iron sights but all the other companies at Sand Hill don't even use the irons, their dudes qual with the CCOs these days (I got a 39/40, missed my first 300M pop-up because I couldn't see it).

afteractionreport
03-15-2015, 7:35 PM
Awesome

faris1984
03-15-2015, 7:37 PM
Iraq/FOB Loyalty/Baghdad.
Just wanted to share it with you guys.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah57/Faris_Fawzi/milit_zpsjgny2cgf.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/Faris_Fawzi/media/milit_zpsjgny2cgf.jpg.html)

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah57/Faris_Fawzi/mili_zpsbjux6sdp.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/Faris_Fawzi/media/mili_zpsbjux6sdp.jpg.html)

American Samurai
03-15-2015, 7:38 PM
Hooah

HooYah
03-15-2015, 7:46 PM
lol, we had a guy who got kicked out because he stuck his dick in a sleeping guys mouth while he was on fire watch.

ARMY = Always Ready to Molest You

:smilielol5:

chris
03-15-2015, 8:04 PM
We had a rifle fall out of a helicopter in the ME. The search party they sent out to find it was unreal (never did find it).

BTW, congrats...

I heard of weapons going missing when I was in Iraq but not falling out of a helicopter.

4th ID lost to weapons when they came back in late 05 and everyone had their weapons 550 corded to them. :D

faris1984
03-15-2015, 8:19 PM
I heard of weapons going missing when I was in Iraq but not falling out of a helicopter.

4th ID lost to weapons when they came back in late 05 and everyone had their weapons 550 corded to them. :D

We had 50 cal lost off humve.

1CavScout
03-15-2015, 8:23 PM
I heard of weapons going missing when I was in Iraq but not falling out of a helicopter.

4th ID lost to weapons when they came back in late 05 and everyone had their weapons 550 corded to them. :D

That's pretty funny...:D

BillyGoatCrawler
03-15-2015, 8:43 PM
True story: No ****, there I was, knee deep in hand grenade pins... I was prepping another frag to lay the scunion on a slam pig and what do you know??? A damn Marine comes out of no where, swipes that frag out of my hand and steals mah damn kill. Ever since that day, I swear..... I'll never forgive those bad *** Devil Dogs. Sehcksi MotherFathers.

Those guys are born hard. If a POG hasn't told you already, every Marine is a rifleman. Get with the times, bruh.

:D

HooYah
03-15-2015, 10:39 PM
True story: No ****, there I was, knee deep in hand grenade pins... I was prepping another frag to lay the scunion on a slam pig and what do you know??? A damn Marine comes out of no where, swipes that frag out of my hand and steals mah damn kill. Ever since that day, I swear..... I'll never forgive those bad *** Devil Dogs. Sehcksi MotherFathers.

Those guys are born hard. If a POG hasn't told you already, every Marine is a rifleman. Get with the times, bruh.

:D

Bruh, did that happen in Fallupa City, Iraqastan? I think I've heard that story before too. Yeah as a matter of fact, I think that happened in 2006; Right around the same time the 82nd Airborne was running their gay pr0n ring (true story. Google it).

HooYah
03-15-2015, 10:58 PM
Here's an old throwback from OIF. Handing out candy on Halloween before Phantom Fury kicked off.

http://i.imgur.com/oUjqksN.jpg

BillyGoatCrawler
03-16-2015, 7:29 AM
Bruh, did that happen in Fallupa City, Iraqastan? I think I've heard that story before too. Yeah as a matter of fact, I think that happened in 2006; Right around the same time the 82nd Airborne was running their gay pr0n ring (true story. Google it).

Nah, man, this was in Somalia - 1993. Right around the time that 500 Marine gay Pr0n ring deal went down at Pendleton. (true story. Google it.) ;)

pterrell
03-16-2015, 7:39 AM
While I didn't get a picture of it, the last time I was on the range I got issued an FNH with Knights Rails, ACOG (USMC, we don't get anything else unless we are in MARSOC or Recon), Vickers or three point sling (I brought my own Vickers because the armory hasn't bought all the proper pieces for the M16 yet), and a Knights BUIS. Honestly, my AR-15 is a much better built rifle than my M16 but there is movement being made in upgrading the next (A5?) generation with free float barrels, ambi everything and single stage triggers rather than the three stage you get with having burst. I wouldn't mind at all if the M16A5 didn't have burst. M4 sure, but the M16 doesn't need it IMHO.

Yes, the last holdout of the loop sling in the military is shifting away from it. We are loosing our fundamental building traditional marksmanship "To appeal to the current Call of Duty generation"

ez2b
03-16-2015, 7:40 AM
Awesome thread thanks for sharing

J. Deaux
03-16-2015, 12:20 PM
[QUOTE=faris1984;15979466]Iraq/FOB Loyalty/Baghdad.
Just wanted to share it with you guys.

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah57/Faris_Fawzi/milit_zpsjgny2cgf.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/Faris_Fawzi/media/milit_zpsjgny2cgf.jpg.html)

Where's the Ping-Pong? :eek: lol

dvs762
03-16-2015, 12:24 PM
interesting...when i went thru OSUT for 95B now 31B we had an arms room where all the rifles were stored...also we had M16A1, M16 and AR-15 marked rifles...this was in late 1987. No optics of any kind. no rails...nada..and talk about wiggle..some receivers you could move like crazy...

J. Deaux
03-16-2015, 12:24 PM
I heard of weapons going missing when I was in Iraq but not falling out of a helicopter.

What about weapons falling off of vehicles and being run over? Happened to a Guard unit while I was still in Kuwait.

joefrank64k
03-16-2015, 12:33 PM
OP, thanks for the pics and info! Much appreciated. :D

nismobishi
03-16-2015, 2:58 PM
Thanks for your service!

HooYah
03-16-2015, 3:48 PM
Nah, man, this was in Somalia - 1993. Right around the time that 500 Marine gay Pr0n ring deal went down at Pendleton. (true story. Google it.) ;)

I did but my Google-Fu must be weak because all that came up was this: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/24/soldiers.charged/index.html?eref=yahoo
:o

BillyGoatCrawler
03-16-2015, 4:09 PM
I did but my Google-Fu must be weak because all that came up was this: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/24/soldiers.charged/index.html?eref=yahoo
:o

Aw man, for some reason everytime I try to go to your link this one pops up

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-08-23/news/mn-27057_1_marine-corps

"About 20%, or "every two in 10," of the Marines he videotaped or referred to other agencies were homosexual or bisexual, he said. But even heterosexual Marines were willing to be photographed with other men, he said, "for the money or just the thrill of it.""

:oji: 20% of 500??? That's 100 Marines. You beat us by a ratio of 100:7. Good game. Well played. :eek:

BillyGoatCrawler
03-16-2015, 4:23 PM
Here's a throw back to goin' hard for my 21st bday in the Kunar.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=398469&stc=1&d=1426548128

Jimi Jah
03-16-2015, 4:30 PM
Good stuff here. Since M4's are 'selected' by members of the platoon, how long do you get to use the same rifle? Does it go with you if reassigned?

Can you add anything to the rifle yourself? Can you change the grip to a lesser angle than the stock grip like a Magpul K2?

HooYah
03-16-2015, 4:47 PM
Here's a throw back to goin' hard for my 21st bday in the Kunar.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=398469&stc=1&d=1426548128

You are much operator. Tell us how awesome the M14 EBR was and how many bodies you slayed with it.

BillyGoatCrawler
03-16-2015, 5:09 PM
You are much operator. Tell us how awesome the M14 EBR was and how many bodies you slayed with it.

LoL, brattah, don't you know? Army doesn't slay bodies. A Marine is somehow always there to nab them before we can. I just carried that banger so I could delink the mk48 Rambrozo's ammo and shoot the mosque speakers.

American Samurai
03-16-2015, 7:13 PM
LoL, brattah, don't you know? Army doesn't slay bodies. A Marine is somehow always there to nab them before we can. I just carried that banger so I could delink the mk48 Rambrozo's ammo and shoot the mosque speakers.

fkHBEqwLTcM:p

CrossedRifles
03-16-2015, 7:39 PM
An acquainted soldier from OSUT, now in a Ranger bn posted this a while ago.

I wish I could have played with a MK17 while in. All I have is this lame 17S :rofl:

https://scontent-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/417927_481352428604400_10110674_n.jpg?oh=6f32a8c40 fd82abe96552285b0e7a382&oe=55B92072

HooYah
03-16-2015, 7:48 PM
fkHBEqwLTcM:p

Pretty funny. But they're still a bunch of nasties. BTW, pretty sure he bought the Marine cover and his cammie top with the SF tab at the local surplus store. :rolleyes: