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aratron
03-11-2015, 4:26 PM
Any idea how one can shed some weight on an already plain jane Saiga conversion?

Weighing currently at 7 lb 14 oz unloaded. Stock Saiga front end with Warsaw length Tapco polymer buttstock. AK74 style muzzle break.

Any suggestion on a lightweight furniture. Lighter but decent muzzle brakes? Those two options seems to be the only angle without doing something major.

My N-Pap is at a little over 8lbs and Wasr a few oz lighter then Saiga. Ultimately, I really like the build quality of Saiga and like to get it to be perfectly balance.

sportDogger
03-11-2015, 4:41 PM
Mine weighs in with aimpoint, Texas weapon system dust cover, viltor adapter, magpul AR stock, Midwest industries hg rail at 8.1. I believe sagas have a thicker barrel than a standard AK. But if I was you I'd scrap the tapco stuff. Here's a pic of mine.

Mossy Man
03-11-2015, 4:42 PM
Get a heavier stock

zfields
03-11-2015, 4:51 PM
Not much you can do. The tapco 74 brake is a bit of a hog, but you will only save a little by swapping.

Balance matters a lot more IMO.

kalieracer
03-11-2015, 7:11 PM
Ak operators union had an fb post of a light weight sgl Meridian did for them

vandal
03-11-2015, 11:12 PM
Manticore brake

Click Boom
03-11-2015, 11:35 PM
Mine weighs in with aimpoint, Texas weapon system dust cover, viltor adapter, magpul AR stock, Midwest industries hg rail at 8.1. I believe sagas have a thicker barrel than a standard AK. But if I was you I'd scrap the tapco stuff. Here's a pic of mine.

I have a saiga setup almost xactly like that. Vltor hogue tws mi magpul

sportDogger
03-12-2015, 12:38 AM
The only thing I'd change on my rifle is the rail. I started in one direction with a red dot positioned there then decided to go tws with aimpoint comp M2 which I recently switched out to the comp c3 and put the M2 on a different AK. I'm just too lazy to put the black polymer handguard on :)
I have a saiga setup almost xactly like that. Vltor hogue tws mi magpul

Mossy Man
03-12-2015, 1:11 AM
if you get a more robust stock, it will balance a lot better.

motogunner356
03-12-2015, 4:10 PM
there hasnt been much focus as far as aftermarket goes to help out the ak platform. there have been a few hole in the wall company fixes, ie TWS cover, weld on sights from krebs, but no one has done a solid fix all the way around for a few reasons (the new m+m 10x seems to have any grips of the system fixed)

mainly the system is just to be simple and robust and go bang everytime and the design is so outdated (yes a design from the 40's) albeit very well done was never built with any forethought that you'd want better sights, or a scope or you want a good safety.

but here's what ive seen that would help

-get a light weight muzzle attachment. the ak74 is on the heavy side,
-get a bolton gas block fsb. thisll move your front sight back. or you can cut the front sight and weld it to the block
- dont get a lightweight stock, a heavier stock will balance it out more at the sacrifice of a heavier overall weapon

you could also cut the barrel and convert the gas system to a krink but the time and cost doesnt justify this route.

i was recently at TDS guns in rocklin where they had a 4lb ar15, anything they could have was either titanium or aluminum. they got there by shaving a few ounces here and there. but with everything the rifle went for 2400.

if you could change out a few parts like the gas block and the rear sight/barrel block with aluminum or titanium you could shave a bunch of weight

ultimately it comes down to cost

Chewbaca
03-12-2015, 4:13 PM
do what I did . . .

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag170/chewbaca556/Snapbucket/98F7EEB8-B65D-4D81-8405-BF27D695D0F3_zpsaismyxmg.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/chewbaca556/media/Snapbucket/98F7EEB8-B65D-4D81-8405-BF27D695D0F3_zpsaismyxmg.jpg.html)
http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag170/chewbaca556/Snapbucket/ADB71B7A-BD5E-4C94-A440-6B8D681BFED8_zpsjq2xnegc.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/chewbaca556/media/Snapbucket/ADB71B7A-BD5E-4C94-A440-6B8D681BFED8_zpsjq2xnegc.jpg.html)

MrPlink
03-12-2015, 4:14 PM
Get a dremmel and flute your barrel






















(no, dont do that)

kalieracer
03-12-2015, 4:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/AkOperatorsUnion/posts/944171532281793 (http://www.facebook.com/AkOperatorsUnion/posts/944171532281793)

hellayella
03-12-2015, 8:39 PM
better do some spetsnaz pushups comrade...

JWHuey
03-12-2015, 8:51 PM
do what I did . . .

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag170/chewbaca556/Snapbucket/98F7EEB8-B65D-4D81-8405-BF27D695D0F3_zpsaismyxmg.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/chewbaca556/media/Snapbucket/98F7EEB8-B65D-4D81-8405-BF27D695D0F3_zpsaismyxmg.jpg.html)
http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag170/chewbaca556/Snapbucket/ADB71B7A-BD5E-4C94-A440-6B8D681BFED8_zpsjq2xnegc.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/chewbaca556/media/Snapbucket/ADB71B7A-BD5E-4C94-A440-6B8D681BFED8_zpsjq2xnegc.jpg.html)

Fuller' s got nothin on Chewie Dynamics.Lol

MASTERLAB
03-12-2015, 8:59 PM
cut triangular holes (with radiuses on corners) in everything to cut out metal but retain structural rigidity, also loose the dust cover, remove the buttock and hand rail, muzzle break, front sight and rear sight, use short 5 round magazines, cut 6 inches off the barrel, convert to direct impingement

(not a lawyer, some suggestions may be dangerous and/or illegal, I will not be held responsible for the implementation of any of these ideas)

hellayella
03-13-2015, 9:58 AM
Kalashnikov says to do more Spetsnaz pushups...

tashunkawitko
03-13-2015, 12:19 PM
better do some spetsnaz pushups comrade...

^^^
This.

Better yet get a gym membership. Lift a bunch of 55 lb dumb bells. Guaranteed your saiga will feel like a daisy BB gun in a few weeks. :D

pyro3k2
03-13-2015, 12:36 PM
Get a dremmel and flute your barrel




















(no, dont do that)

hahahahahaha

Mossy Man
03-13-2015, 12:50 PM
Wait is it converted rear end or is it that tapco saiga stock?

pokeyman
03-13-2015, 2:08 PM
Cut the barrel and pin and weld a spike brake and that will take off 1 lb.

aratron
03-13-2015, 4:25 PM
Thanks for all the awesome suggestions gentleman. Still not sure what I will do but I'd probably start off by weighing every component and give it some more thought.

So far, its seems the path is either reducing the weight through major lobotomy - barrel cutting, moving fsb to gas block etc or shedding weight with small component cutting. I prefer the latter approach since they are more reversible should thing go wrong. Also barrel re-crowning is really out of my scope.

Daa ... comrade more pushup do ...

Rear end is converted but front end is factory. I think I will weigh my SGL front end components and see if a front end conversion will yield any meaningful weight loss

The funny thing is the M+M already shed about a lb when compared to the Saiga ... Cugir factory tolerance is really not all that bad as others mentioned. The factory NPap, though heavier, actually feels more balanced better shouldered. Somehow I still want to get every one of my AK just right. I am sure you AK calgunners here totally know what I mean.

Sexy stuff there Chewbaca ~

aratron
03-13-2015, 4:33 PM
BTW, whats everyones favorite AK buttstock?

hellayella
03-13-2015, 8:17 PM
...if u are complaining about the SAIGA, try the OPAP and the RPKs or even milled receiver AKs