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Jamez
06-04-2008, 5:30 PM
I was thinking about a Remington 700 .308 for deer and other big game hunting, but is that too much for a deer?

Blacktail 8541
06-04-2008, 5:31 PM
It is a very good caliber. Some would consider it the perfect caliber.

ViPER395
06-04-2008, 5:34 PM
No.

goathead
06-04-2008, 6:17 PM
It is a very good caliber. Some would consider it the perfect caliber.

what about 223 to small for deer i was thinking about getting one for deer but didnt know if its to small

Full Clip
06-04-2008, 6:26 PM
This has been the subject of many arguments.
With .223, shot placement is vital for a clean, one-shot kill. So unless you're a crack shot, why not use something with a little more power?
Also, some states require more than .223 -- you'll have to look up the regs. I have hunted in CO and .223 is not allowed there for deer.

ViPER395
06-04-2008, 6:48 PM
.223 is legal in California. I took a nice buck with one not too long ago.

goathead
06-04-2008, 7:12 PM
.223 is legal in California. I took a nice buck with one not too long ago.

what kind of round 65gr or 55gr hollow or sp

ViPER395
06-04-2008, 7:16 PM
Federal Vital-Shok. 60gr Nosler Partition.

fairfaxjim
06-04-2008, 7:23 PM
I personally think that if you had to pick just one rifle caliber, .308 would be pretty much the one to choose.

HUTCH 7.62
06-04-2008, 7:31 PM
30-06 or 270 would be a good caliber for deer, pig or varmints. 300 win mag or 7mm rem mag would be a good all around if you want to upgrade to big game.

Jamez
06-04-2008, 7:33 PM
30-06 six or 270 would be a good caliber for deer. 300 win mag or 7mm rem mag would be a good all around if you want to upgrade to big game.

I was mainly looking for a good all around and I was hearing .308 was it because it's also pretty common caliber.

Linus
06-04-2008, 7:34 PM
+1 on the 270win

sloguy
06-04-2008, 7:40 PM
30-06 or 270 would be a good caliber for deer, pig or varmints. 300 win mag or 7mm rem mag would be a good all around if you want to upgrade to big game.

what do you consider big game that 30-06 is too small for?

bubbaskyjacker
06-04-2008, 7:44 PM
.223 is legal in California. I took a nice buck with one not too long ago.

good shot. 5.56 was not meant to kill, its meant to wound. if it was meant to kill then it would have been a different cal. it takes 2 soilders to take a wounded soilder off the battle field. which = 3 out of the fight. im fairly sure you cant shoot dear with a .223 in cali. (inhumane if the dear can run away and take days to die) i could be wrong and probably am but hey it sounds good huh

Full Clip
06-04-2008, 10:11 PM
I went with a 30-06 as I inherited one from my grandfather (his sportered M1917). Not much in North America (or South) that 30-06 can't handle, and the ammo is everywhere and in many flavors.\

Related thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=44003

Thefeeder
06-04-2008, 10:29 PM
How to find the perfect round for deer hunting.

Run in place for 30 seconds

Pick-up your rifle and hit a pie pan at 50 yards

Dont cheat by using a rest

When you can hit the pie pan you found the perfect round for deer hunting!!!

motorhead
06-04-2008, 11:48 PM
.223 might be a poor choice in heavy brush. bullet destabilizes easily. .243 or .270 would be better.

Deadred7o7
06-05-2008, 12:06 AM
I have friends that shoot blacktail with 22-250s every year. That said I shoot a .300wsm at the same 85lb deer they do, to each his own. I think in CA it just has to be a center fire Cal.

StupidMoFo
06-05-2008, 12:15 AM
good shot. 5.56 was not meant to kill, its meant to wound. if it was meant to kill then it would have been a different cal. it takes 2 soilders to take a wounded soilder off the battle field. which = 3 out of the fight. im fairly sure you cant shoot dear with a .223 in cali. (inhumane if the dear can run away and take days to die) i could be wrong and probably am but hey it sounds good huh


Sigh I'm so tired of hearing people repeat this same old bullsh*t tail of 5.56 being made to injure and not kill :rolleyes::rolleyes: You've been drinking some mighty good koolaid if you think our soldiers overseas are shooting 'subpar' calibers attempting to wound and not kill them

ar15barrels
06-05-2008, 12:16 AM
How to find the perfect round for deer hunting.

Run in place for 30 seconds

Pick-up your rifle and hit a pie pan at 50 yards

Dont cheat by using a rest

When you can hit the pie pan you found the perfect round for deer hunting!!!

30-30 from a Winchester 94. ;)

Casual Observer
06-05-2008, 12:17 AM
what do you consider big game that 30-06 is too small for?

Kodiak bear. :cool:

In all seriousness, .308 or .30-06 will handle most anything in the western hemisphere and if you ever have to go to a "Bob's Bait and Ammo" shop in Small Town USA, he'll likely have .30-06 / .308 available.

ar15barrels
06-05-2008, 12:21 AM
A 308 would be a fine deer round.
The main thing is to choose a proper rifle that you can carry all day.
I have a nice 18" barreled Remington 788 that's the perfect little deer rifle.
It's trim and lightweight and points really well.
Iron sights are all you need out to 75yds or so.
If you can't get that close, you probably need help on your fieldcraft.
If you are going to shoot over long clearings, a scope and a heavier rifle may be in order, but only if you plan to stake yourself out in a blind and wait for a shot.
Walking around all day requires a lighter gun.

Deadred7o7
06-05-2008, 12:28 AM
Why handycap your self ? In the rollen grass lands and open oaks of CA your better off being able to fill your tag at 200y

bubbaskyjacker
06-05-2008, 12:37 AM
Sigh I'm so tired of hearing people repeat this same old bullsh*t tail of 5.56 being made to injure and not kill :rolleyes::rolleyes: You've been drinking some mighty good koolaid if you think our soldiers overseas are shooting 'subpar' calibers attempting to wound and not kill them

so why is "not legal" to shoot people with a 50 cal???? because they have no chance to survive that is an asuured fatailty. the 5.56 tumbles to cause max damage. i never said it was sub par. its perfect for what it was desiged for. ive been in the army b4 have you??? soo before you spit out your koolaid to bash get the facts.

randy
06-05-2008, 12:43 AM
Yo Bubba you are wrong. The 223 was designed to kill varmits. The military just thought it would be a nice battle cartridge.

BP88
06-05-2008, 1:23 AM
.308? Too much? I thought a lot of people hunted with 30.06 which is a quite a bit larger than .308.

ar15barrels
06-05-2008, 1:26 AM
.308? Too much? I thought a lot of people hunted with 30.06 which is a quite a bit larger than .308.

308 and 30-06 are the same diameter.
Performance is similar until considerably heavier bullets are used.
The 30-06 with it's larger case capacity does a much better job with the heavies.

tenpercentfirearms
06-05-2008, 6:43 AM
Before the AR craze I loved my Remington 700 VS in .308.

I loaded 110 grain Vmax for squirrels. 125 grain Speer TNT HPs for coyotes (and I shot a pig with it too once. Dropped dead in its tracks). 150 grain Sierra SPs for deer and pigs. 168 grain SMK HPBTs for accuracy. 175 grain SMK HPBTs for 800 to 1000 yard matches.

It was an extreamly versital caliber choice. The .308 is definitely not too much for deer. In fact, I missed a deer once because I was used to my .30-06 and shot a little low. Now I just use my .30-06 because I don't need a wonder gun to shoot a deer. I just need something that works and isn't so damn heavy.

Then I sold my sweet little set up so I could buy a gun safe. :(

http://home.bak.rr.com/elrojo14/pictures/700prtc4.jpg

I figured I was a gun dealer so I could always build another one some day. Now I have an Armalite AR10T on a Noveske lower and it seems to be shooting almost as good!

sloguy
06-05-2008, 8:04 AM
How to find the perfect round for deer hunting.

Run in place for 30 seconds

Pick-up your rifle and hit a pie pan at 50 yards

Dont cheat by using a rest

When you can hit the pie pan you found the perfect round for deer hunting!!!

dude, i found it!!! 22lr.





just kidding

IGOTDIRT4U
06-05-2008, 8:22 AM
30-06 or 270 would be a good caliber for deer, pig or varmints. 300 win mag or 7mm rem mag would be a good all around if you want to upgrade to big game.

Agreed. I think (and my opinionn solely) that 308 is abit much for the size of deer we have here in CA. If you plan to hunt bigger deer or bigger game, then 308 is good to go. 270 is my choice for CA.

IGOTDIRT4U
06-05-2008, 8:26 AM
30-30 from a Winchester 94. ;)

LOL, east of the Mississippi, that is THE gun. Got one, but not for hunting out here!

PatriotnMore
06-05-2008, 8:27 AM
IMHO, if you are ONLY going to shoot deer with the new rifle, I would go .243, or .270. However, as an all around cartridge for N. American game it is decent, I personally would go .300 win mag, for a one all around cartidge, if I was only to hunt with one rifle.

Comstock Lode
06-05-2008, 9:23 AM
Yes, too much, but it works. So does .30 - 06, taken more deer than any other cartridge... So .30 - 06 is too much, maybe, but sure have enjoyed the .30 - 06 over the years and still do... So .308, a nice round, but too much, hell, a well placed .223 will drop a deer, hell, taken a deer with a .22, so maybe anything over .22 too much... hell, arrows work fine on deer... but sure like that .308, even it is too much.

Deadred7o7
06-05-2008, 9:35 AM
The 25-06 is hard to beat for CA deer too. Flat and Fast

Beetle Bailey
06-05-2008, 9:56 AM
im fairly sure you cant shoot dear with a .223 in cali. (inhumane if the dear can run away and take days to die) i could be wrong and probably am but hey it sounds good huh

In fact, you can legally take deer in California with a .223 rem as long as you use the right bullet. But, I personally wouldn't pick it as a first, second, or even third choice.

To the OP: .308 win is a fine deer cartridge as long as you are comfortable shooting it. Remember, you can't make the deer too dead. BTW, I should mention I've never taken a deer, only a hog. And I use a .30-06, which is pretty much the same as a .308 win.

ibanezfoo
06-05-2008, 2:46 PM
I went with a 30-06 as I inherited one from my grandfather (his sportered M1917). Not much in North America (or South) that 30-06 can't handle, and the ammo is everywhere and in many flavors.\

Related thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=44003

Same here. I got a 30-06 and a 7.7mm that have taken many deer.

-Bryan

Timberwolf
06-05-2008, 2:50 PM
308 is a great deer cartridge - put many a one in the freezer with a 308. Use 165 grn ballistic tips and they wont take a step if you do your part.

ViPER395
06-05-2008, 2:51 PM
Before I started using my Mini last year for deer I used 30-06 every year since I took the hunter safety course.

It really is the greatest round in the world.

AKman
06-05-2008, 3:50 PM
I was thinking about a Remington 700 .308 for deer and other big game hunting, but is that too much for a deer?

A .308 is definitely too much for a deer. It kills them almost every time. A deer would much prefer that you use a .22 at 200 yards to give them a sporting chance.

I have used 25-06, 280 rem and 30-06, all with good success. Heck, when I was a kid I even hunted with a 35 rem (old Rem Model 8), which is a dog by today's standards. The deer still died.

tankerman
06-05-2008, 4:08 PM
Sigh I'm so tired of hearing people repeat this same old bullsh*t tail of 5.56 being made to injure and not kill :rolleyes::rolleyes: You've been drinking some mighty good koolaid if you think our soldiers overseas are shooting 'subpar' calibers attempting to wound and not kill them
What are you rolling your eyes about?
After reading your post it's fairly obvious you don't hunt or know much about 5.56.

Jeff.
06-05-2008, 4:45 PM
In fact, you can legally take deer in California with a .223 rem as long as you use the right bullet. But, I personally wouldn't pick it as a first, second, or even third choice.



I thought .243 was the minimum for CA? I don't have time to check the regs at the moment, I'm about to leave work! And frankly, that's more important right this second.

sniperzeb308
06-05-2008, 5:05 PM
I used a .308 to take my first deer. My sister took her first deer with a mini-14 in .223. The .308 is inherently accurate and has so many loading its awsome also the amount of available ammo. Sadly I outgrew my .308 youth model long ago(winchester 70). I now use a Ruger no. 1 in .375 H&H magnum for my all around gun shooting hand loads. I've taken critters as small as antelope and deer and what I've found on smaller game using 300 grain sierra moving at 2600fps they don't expand instead acting like a flying piece of re-bar. But on larger game they expand and are just as lethal if not more.

Then again I had a friend who grew up in New mexico that killed a deer with a .22lr. Its all about shot placement you can use artillery or fly swatters just as long as you have good shot placement.

But as far as the .308 goes I love it and really miss have a gun in that chambering that fits me. Hopefully my kids will enjoy my first hunting rifle as much as I did when they get a hold of it.

rksimple
06-05-2008, 5:06 PM
223 is legal for big game in CA, and in the right hands, better than any of the whiz-bang-super-belch-fire-magnums in the wrong hands. I had to finish off a poached deer shot on our ranch and all I had with me was my m4gery and radway. The fudd that shot it was using a 300 winmag and didn't place the round well. Hit it high in the back (less than a hundred yard shot mind you) and it was still dragging itself along when we arrived 5 minutes after the shot. I got to within 50 yards and put one ss109 behind its shoulder and it expired within 10 seconds or so.

Often times the inexperienced will try to compensate for lack of ability by going to a larger, more powerful caliber. The 308 and 30-06, with the correct bullet selection and placement, will kill anything in North America with relative ease. The 223, while not the best choice, is viable for deer given bullet selection and moderate distances.

Deadred7o7
06-05-2008, 10:55 PM
2007-2008 Regs

353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big
Game.
(a) Except for the provisions of subsections
353(b) through (g), title 14, CCR, big game (as
defined by section 350, title 14, CCR) may only
be taken by rifles using centerfire cartridges with
softnose or expanding bullets;

Thefeeder
06-06-2008, 8:05 PM
dude, i found it!!! 22lr.





just kidding


CONGRATS! We have a winner.....your the only guy who filled their tag. As another Calgun'r said " A hit with a 22 is better than a miss with a ......".

A friend spent a lot of time reloading and testing...came up with a perfect round....then missed a buck just standing there at about 40 yard!!!!!!

But you...(waving my finger at you) You.....You got da meat in the freezer!

huck
06-06-2008, 8:24 PM
I didn't think .223 was legal for deer, but I have this strange feeling they are used on antelope in CA. Loooong distant shots for those guys. Just don't remember...

Two Shots
06-06-2008, 8:48 PM
If you plan on hunting Mule deer or Elk someday go with a 308, I've seen some deer fall to the 308 but more have fallen to the 30-30. Whatever you pick practice,practice and be picky about the ammo your using, try several brands if you don't reload to find the best for your rifle.

yellowfin
06-07-2008, 12:32 AM
There is absolutely no reason to go below a .243 for deer if you're buying a new rifle, and exceedingly little reason not to get a .30-06 or .270 while you're at it so you can have one that can do everything.