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mosinnagantm9130
02-24-2015, 11:07 PM
Here we go again, ladies and gents:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=468035195

1909 Izhevsk M1907 carbine goes for $3,726.

Stop me if you've heard his before, but nah, M/Ns aren't worth anything....

Jimmybacon43
02-24-2015, 11:13 PM
I actually didn't know you were a fan of the mosin nagant rifle :shrug:

mosinnagantm9130
02-25-2015, 11:01 AM
I actually didn't know you were a fan of the mosin nagant rifle :shrug:

It's subtle and hard to miss, but it you look closely, you might be able to ascertain that I am indeed a fan.

I bought that one. Let's shoot it

Hell yes.

I'd imagine it handles similar to the M38.

I Swan
02-25-2015, 8:02 PM
I'm sort of surprised it didn't go even higher.

SanPedroShooter
02-26-2015, 5:25 AM
Well in general Mosins arent worth anything (yet!).

Constantly posting rare exceptions doesn't prove otherwise.

These threads should be titled, 'if you have an extremely rare variant of a widely produced rifle, its worth more than the 91/30 everyone and their brother owns'

Geez.. unless you sell on Gunbroker. Look up 91/30 7 pages of overpriced wishful thinking...

bigbossman
02-26-2015, 6:51 AM
1909 Izhevsk M1907 carbine goes for $3,726.


For that kind of dough, I'd much rather buy a M1-D Garand, and have a few bucks left over.

stitchnicklas
02-26-2015, 7:09 AM
ehh post all the mosin you want...this is calguns damn it5

sl0re10
02-26-2015, 7:50 AM
price aside (I got one cheap); they're very fun to shoot.

mosinnagantm9130
02-26-2015, 8:16 AM
Well in general Mosins arent worth anything (yet!).

Constantly posting rare exceptions doesn't prove otherwise.

These threads should be titled, 'if you have an extremely rare variant of a widely produced rifle, its worth more than the 91/30 everyone and their brother owns'

Geez.. unless you sell on Gunbroker. Look up 91/30 7 pages of overpriced wishful thinking...

Sure, the common refurb 42-43 Izhevsk 91/30 isn't worth much...but to extend that line of thinking to all 91/30s is false. Plenty of those pull 3-400, some even more than that.

81turbota
02-26-2015, 8:18 AM
There was a recent thread on the other forum of a 1892 Chatterault PL marked M91 that was bid over $4500. Cha-Ching $$$$$$ !

Tarasdad
02-26-2015, 2:55 PM
SOME Mosins are worth quite a bit, just like other rare surplus rifles. I'd love to get my hands on an unaltered 1896 US Krag rifle myself.

Crusader
02-26-2015, 3:24 PM
This dude is up in my neck of the woods, I should swing by and see if I can score any local deals

SanPedroShooter
02-26-2015, 5:19 PM
Sure, the common refurb 42-43 Izhevsk 91/30 isn't worth much...but to extend that line of thinking to all 91/30s is false. Plenty of those pull 3-400, some even more than that.

Good point. I started looking around to see how much a 91/30 is going for at the various surplus dealers and I couldn't find any in stock...

Armistice
02-26-2015, 6:07 PM
I have a crate of those old Mosins. I'll cut CG members a deal. $2K and it's yours. Come on down and pick yours out this weekend!

bovver
02-26-2015, 6:18 PM
They are going to go up in price, after being imported for what 20 years easy, they have run out, no more to import, sure they might find a crate or two here and there but it will never be like it was, the day of the $69.99 bargain bin rifle is gone.

6mmintl
02-27-2015, 7:16 AM
They are going to go up in price, after being imported for what 20 years easy, they have run out, no more to import, sure they might find a crate or two here and there but it will never be like it was, the day of the $69.99 bargain bin rifle is gone.

I find it hard to believe there are not any more to import, maybe international political restrictions, but probably more scarcity due to "Collectors" hoarding, dreaming of manipulating the market and increasing the prices.

"Collectors" never clean the original "cosmoline/dirt/drebish" from their rifles.

I Swan
02-27-2015, 8:59 AM
What 91-30's would you say are worth the top prices not counting snipers? I'd say very late dates I guess. I think Finn 91-30's will go up in price.

Syntax Error
02-27-2015, 9:03 AM
Non-refurb 91/30s always command a premium in price over your typical arsenal refurb 91/30.

bovver
02-27-2015, 2:49 PM
I find it hard to believe there are not any more to import, maybe international political restrictions, but probably more scarcity due to "Collectors" hoarding, dreaming of manipulating the market and increasing the prices.

"Collectors" never clean the original "cosmoline/dirt/drebish" from their rifles.

I got emails from places like Aim surplus about a year ago explaining the well runs dry.

The mosin world was fun, I spent years collecting and trading, you can find some nice collectable ones.
If you collect, DONT refurbish them as that will hinder your resale/collectable value.
have fun and keep baba away from your collection.

I Swan
02-27-2015, 4:40 PM
I think Spanish Civil War versions of the 91-30 will go up in price as well as more become aware of them.

NOTABIKER
02-27-2015, 5:39 PM
Well in general Mosins arent worth anything (yet!).

Constantly posting rare exceptions doesn't prove otherwise.

These threads should be titled, 'if you have an extremely rare variant of a widely produced rifle, its worth more than the 91/30 everyone and their brother owns'

Geez.. unless you sell on Gunbroker. Look up 91/30 7 pages of overpriced wishful thinking...


no gun that is still available in the surplus market is valuable. K 31, sks, mauser,garand and many more. you can still get lucky at a big 5 and find a special Mosin.

Varg Vikernes
02-27-2015, 5:42 PM
Hell one of those legit sniper Mosins is a lot cheaper than that.

mosinnagantm9130
02-28-2015, 1:12 AM
What 91-30's would you say are worth the top prices not counting snipers? I'd say very late dates I guess. I think Finn 91-30's will go up in price.

In no particular order:

Simonov Trials Rifles
Late Dates (non snipers are probably going to be worth more than late date ex-snipers). I've seen a 1950 dated one, 45-47 are more common but still rare.
Training rifles
"Instructie" and "exercitu" (sp?) marked rifles
Non-Finn, non-refurb originals
Finnish captured, original condition
Finnish captured, mixmasters
Finnish captured, then recaptured by the soviets (soviet refurbs with the "SA")
Spanish Civil War
Any non-soviet built 91/30
Odd markings, MO's especially. Could throw in weird ones like PM, PM-86, XO, etc
GECO, PE, and PEM snipers
Ex-dragoons (ex cossacks even more so, they're much rarer)
Any built off of an M91 (there are 91/30's with US made M91 barrels on them)
Papered bring backs from Korea or Vietnam

I think that about covers it...

emcon5
08-25-2015, 6:57 AM
Here is another one of those cheap Mosins that aren't worth anything:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=495598544

DennisCA
08-25-2015, 7:41 AM
I wonder how many of those "cheap" Mosins were "bubba-d"?

Then again maybe I don't want to think about it.... :(

81turbota
08-25-2015, 7:49 AM
I wonder how many of those "cheap" Mosins were "bubba-d"?

Then again maybe I don't want to think about it.... :(

Lots sadly. Just like sporter K98 snipers....everything can be a deer rifle.

There is a stock restoration thread for a 1907 carbine on Gunboards now.

IEatZ28
08-25-2015, 8:14 AM
I have a crate of those old Mosins. I'll cut CG members a deal. $2K and it's yours. Come on down and pick yours out this weekend!

I am looking for a crate of mosins!

Crocketus
08-25-2015, 8:18 AM
Referring to these as simply mosin's is kind of disingenuous. It's like referring to a M39 as simply a mosin.... it is... but it really isn't.

I Swan
08-25-2015, 10:50 AM
I am looking for a crate of mosins!

There might be a CGN member in San Diego area than can help with that. You'll have to PayPal gift the funds to his (ex)wife and he may be a bit hard to get in touch wh he travels to Miami a lot.

golfish
08-25-2015, 11:23 AM
Lots sadly. Just like sporter K98 snipers....everything can be a deer rifle.

.

My great Uncle was a smithy on the side. He made many deer rifles from the 1903 for lots of folks and I was lucky enough to have seen a few of them. He always left the long full stock on every one he made. This was back in the early 70's

Saigon1965
08-25-2015, 11:30 AM
Help me find a Mexican contract Mosin - Please -

Here we go again, ladies and gents:

TRAP55
08-25-2015, 12:01 PM
Here is another one of those cheap Mosins that aren't worth anything:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=495598544
That's one I've never seen before. WTH is that sheet metal attachment on the right side for?

81turbota
08-25-2015, 12:19 PM
Trap55,
That is an extremely rare feature for a bayonet. As per Mosinnagant.net, that is the Cavalry carbine, predecessor to the 1907 carbine.

http://www.mosinnagant.net/ussr/M1907-Carbine.asp

DennisCA
08-25-2015, 12:33 PM
I am looking for a crate of mosins!

I think "The Expertise" can help you :eek: :rolleyes: :eek: !!!! (can i mention that name w/o getting banned???) :rofl: :willy_nilly: :willy_nilly:

Or as Jerry Reed once said in a country song:

"She got the gold mine and I got the shaft" ;)

golfish
08-25-2015, 12:51 PM
WTH is that sheet metal attachment on the right side for?

Cigarette holder

Flyin Brian
08-25-2015, 1:05 PM
That's one I've never seen before. WTH is that sheet metal attachment on the right side for?

They were calling these St Petersburg Cavalry School carbines for many years, but now it seems there are some that are not linked to the school, so now they are just "cavalry carbines". ;)

If you google the "St Petersburg Cavalry Carbine" or similar phrases, you will find quite a few threads on these. I've never seen one in person... YET.

I Swan
08-25-2015, 1:31 PM
Help me find a Mexican contract Mosin - Please -

They had a contract or just bought or were given some NEW or Remington 91's? And can they somehow be identified? I don't think they had Mexican markings and I think Mexico didn't really use them and just ended up selling or giving them to Spain.

TRAP55
08-25-2015, 2:11 PM
So it was just a "scabbard" to hold the bayo? And was the bayo any different than the 91/30 bayo's? Probably would have made a better cigarette holder.:)

adamjay
08-25-2015, 2:17 PM
Well, with the 30 MILLION+ Mosins churned out over the years, it will be fun to watch all of the absurdly "rare" configurations pop up as Mosin collecting grows. We are even starting to see the Mosin forgeries show up. I think mosin collecting is entering an interesting time, i think we will see exciting developments in this hobby.

sealocan
08-25-2015, 2:39 PM
whenever I see these big money sales on Mosin rifles, I think about some poor old Russian guy.
Maybe he's got access to the internet now thanks to his nephew and he can't believe what the rifles he was getting paid pennies to cover with cosmoline & watch over are now going for on the American market.

maybe he was about to get a job at the Kalashnikov rifle factory but thanks to 0bama's executive orderBS on AK Russian built imports, the factory downsized and he lost his last opportunity.

he mumbles to words over and over...





"Thanks 0bama."

mosinnagantm9130
08-25-2015, 4:51 PM
Help me find a Mexican contract Mosin - Please -

I don't know that I've ever heard of that...

adamjay
08-25-2015, 8:19 PM
Help me find a Mexican contract Mosin - Please -

Ive got a Mexican buddy down the street with a '43 Ishevsk, that count? How about $1500?

81turbota
08-25-2015, 8:26 PM
I've heard "Mexican Mosin" thrown around, but I've never seen one. As with anything, the market determines the value of an item. Things like the refurb 91/30s are following a linear curve in terms of value increase, rarer variants are following an exponential curve.

For those that say 30+ million built, please do not forget there were 14+ million Mauser K98s built, once we factor in other variations like the Gewehr 98 and others the numbers will be fairly close. The XX+ million built is the same mindset people had years ago with Mausers and Enfields when they were cheap and abundant, yet we curse those who modify those rifles today. "Oh man if they knew XXX code K98 would be worth $XXX today!" will be said about Mosins 50 years from now in greater frequency.

I Swan
08-25-2015, 8:35 PM
I don't know that I've ever heard of that...

It seems they made some 7.62x54r ammo for them too I think it has been discussed on Gunboards.

mosinnagantm9130
08-25-2015, 8:48 PM
It seems they made some 7.62x54r ammo for them too I think it has been discussed on Gunboards.

Hmm interesting. I'd be curious to see that.

I Swan
08-25-2015, 8:51 PM
I should research it more. I don't think I've ever seen a pic of any Mexicans armed with Mosins I have seen Guatemalans with them and I think I have heard of their use in Peru with the guerillas I'm sure they were around elsewhere in the banana republic. Some were on Grenada.

I have never met a Mexican that has said anything about them or having one in Mexico. You would think they would have used them at some point at least for training and drill or rear area or supply troops. Mexico has always been more of a Mauser and Germanic weaponry type place though for the most part.

81turbota
08-25-2015, 9:01 PM
Hmm interesting. I'd be curious to see that.

The current discussion:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?210422-Mexican-Mosin-Nagant-Use-1920s-1930s

Photo credit to gunboards, Mosin at the bottom row second from the right.

mosinnagantm9130
08-25-2015, 9:20 PM
The current discussion:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?210422-Mexican-Mosin-Nagant-Use-1920s-1930s

Photo credit to gunboards, Mosin at the bottom row second from the right.

Looks like three guys in the front row have mosins. Two on the left, one on the right. Wonder how they got them?

I Swan
08-25-2015, 9:35 PM
Looks like three guys in the front row have mosins. Two on the left, one on the right. Wonder how they got them?

Read the whole thread. As mentioned the US supplied them some Mosins.

oc16
08-25-2015, 9:36 PM
well I plan on buying a mosin in the near future, I saw one in big five but I would not want to pay over 200 for it. once in my hands I am going to thread the barrel put an archangel stock on it and an expensive scope. A true piece of old russian ww2 history and a sniper. :}

81turbota
08-25-2015, 9:42 PM
well I plan on buying a mosin in the near future, I saw one in big five but I would not want to pay over 200 for it. once in my hands I am going to thread the barrel put an archangel stock on it and an expensive scope. A true piece of old russian ww2 history and a sniper. :}

:facepalm:

No.....

If you want a sniper, buy a PU/PE/PEM.

adamjay
08-25-2015, 10:10 PM
well I plan on buying a mosin in the near future, I saw one in big five but I would not want to pay over 200 for it. once in my hands I am going to thread the barrel put an archangel stock on it and an expensive scope. A true piece of old russian ww2 history and a sniper. :}

Rather than dump that kind of money into an old rifle, better to put it into a modern rifle that will give you sniper accuracy - an off the shelf 91/30 likely will not. Those alterations negate all collector value and occlude the history.

mosinnagantm9130
08-26-2015, 12:03 AM
well I plan on buying a mosin in the near future, I saw one in big five but I would not want to pay over 200 for it. once in my hands I am going to thread the barrel put an archangel stock on it and an expensive scope. A true piece of old russian ww2 history and a sniper. :}

I've got a better idea, written as a helpful step by step guide:

1. Buy a 91/30
2. Leave the 91/30 alone
3. Take the money you were going to spend on the **** stock set and burn it as punishment
4. Be glad you left the 91/30 in it's intended configuration instead of wasting money destroying a piece of history

reverser
08-26-2015, 9:15 AM
I've got a better idea, written as a helpful step by step guide:

1. Buy a 91/30
2. Leave the 91/30 alone
3. Take the money you were going to spend on the **** stock set and burn it as punishment
4. Be glad you left the 91/30 in it's intended configuration instead of wasting money destroying a piece of history

Or just buy a barreled receiver that has a bad crown. They can be found once in a while.

19K
08-26-2015, 9:32 AM
well I plan on buying a mosin in the near future, I saw one in big five but I would not want to pay over 200 for it. once in my hands I am going to thread the barrel put an archangel stock on it and an expensive scope. A true piece of old russian ww2 history and a sniper. :}

Uhhh. You can buy a pu sniper for probably less than all the money you would spend on making one.

Saigon1965
08-26-2015, 12:33 PM
My friend Luis over at Gunboards have much information - But he is in MX -

I don't know that I've ever heard of that...


I have been known to spend on stuff - But I am unsure about this deal -

Ive got a Mexican buddy down the street with a '43 Ishevsk, that count? How about $1500?

I Swan
08-26-2015, 2:24 PM
So do the Mexican Mosins have distinct features or markings or not? How can you want something yet you don't know how to determine it is what you want? About the closest you're probably going to find is a 91 Rem or NEW with Spanish Civil War features in later serial number range. I have a NEW like that.

adamjay
08-26-2015, 3:57 PM
I have been known to spend on stuff - But I am unsure about this deal -[/QUOTE]

Oh, it's totally legit. He is a Mexican, born in Mexico!

adamjay
08-26-2015, 4:09 PM
Uhhh. You can buy a pu sniper for probably less than all the money you would spend on making one.

Yes. Buy the PU Sniper - probably gonna be the most accurate (moa) Mosin you can buy - it is in historically correct configuration and doesn't require modification to be accurate. Unmodified = retains historical configuration and THUS collector value! Buy a PU and be done with it - put your money in "upgrades" into a Rem 700 or the like where money invested = value = money returned.

I am always surprised to see people invest real money to devalue a mosin.

john myers
08-26-2015, 4:45 PM
post WW1 US made Mosins {the ones the Russians flaked on}went to Mexico
and South America

Enfield47
08-26-2015, 8:41 PM
well I plan on buying a mosin in the near future, I saw one in big five but I would not want to pay over 200 for it. once in my hands I am going to thread the barrel put an archangel stock on it and an expensive scope. A true piece of old russian ww2 history and a sniper. :}

Don't feed the trolls. :troll: