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t0kie
06-03-2008, 4:05 PM
Hi everyone,

I want to buy my first rifle & kinda like the AR15, the M4-A3 setup. I've been looking at gunbroker and saw this auction # 101371976 (a Bushmaster), is it a good brand? Beside the 30rd mag that is illegal in CA, is it legal to get it? What else should I know & how much should I expect for a simple setup like that? I want it like that first & may be later on will add the scope, but definitely must be the removable carry handle, not the fixed one. Any suggestions, like brands, shops to get, model#, etc will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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pwall
06-03-2008, 4:08 PM
First get to know the laws. Bushmaster is a banned name. Sorry! cant have that one. Check out lanworldinc.com

t0kie
06-03-2008, 4:13 PM
Thanks pwall, any recommended brand?
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edwordsigh
06-03-2008, 4:19 PM
perhaps try building your own? http://blog.riflegear.com/articles/building-a-california--legal-ar-15-rifle.aspx

doughboy334
06-03-2008, 4:27 PM
If you wanna go to a firearm store, you should check out either City Arms or Irvington Arms in the Bay Area and they can help you on the way to building your own.

bobgengeskahn
06-03-2008, 4:38 PM
I am at about $1000 for a basic new/used but never fired A2 style setup... although if you are patient you can probably part one together for around $800 + FFL fees... and it only goes up from there :gunsmilie:

jimbo1747
06-03-2008, 4:41 PM
First get to know the laws. Bushmaster is a banned name.

Yes, please do some research here on the forum and get to know California's ridiculous assault weapons laws before making any purchase. Certain models by Bushmaster, Colt, DPMS, Armalite, and others are specifically banned by name. While models from Stag, CMMG, Smith & Wesson, High Standard, etc. are good to go.

I would say most folks build their own California compliant AR's here, but if you're looking to buy one outright check out Irvington Arms in Fremont or the San Jose Gun Exchange in San Jose. I THINK they still sell fully assemble rifles? Of course, you could always buy a used rifle from a fellow calgunner in the "for sale" section of the forum too.

ironcross
06-03-2008, 4:52 PM
perhaps try building your own? http://blog.riflegear.com/articles/building-a-california--legal-ar-15-rifle.aspx

+1 To bulding your own
+1 For RifleGear.com

Sounds like another case of the Black Rifle Disease

Read up on this http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=56818

RifleGear and ColdWar Shooters have been good to me.

IMHO: I like Stag Arms. For Lowers, Uppers, LPK, etc...

Have Fun :D

Dark Water
06-03-2008, 5:18 PM
If your looking to put together a CA legal AR-15 you have to comply with certain laws. Even the 10 round magazine can not be removable if your rifle has other prohibited features. View the complete list at the DOJ website.

t0kie
06-03-2008, 6:05 PM
What's is the advantage to build our own, rather than get a stock ready?
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pwall
06-03-2008, 6:09 PM
If your looking to put together a CA legal AR-15 you have to comply with certain laws. Even the 10 round magazine can not be removable if your rifle has other prohibited features. View the complete list at the DOJ website.

wrong. With a bullet button mag lock you can remove the magazine, just requires a "tool".

http://riflegear.com/p-58-prince50-bullet-button.aspx

tazmanian devil dog
06-03-2008, 6:11 PM
If you wanna buy from a gun store and live in the bay area. Try Diablo Valley Guns in Pleasant Hill,ca. They are very oll friendly and have complete guns in stock.

t0kie
06-03-2008, 9:33 PM
If you wanna buy from a gun store and live in the bay area. Try Diablo Valley Guns in Pleasant Hill,ca. They are very oll friendly and have complete guns in stock.

Great, you mean I can buy one ready to shoot & not worry about being illegal? That's cool because I live close by.
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domokun
06-03-2008, 11:24 PM
Great, you mean I can buy one ready to shoot & not worry about being illegal? That's cool because I live close by.

Yes that is correct. If you live in the SF bay area and just want to pick up something "off the shelf" pre-built for you, you may want to check out City Arms in Pacifica, Irvington Arms in Fremont or the Gun Exchange in San Jose as many have mentioned already. However, you will still need to wait 10 days after filling out the DROS paperwork before you can go pick it up and take it to the range to have some fun.

As for the advantages of building your own, you will learn the parts of your rifle and how they go together which will help in the long run when you have to strip (disassemble) it for cleaning. Additionally, building it from parts will allow you to fully customize the rifle to your tastes in terms of style and features.

If you're confused as how all this stuff legally falls together, I strongly suggest you at least look at the "CA AW ID Flowchart (http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf)" first. It will make it all clear to you what is legal and not legal. I can't help but stress the importance of understanding the legal aspects of OLL rifle ownership because you will run into a lot of people who won't know that the OLL rifle you bought from the store or built yourself from parts is legal, does not require a license to own, and will assume that it is an "illegal assault weapon" just because it looks like a rifle someone on the SWAT team or the military would use. In the event that this happens, you may be put into a situation where you will need to clearly and concisely explain to others why the OLL rifle you have is legal to own and operate in our fair state to help diffuse the misinformation that is floating around regarding these great rifles.

Good luck with your build or purchase of your OLL rifle. Welcome to Calguns and don't hesitate to ask more questions on here about building your OLL rifle. :)

t0kie
06-04-2008, 9:21 AM
Thanks for the input, really helpful, yeah for sure I want to be legal & do not want to end up in situation when people tried to confron me & I have no answer for it. I will definitely read all the links. So is it common that when we go to the range, some people start being a smart *ss & telling us that our AR15 is illegal because they way it looks (may be)?
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