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westcoast362
02-18-2015, 6:04 PM
A couple of weeks ago I bought a Gustloff Werke G43. It is in decent condition, and when I figure how to take it apart I will know if it is all matching. It has the rare acw marked mag.
I tried posting pics from photobucket but that skill often eludes me.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb58/westcoast362/IMG_5382_zps79a089cb.jpg (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/westcoast362/media/IMG_5382_zps79a089cb.jpg.html)
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Rogerbutthead
02-18-2015, 8:03 PM
This site has a walkthrough of a disassembly of a G43 with a holdopen device like a bcd should have on its bolt carrier.

http://www.gewehr43.com/tips.html

video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tbgOoD1y-A

Enfield47
02-18-2015, 8:34 PM
Looking forward to seeing the pics once you get it figured out.

Springfield45
02-18-2015, 8:57 PM
Are you going to shoot it? If you are you may want to look into upgrading the gas piston and put new springs in it. There is lots of information about it using google. They are really neat guns.

Rogerbutthead
02-18-2015, 9:21 PM
A bcd is one of the rarer G43's made. They were also made with a lot of sabotage going on - by the prison inmates. I would hope you would not make a bcd your shooter. If it is a mismatch rifle then my opinion would differ.

You can read the Aberdeen test results to see why you should listen to those above who warn about adjusting the gas system.
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/RogerRBH/12-07-2013070152AM_zps6f4af17f.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/RogerRBH/media/12-07-2013070152AM_zps6f4af17f.jpg.html)http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/RogerRBH/12-07-2013070152AM2_zpsfab65b8a.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/RogerRBH/media/12-07-2013070152AM2_zpsfab65b8a.jpg.html)
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As you probably already know, a mismatched parts rifle is worth about half of what an all matching rifle's value - not to mention the cost of replacing the broken parts. Good Luck.

pitfighter
02-18-2015, 10:22 PM
Great post - Roger -
Thanks - those after action reports were very well done, with no sentimentality - they are good reading.

(The test on the FG42 is brutal and pulls no punches. They did not like it.)

Bobby Ricigliano
02-18-2015, 10:36 PM
As much as I am into shooting my C&R's, a G43 would be a safe queen. I would love to own one but I'd never shoot it.

Jarhead
02-19-2015, 5:06 AM
A bcd is one of the rarer G43's made. They were also made with a lot of sabotage going on - by the prison inmates. I would hope you would not make a bcd your shooter. If it is a mismatch rifle then my opinion would differ.

You can read the Aberdeen test results to see why you should listen to those above who warn about adjusting the gas system.
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/RogerRBH/12-07-2013070152AM_zps6f4af17f.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/RogerRBH/media/12-07-2013070152AM_zps6f4af17f.jpg.html)http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/RogerRBH/12-07-2013070152AM2_zpsfab65b8a.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/RogerRBH/media/12-07-2013070152AM2_zpsfab65b8a.jpg.html)
http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/RogerRBH/12-07-2013070152AM3_zps4c303b1f.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/RogerRBH/media/12-07-2013070152AM3_zps4c303b1f.jpg.html)
As you probably already know, a mismatched parts rifle is worth about half of what an all matching rifle's value - not to mention the cost of replacing the broken parts. Good Luck.

Prison Inmates????

You mean Death Camp Slaves?

A few ME 262 crashed, Howitzer Shells exploded in the barrels due to these disgruntled employees.

Paulie Lugnuts
02-19-2015, 6:44 AM
A couple of weeks ago I bought a GustavWerk G43. It is in decent condition, and when I figure how to take it apart I will know if it is all matching. It has the rare acw marked mag.
I tried posting pics from photobucket but that skill often eludes me.

When you have the pic you want, you'll see IMG to the right of it. Left click on IMG, a yellow "copied" will appear to the right of that. Go back to your post and right click, then click paste.

Jarhead
02-19-2015, 7:19 AM
As much as I am into shooting my C&R's, a G43 would be a safe queen. I would love to own one but I'd never shoot it.

I have two that are Safe Queens, all matching ..............get tempted to fire them along with my Lugers but never have. Too expensive these days for Safe Queens ............but then they do make good investments if you don't break them.

Dr. Peter Venkman
02-19-2015, 7:35 AM
Nice acquisition. Haven't seen a G43 on a store shelf in quite awhile. Post pictures when you can.

Jarhead
02-19-2015, 7:56 AM
Both and more -
Disgruntled foreign factory employees, through to slave labor.
To say they were all Death Camp Slaves is incorrect, to say there were many, many people involved with the construction of the rifle who may not have had the integral quality of the final rifle in mind, would however be true.

However the final QC would have been 100% German control, and rather than unsafe rifles making it into the hands of troops, it was more a case of many being rejected and sent back before they even left the factory.
This was just as damaging to re-supply - but in a less-dramatic way.

These QC officers would have been able to determine who was responsible for any obvious flaws, take a look at a picture of a wartime arms factory each post is manned by a skilled artisan or machine operator, it would have been suicide to sabotage something too obviously.

Towards the end, the QC became a lot more lapse and many of these rejected parts were fielded, hence 1944 and 43 dated receivers and parts appearing on 1945 dated rifles/STG's and pistols.

By late 1944 and 1945 the German people were being fed stories of atrocities being committed on German soil by Russians, and the need for firearms and men to use them was certainly desperate - the problems with shooting these arms 70 years later with modern ammunition is less one of cunning sabotage by poor souls looking for vengeance (ALA Schindler's List), than simple poor construction due to rushing to fulfill unrealistic quotas.

The other factor is deteriorating metallurgy - we had a ZB26 rattle to pieces this weekend - it was good to go, then it was in pieces, two very difficult to find parts broken. Thankfully Omega has the spares, but, these old guns are not AK's - any of them.

Russian POWs and Jews being worked to Death is a Death Camp to word it any other way is a disservice to the Millions who were murdered in this manner. German men were at the Front, Germany was drafting 13 year olds and Grand Pa's to make up for the shortage, Women were working in the Flak Brigades. If you read German WW2 History you will easily come to the conclusion that the German People knew what was happening, especially the Soldiers on the Eastern Front ..............though some probably believed that all the Jews were abducted by Aliens.

Nazi's and their minions were the Savages of that era .............burned their share of unarmed civilians.

It's History, its Proven.

pitfighter
02-19-2015, 8:24 AM
The weapon"s" in question were not made by solely by Russian POWs and Jews - this is history and this is proven.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with anything I wrote, which I stand by 100% - and I take offense at your insinuation.

If you are implying that I have anything but the utmost disgust at nazism or any kind of fascism, I respectfully ask you to take it to PM and then meet me in person -
I am only too aware of the holocaust and what it wrought. I have read, interviewed and written considerably on the subject, I would be happy to share this with you - but, in person or PM, as this is a firearms forum.

westcoast362
02-19-2015, 11:54 AM
I'll try again with the pics. Thanks for the help.
No I'm not going to shoot it.

westcoast362
02-19-2015, 12:03 PM
It looks like the pics are up, thanks for the help.

Jarhead
02-19-2015, 12:08 PM
The weapon"s" in question were not made by solely by Russian POWs and Jews - this is history and this is proven.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with anything I wrote, which I stand by 100% - and I take offense at your insinuation.

If you are implying that I have anything but the utmost disgust at nazism or any kind of fascism, I respectfully ask you to take it to PM and then meet me in person -
I am only too aware of the holocaust and what it wrought. I have read, interviewed and written considerably on the subject, I would be happy to share this with you - but, in person or PM, as this is a firearms forum.

My Bad, I should have made that two Post, my intent was not insinuate it was you but too many people really forget what happened ............the weapons were mostly made by POW's and Jews Period ................the Nazi's being the Islamic fanatics / Savages of their Era should have been a Stand Alone Post. My Apologizes for offending you ...................

Jarhead
02-19-2015, 12:11 PM
It looks like the pics are up, thanks for the help.

She is a pretty rifle in a rough way, money probably better spent on a STG 44

pitfighter
02-19-2015, 5:38 PM
My Bad, I should have made that two Post, my intent was not insinuate it was you but too many people really forget what happened ............the weapons were mostly made by POW's and Jews Period ................the Nazi's being the Islamic fanatics / Savages of their Era should have been a Stand Alone Post. My Apologizes for offending you ...................

No worries here - thanks for posting Jarhead, I should have realized :)

OP -

The rifle looks terrific.

I should highly recommend a book Hitler's Garands - it will run you through everything you need to know, and you will be able to determine when and where exactly your rifle originated.
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Garands-German-Self-loading-Rifles/dp/0889352755

It is an excellent read and truly worth the money - it is easier for me to digest this information on paper, rather than internet, and the research the author has done is phenomenal.

The author also has a website for G43 and like weapons that is interesting.
http://www2.vvm.com:81/~histpart/

I have had a number of G43 - I personally shot mine with a few light loads and then put them away. They are increasing in value every year and worthy investments as such I'm not sure of the risk over enjoyment factor.
Frankly not enormously enjoyable IMO - lol.

Rogerbutthead
02-19-2015, 6:05 PM
I haven't been following magazine sales lately, but the last acw K43 mag I saw sold - like two years ago - went for $400. I thought the buyer was nuts. Is it worse now?

As an aside, I did notice that this well known G43 collector/expert was selling his - rarest of the rare - rqs magazine. I will probably never see one like it, but I could not offer 1.5k for a ten round magazine.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=467436083

Discogodfather
02-19-2015, 7:33 PM
I never liked the G41 or G43 because it was not a well designed gun. Very much a knee jerk reaction to the Garand and SVT (probably much more the SVT) which are obviously far superior. I have read Hitler insisted on cast then forged metal to directly copy the Garand, which made little sense when Germany had little knowledge about this process with firearms. Germans make great machined designs and stamped sheet metal design, they never had a decent cast/forging design I can think of.

And don't go overboard with the POW and slave labor stuff, the final solution started in 1942 so things before 42 should be fine. After 43, yes, the quality was terrible and it probably had some kind of slave labor involved.

Enfield47
02-19-2015, 8:24 PM
Nice looking G43. It's too bad they can't be shot much, I don't think I have the willpower not to shoot my guns. LOL You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

grossekatz
02-20-2015, 12:06 PM
I had a g43 for a while, it was decommissioned by a faulty round of Yugoslavian surplus. The receiver cracked and stock split. I was able to rebuild it with a new action but I never had the same love for it after it tried to kill me.
There are just too many issues for them to be regular shooters. They are way over gassed, have a bad habit of slam firing soft primers and the very expensive parts are prone to breakage.

Grendl
02-20-2015, 12:30 PM
I'm going to shoot mine. I've had it a few years but just finally got and installed Apfeltor's Shooter's Kit and and a new Wolff springs service pack.

It's an all matching AC44 but some douche bag sanded and polyurethaned the stock, so....

If someone has a non-matching shooter they'll let me shoot, I promise not to shoot mine, otherwise, all my girls are working girls ;-)

Springfield45
02-20-2015, 5:45 PM
That is a good original looking G43. Mine looks just like yours except for the repaired dufflebag-cut stock. And you look to have the original sight hood, cleaning rod and sling. I want to get a reproduction ZF4 scope for mine.

I have shot mine. I got a new gas piston with a smaller gas hole and replaced all the springs. That decreased the gas output by about 2/3's. I all so shimmed the gas system so as to take out any excess looseness. I have read over and over again on gun forums not to shoot Yugo surplus 8mm in G43's. They are too hot and inconsistent. While several people have recommended Romanian 8mm. My G43 did excellent with the Romanian ammo. It out shot my friend's Hakim and had no misfires or jams. The Hakim had two.

I did a lot of research on the G43 before I shot it. I made myself aware of the typical types of damage that could happen. As with any gun there is all ways a risk. I don't shoot the G43 very much but I do insist on being able to shoot my guns. Weather it is a brand new gun or an antique.

Some people think the G43 was a bad design or was poorly made. I disagree. The G43 had a modern gas system used in most automatic rifles sense then. Even modern AR-15 gas piston systems resemble the G43's. And that is suppose to be the best thing sense sliced bread. It is fairly light weight when compared to the M1 Garand or Hakim. It has a detachable 10 round magazine and was issued with at least two more. You could all so load it with stripper clips from the top. The G43 was the only gun of the time that had a scope rail built on to every gun. It even has a adjustable trigger. The only thing the G43 lacked was a bayonet lug.

As for being poorly made that was not true or a half truth. They wanted a mass produced gun that could be made quickly. The G43 did this by using mostly stamped steal parts. The bolt carrier was cast steal that was left ruff on the outside. Everything else that makes a gun work properly was highly machined. Quality wear it counts. No wasted time wear it didn't.

pitfighter
02-20-2015, 7:29 PM
This is actually a very good thread - which is rare where the G43 is concerned.

There is a lot of wisdom in being careful and doing your research with these old German auto-loaders, and a good amount of that wisdom is being shared here.

Good job Calgunners.

This was the ZB26 that self destructed this weekend - minutes before it came apart -
As you can see the girl shooting it is wearing correct shooting attire and exhibiting good fire discipline :) it's just a 70+ year old piece of metal.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p140/figaro1971/10998418_10155185812050315_4493101330455204325_n_z psqgzfsita.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/figaro1971/media/10998418_10155185812050315_4493101330455204325_n_z psqgzfsita.jpg.html)

Grendl
02-22-2015, 8:34 AM
How bad is the damage Pit?

pitfighter
02-22-2015, 9:52 AM
How bad is the damage Pit?

Everything mechanical can be fixed with money - you just have to be careful with these old guns.

louie
02-22-2015, 10:31 AM
Never shoot the 50's Yugo in a K43 due to case failure issues. These rifles were sand cast receivers, and not that great. In the old days we shot these as well as everything else w/ whatever ammo we found. Remember they cost on average of 69 to 100 dollars up until at least the seventies, to early eighties. Now that they skyrocketed, you really have to be careful shooting these babies.

westcoast362
02-22-2015, 11:47 AM
I took mine apart yesterday and all of the numbers that I found matched. I'm not sure what all is supposed to be numbered. The right locking lug had a very faint electro-penciled number that I could only see if it was angled just right in good light. I could not see any number on the left lug. Should there be a number on the butt plate?

Rogerbutthead
02-22-2015, 12:16 PM
The cast receiver belief was tested and disproved - see Hitler's Garands page 138-139 - Receivers were actually tested and shown to be forgings.

The only time I have seen numbers on the buttplate were VOPOs - put there post war.

Grendl
02-23-2015, 2:12 PM
Everything mechanical can be fixed with money - you just have to be careful with these old guns.

Right: A problem that can be fixed with money is not a problem, it's an expense.

westcoast362
11-27-2016, 4:45 PM
Sharp eye. Yes I recently sold it.

The Gleam
12-03-2016, 1:41 PM
Sharp eye. Yes I recently sold it.

Did you ever get a chance to actually shoot it?

I've been trying to get a decent G43 for years, but every time I come across one I'm either too late, the bore looks like a sewer pipe, or they've been botched in some way, if not sabotaged.

Bobby Ricigliano
12-03-2016, 6:04 PM
I would love to own any German WWII semi-auto rifle. I would not shoot it regardless of condition. They don't even seem to be very good rifles. But they would still be a crown jewel of any natsee gun collection.

Rogerbutthead
12-03-2016, 7:55 PM
They are way too fragile to shoot on a regular basis, even with an aftermarket gas system installed. http://www.apfeltor.com/

I would hazard to guess that 80% of the mismatched G/K43s that you see in the US are mismatched because some numbered part broke while it was in the US.

Maybe higher.

Bobby Ricigliano
12-03-2016, 7:58 PM
They are way too fragile to shoot on a regular basis, even with an aftermarket gas system installed. http://www.apfeltor.com/

I would hazard to guess that 80% of the mismatched G/K43s that you see in the US are mismatched because some numbered part broke while it was in the US.

Maybe higher.

I am a big fan of German guns, but "Hitler's Garand"..... wasn't.

pitfighter
12-04-2016, 1:01 AM
I am a big fan of German guns, but "Hitler's Garand"..... wasn't.

It certainly wasn't...

But, reading the Darrin Weaver book, you get a small taste of the bureaucracy involved with developing a modern firearm within a system that was still operating in many ways along the lines of the old Imperial German army.

The needless features the G41's had to have to get past testing.

The semi-G41(w) (the antecedent to the G43) was a result of Walther ignoring most of the ridiculous Heer group requirements and making their rifle actually work.
Mauser did actually follow the spec to the letter, and consequently their G41(m) was an antiquated over complicated mess.

As anyone who knows the history of the M16 will tell you, trying to field something innovative will often cause massive turbulence and the actual design that gets fielded often ignores, replaces or mis uses those innovations to the point of them becoming liabilities.

Time sorts things out, or in the case of the British SA80, H&K step in to redesign reengineer and help - but, it is anything but natural selection, and anything but common sense.

The G43 was a walk down a path that had no outlet -

GunKraut
12-04-2016, 8:31 AM
It certainly wasn't...

But, reading the Darrin Weaver book, you get a small taste of the bureaucracy involved with developing a modern firearm within a system that was still operating in many ways along the lines of the old Imperial German army.

The needless features the G41's had to have to get past testing.

The semi-G41(w) (the antecedent to the G43) was a result of Walther ignoring most of the ridiculous Heer group requirements and making their rifle actually work.
Mauser did actually follow the spec to the letter, and consequently their G41(m) was an antiquated over complicated mess.

As anyone who knows the history of the M16 will tell you, trying to field something innovative will often cause massive turbulence and the actual design that gets fielded often ignores, replaces or mis uses those innovations to the point of them becoming liabilities.

Time sorts things out, or in the case of the British SA80, H&K step in to redesign reengineer and help - but, it is anything but natural selection, and anything but common sense.

The G43 was a walk down a path that had no outlet -

In so many ways, the MG42 paved the way for modern combat firearms. In a bold move, traditional cast, forged or milled parts were replaced with sheet metal stampings wherever possible and in a forward thinking stroke of genius, the traditional fixed lug locking system with rotating bolt was replaced with roller locks.

It seems awkward that, after a brief detour with ill-fated designs such Mauser's G41(M) and the advent of the MG42, development resources would still be poured into flapper locked designs installed in forged receivers. While the G41/G43 series was definitely a detour on the road to one of the world's best combat rifles, at least the MP44 despite its outdated tilting bolt system can be seen as some kind of a milestone.

Mauser Werke, whose G41(M) lost the race for the Wehrmacht's preferred semi-auto rifle to Walther Werke, began developing a better alternative in late 1943. Undoubtedly inspired by the successful sheet metal design of the MP44, both Walther and Mauser set out to replace the forged receiver of the G43 with a similar stamped sheet metal design. Mauser went one step further and introduced a novel, gas operated roller locked bolt system, dubbing the new rifle "Gerät 03". Thankfully, Mauser engineers recognized early on that developing and refining a G43 based rifle using stamped sheet metal receivers and other simplifications still resulted in an awkward, expensive design.

Their next step was designing a brand new sheet metal receiver around the Gerät 03's gas operated roller lock mechanism. The result was the Gerät 06, another intermediate step. Further simplifications such as eliminating the gas cycling system in favor of a delayed blowback system with half-locked rollers, resulted in the Gerät 06H. By that time the war was over and it would take years for the Gerät 06H to be reinvented as CETME Modelo 2, the forefather of the Heckler and Koch G3.

From a historical point of view, development of the G43 series in light of known better alternatives was a dead end street. In my opinion, the rigid arms procurement system and the deteriorating situation at the Eastern front prevented the development of a better rifle and allowed inferior gap-filler designs to soldier on until the bitter end.

pitfighter
12-04-2016, 12:11 PM
Gunkraut -

I have been exploring armories and museums here in the UK - and got to handle an MP45 last month (along with it's ultra-rare Walther factory marked MP44 magazine) - that truly was the most advanced of the German auto-rifles in my opinion, and is only a micro-meter away from the Cetme that it's designers went on to engineer in post-war Spain - before moving back to Germany to work with Heckler and Koch.

Fascinating how advanced they really were - and that the army that could have had an MP45 was still wasting time with G43's - but that was to ours (and the free worlds) advantage.

GunKraut
12-04-2016, 1:29 PM
Gunkraut -

I have been exploring armories and museums here in the UK - and got to handle an MP45 last month (along with it's ultra-rare Walther factory marked MP44 magazine) - that truly was the most advanced of the German auto-rifles in my opinion, and is only a micro-meter away from the Cetme that it's designers went on to engineer in post-war Spain - before moving back to Germany to work with Heckler and Koch.

Fascinating how advanced they really were - and that the army that could have had an MP45 was still wasting time with G43's - but that was to ours (and the free worlds) advantage.

Pit, I'm envious. I've never seen an MP45 / StG45(M) in person, let alone fondled one. Would you happen to have pictures?

pitfighter
12-04-2016, 1:38 PM
First visit was no pictures for me, England is a little different about guns - I intend to make another visit - the upstairs is a private collection, the downstairs the movie rental business.

I am renting guns from them next week - so, will have some leverage to work with.

They have a G-type Fg42 from the same serial "hundred" block as mine.
But, theirs has the incredibly rare, as in no book, no photo, no written evidence, Slj02 magazine. Which I am of course desperate to photograph.

(An Slj01 reached $2500 and didn't break the reserve last week on GB)

They didn't mind me photographing the rentals though - so here those are:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p140/figaro1971/15301061_10157680754165315_1367539196_n_zpsyzijsvq x.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/figaro1971/media/15301061_10157680754165315_1367539196_n_zpsyzijsvq x.jpg.html)

Rogerbutthead
12-06-2016, 9:54 AM
watch?v=WEPwmYcCPFs

Another weapon I will never have in my hands.

westcoast362
12-10-2016, 8:15 PM
I never shot it. I never intended to shoot it when I bought it. I don't shoot my P-08's or my WWII P-38's. There is too much money at stake. I have plenty of others to shoot.

pitfighter
12-11-2016, 8:39 AM
I never shot it. I never intended to shoot it when I bought it. I don't shoot my P-08's or my WWII P-38's. There is too much money at stake. I have plenty of others to shoot.

Wise choice Westcoast - without the shooter kit installed, there are parts to lose or break on the G43's -

PS - sorry for cluttering up your thread.

GunKraut
12-11-2016, 3:20 PM
PS - sorry for cluttering up your thread.

Your kind of "cluttering" is always welcome. The rifles at the UK location are quite something. Can't wait to see more of that guy's stuff.

SVT-40
12-12-2016, 9:35 AM
This is actually a very good thread - which is rare where the G43 is concerned.

There is a lot of wisdom in being careful and doing your research with these old German auto-loaders, and a good amount of that wisdom is being shared here.

Good job Calgunners.

This was the ZB26 that self destructed this weekend - minutes before it came apart -
As you can see the girl shooting it is wearing correct shooting attire and exhibiting good fire discipline :) it's just a 70+ year old piece of metal.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p140/figaro1971/10998418_10155185812050315_4493101330455204325_n_z psqgzfsita.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/figaro1971/media/10998418_10155185812050315_4493101330455204325_n_z psqgzfsita.jpg.html)

Love the Zb-26!!!!! Converted to shoot 7.62x39mm and use AK mags!!!
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Mobile%20Uploads/Guns/th_20130612_155443_zps0heoxkkq.mp4 (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Mobile%20Uploads/Guns/20130612_155443_zps0heoxkkq.mp4)

pitfighter
12-12-2016, 5:02 PM
Original ZB26 with original ZB26 magazines shooting PPU red tip 8x57mm blanks from Atlantic Wall.
(One thing was not original was the Chinese bolt in the ZB, marked with the Chinese armory reverse swastika.)

BarrettM99
12-14-2016, 4:13 AM
I'd love to own an Sturmgewehr vier und vierzig (stg44) but since there is a company making these rifles now, I may explore that route. Much cheaper and I can shoot them. They have multiple caliber options as well.

I can't remember the company name right this second.

The Gleam
12-14-2016, 4:20 AM
I'd love to own an Sturmgewehr vier und vierzig (stg44) but since there is a company making these rifles now, I may explore that route. Much cheaper and I can shoot them. They have multiple caliber options as well.

I can't remember the company name right this second.

HMG - and nope; they were GOING to make them. A year later from their first announcement and nothing. A lot of big talk, and nothing anywhere near being made. Don't expect them to even have a working prototype for another 4 years at the earliest.

You can see the original hopes and dreams of fellow Calgunners withering and crashing in flames in this thread here:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1137629&highlight=STG-44