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Sabah_Alev
05-31-2008, 7:16 PM
turns out if i get a firearms safety class my first shotgun will be bought for me. which is when i was stuck wondering if i should go mossberg 500 or 590. I have my eye set on the 590. so i leave the question to you far more experanced gun owners, where should i go? it would be used for desert shooting hunting and trap/skeet.\
and any pics if possible

MAX100
05-31-2008, 10:32 PM
The 590 would make a great shotgun for home defense and desert shooting but it is not the best choice for hunting and trap & skeet. The Mossberg 500 combo with both 18.5" barrel and 28" would be and excellent choice for all three and cost less. I believe the 28" barrel is ported also.

Here is a 590A1 18.5" barrel with GRS and one of my custom 7+1 mag tube extensions, which are not available anywhere else.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/MAX100/590A1-3-1.jpg


GC

RedDawn
06-01-2008, 12:01 AM
I agree.
The Mossberg 500 combo turns out better. The barrels are very easy to switch between, without tools. Put on the 18.5" barrel for HD, switch it out to the 28" barrel when shooting clays.

SFFRONTMAN
06-01-2008, 12:22 AM
Or take a look at a Remington 870 combo :D.

Sabah_Alev
06-01-2008, 1:48 AM
Here is a 590A1 18.5" barrel with GRS and one of my custom 7+1 mag tube extensions, which are not available anywhere else.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/MAX100/590A1-3-1.jpg


GC

hmm, well HD is a big plus for me, what makes it bad for hunting and skeet/trap, is it the barrel length?

maxicon
06-01-2008, 10:15 AM
With the 500 family, mag extensions aren't easy like the 870, so you'll need to figure out what's more important and go there first.

You can't easily extend the mag capacity on the 2 barrel combo. Likewise, the defender style with 20" barrel and 8 round tube won't take other barrels. The barrel mounts are in different positions.

If you want both extended mag capacity and barrel swap capability, you'll want an 870.

Sabah_Alev
06-01-2008, 12:47 PM
what about mag extensions for thew 590? on the same level as the 870?

MAX100
06-01-2008, 3:31 PM
Many believe the 590A1 is a step above the 870 express and the 870 Police. That is for you to decide. They both will hold up well for your needs.

If you get a 590 with a 20" barrel there are no tube ext needed because it has a mag tube that goes to the muzzle. It is a 8+1 capacity shotgun. The 590A1 18.5" barrel LE shotgun has a 5+1 capacity. You have two choices, either put a Vang +1 tube ext 6+1 capacity on it or put one of my custom +2 tube ext 7+1 capacity on it.

The 590 with 20" barrel would be they cheaper way to go but it has a longer barrel. Many find the 18.5" barrel a better choice for home defense and law enforcement work.



GC

Sabah_Alev
06-01-2008, 9:38 PM
better question, how easy is it to change out barrels on the 590?

MAX100
06-01-2008, 10:26 PM
It is very easy to do just as easy as the 870.


GC

twitch57
06-01-2008, 10:30 PM
i agree with maxicon
870 is the best bet

Sabah_Alev
06-02-2008, 7:04 AM
Twitch, your bias, and you got all jealous when another one was going to be purchased...and besides i have my heart set on a mossberg. much the way a ford fan sticks by his blue oval despite quality issues, i was simply trying to gauge how much work I'm going to have to put into it

ohsmily
06-03-2008, 1:15 PM
Was "wounderful" supposed to be a pun about wounding someone/something?

Sabah_Alev
06-03-2008, 3:21 PM
Was "wounderful" supposed to be a pun about wounding someone/something?

wait what? I've afraid you make no sense what so ever, the wounderful turn of events is that i don't have to pay for the bloody thing..so i dunno what you are getting at

maxicon
06-04-2008, 6:04 PM
I believe the 590 has the same issues as the 500 - they're very similar guns. That is, you can have an 8 round mag tube and 20" barrel, or a 5 round mag tube and easily changeable 18.5/28" (or whatever) barrels.

Mossberg was rumored to have made 28" barrels for the 8 round tube at one time, but I've never seen one.

FWIW, I didn't say the 870 was better, just that it's easier to do the extended mag and multiple barrel lengths, so it's a personal preference thing. I've got a 1300 Defender, myself!

If I'm wrong about the 590 vs 500, someone clarify please.

MAX100
06-04-2008, 8:42 PM
The 590 has a cleanout mag tube and can accept tube extensions. The standard 500 has a closed tube and can't. The standard 500 barrels will not work on the 590 because of the different mag tube setup. The 500 breacher barrel will work on the 590A1 with a 18.5" barrel.

The 500 tactical breacher, 590A1 18.5" barrel, 500 MilsGun, 835, 935 all have the same mag tube styles and take the same tube extensions.


GC

ar15barrels
06-05-2008, 12:11 AM
The 590 has a cleanout mag tube and can accept tube extensions. The standard 500 has a closed tube and can't. The standard 500 barrels will not work on the 590 because of the different mag tube setup. The 500 breacher barrel will work on the 590A1 with a 18.5" barrel.

I think this is exactly why the 870 is a better option.
An 870 is an 870 is an 870.
Changing barrel lengths is not an issue.
Magazine tubes are available from several sources in several lengths.
You don't have to "choose" a barrel length when you chose what model to buy.
Just buy what's cheapest and swap out barrels as required.

Sabah_Alev
06-05-2008, 12:24 AM
well i think the underlying point is that i don't want an 870, i have my eye set on a mossberg, 500 or 590.

ar15barrels
06-05-2008, 12:56 AM
the underlying point is that i don't want an 870, i have my eye set on a mossberg, 500 or 590.

So choose your model based on what barrel length and magazine capacity you want.
590's are better guns with their metal fire control group.
500's use a lot more plastic parts.

maxicon
06-05-2008, 9:44 AM
Yeah, if budget's not an issue, the 590's the way to go. If it is, you can't go wrong with the combo barrel version for the price.

ohsmily
06-05-2008, 3:31 PM
Was "wounderful" supposed to be a pun about wounding someone/something?
wait what? I've afraid you make no sense what so ever, the wounderful turn of events is that i don't have to pay for the bloody thing..so i dunno what you are getting at

I make perfect sense. I'm afraid you are a little slow. "Wounderful" is not a word in the English language. "Wonderful" is. So is "wound." I thought you were making a clever pun about how wonderful it was to get a shotgun and then go out and go shooting/hunting. But in fact, it is just that you are incapable of spelling the word "wonderful" correctly and didn't get my (minimally) humorous post.

brassburnz
06-05-2008, 7:56 PM
turns out if i get a firearms safety class my first shotgun will be bought for me. which is when i was stuck wondering if i should go mossberg 500 or 590. I have my eye set on the 590. so i leave the question to you far more experanced gun owners, where should i go? it would be used for desert shooting hunting and trap/skeet.\
and any pics if possible

Big 5 has the 590 on sale for $339.99. This is the tactical model. Doesn't say what the barrel length is, but it does say it's a 9 shot.

To shoot trap or skeet, you would normally use a longer barrel which may or may not be available. To hunt, you would need a plug to restrict the number of rounds.

Pardon me if my grammar and spelling isn't up to everyone's standards. I just bought a new illustrated version of Strunk and White, but seemed to have misplaced it.

Sabah_Alev
06-05-2008, 9:09 PM
is 9 illegal in California?

ar15barrels
06-05-2008, 9:13 PM
is 9 illegal in California?

huh? :confused:

rkt88edmo
06-05-2008, 9:14 PM
I think he is referring to magazine capacity

Sabah_Alev
06-05-2008, 10:12 PM
I make perfect sense. I'm afraid you are a little slow. "Wounderful" is not a word in the English language. "Wonderful" is. So is "wound." I thought you were making a clever pun about how wonderful it was to get a shotgun and then go out and go shooting/hunting. But in fact, it is just that you are incapable of spelling the word "wonderful" correctly and didn't get my (minimally) humorous post.

thank you mother I'll be sure to check my spelling next time. Here however is something i can spell correctly "your a bugger" now, if you are willing to grow up and look past minor TYPOS I'm sure we can get on with an adult conversation.


I think he is referring to magazine capacity

yes, you are correct, i would have thought a store would sell only California legal things knowing that they get crucified far more than owners themselves..

ar15barrels
06-05-2008, 10:21 PM
There is no restriction on magazine capacity for a pump-action shotgun.

pullnshoot25
06-05-2008, 10:45 PM
thank you mother I'll be sure to check my spelling next time. Here however is something i can spell correctly "your a bugger" now, if you are willing to grow up and look past minor TYPOS I'm sure we can get on with an adult conversation.




yes, you are correct, i would have thought a store would sell only California legal things knowing that they get crucified far more than owners themselves..

Actually, you got that wrong too. It is "YOU'RE a bugger"

Sorry, I am slightly anal about words and their usage.

Sabah_Alev
06-05-2008, 10:57 PM
somehow i think both of you are missing the point

ar15barrels
06-05-2008, 10:58 PM
somehow i think both of you are missing the point

Maybe if you were clearer, we wouldn't. ;)

MAX100
06-05-2008, 11:03 PM
Sorry, I am slightly anal about words and their usage.


I am anal about people who are anal about words and their usage and find they need to correct others.

I usually turn and go the other way when I see them coming. Try and stick to the topic. This is a gun forum you know.


GC

Sabah_Alev
06-05-2008, 11:05 PM
Maybe if you were clearer, we wouldn't. ;)

i thought it was "i want to get a mossberg shotgun, help me find out what the specs are. not correct my abysmal spelling...

my question still stands...is a 9+1 shell capacity illegal in the decent state of California

ar15barrels
06-05-2008, 11:53 PM
my question still stands...is a 9+1 shell capacity illegal in the decent state of California

I don't know that I can be any clearer than what I posted above:

There is no restriction on magazine capacity for a pump-action shotgun.

pullnshoot25
06-06-2008, 5:37 AM
I am anal about people who are anal about words and their usage and find they need to correct others.

I usually turn and go the other way when I see them coming. Try and stick to the topic. This is a gun forum you know.


GC

Can I be anal about those that are anal?

Lighten up buttercup, its all in good humor.

proraptor
06-06-2008, 8:02 AM
So choose your model based on what barrel length and magazine capacity you want.
590's are better guns with their metal fire control group.
500's use a lot more plastic parts.

The 590A1 is the only one that has the metal fire control group and safety. The other 590's are plastic

I have a 20 inch 590a1 and in my opinion its the best pump shotgun out there for HD...Ive shot clay with it and it works just fine with the 20 inch barrel

maxicon
06-06-2008, 10:37 AM
Yeah, I should have posted this earlier. Someone here posted it before - sorry about not crediting the OP:

The difference between the 500 and the 590 are...

590A1:
- parkerized
- metal trigger guard
- thicker heavier barrel (no heat shield)
- bayonet lug on 20" barrel (7+1 shot)
- available in 14" , 18.5", and 20"
- barrel mounts to tube mag differently then 500
- Ghost ring sights or bead
- Left side(opposite of ejection port) marked: 590A1
- safety on receiver made of metal rather than plastic

590:
- parkerized, blued, or MarineCote
- plastic trigger guard
- regular barrel some with heat shield
- may or may not hat bayo lug on 20" barrel
- barrel mounts to tube mag differently then 500

500
- usually blued, but can come parked or marine coated
- plastic trigger guard
- usually doesnot have bayo lug
- regular barrel so heat shield will fit, but usually does not come with one from the factory
- barrel mounts to tube mag with a screw so barrel swapping is easy with 5+1 magazine tube
- usually can get a combo 18" barrel and 28" vent ribbed barrel


Off topic: I agree - lighten up on spelling/grammar. As long as the meaning is clear, it really doesn't matter. Snarky comments don't add anything to the thread or the forum as a whole. Can't we just be a little nicer to each other?

ohsmily
06-06-2008, 11:10 AM
There is no restriction on magazine capacity for a pump-action shotgun.



my question still stands...is a 9+1 shell capacity illegal in the decent state of California

You should post less and read more.

ar15barrels
06-06-2008, 12:55 PM
"Wounderful" is not a word in the English language.

Maybe he's a member of the british labour party?

You really should ease up on the spelling corrections.
Some people just can't spell good.
That does not make them bad people.

ke6guj
06-06-2008, 1:48 PM
There is no restriction on magazine capacity for a pump-action shotgun.

I thought that the limit was 10 rounds in the mag tube unless it was a .22 or a lever-action.

(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

Sabah_Alev
06-06-2008, 3:49 PM
i seemed to have skipped over that comment, my bad, and so far from that list of qualities, I'm aiming for the 590A1, now, price range anyone?

Shotgun Man
06-06-2008, 4:52 PM
It was actually the noob who started it.

OhSmiley merely was complimenting him on his clever pun, and the noob capped off on him.

OhSmiley had the right of reprisal.

Two Shots
06-06-2008, 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohsmily
I make perfect sense. I'm afraid you are a little slow. "Wounderful" is not a word in the English language.

It's a internet word :http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wounderful
Shotgun Man: I'm just giving ohSmily a hard time, We should put a warning that grammer will be corrected.:)

Ravenslair
06-06-2008, 10:24 PM
I thought that the limit was 10 rounds in the mag tube unless it was a .22 or a lever-action.

10 round limit for semi-auto shotguns only. No limit for pump action shotguns.

ke6guj
06-06-2008, 11:02 PM
10 round limit for semi-auto shotguns only. No limit for pump action shotguns.You got a PC section for that? 12020(c)(25) looks like any 11 round tubular magazine would be considered a LCM with those listed exemptions. A shotgun would not qualify for (B) since it isn't a .22lr. As for (C), does pump-action = lever action?