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Toolbox X
05-28-2008, 9:34 PM
California Rifles is proud to announce the new B-15 Bullet Button.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/IMG_6813.jpg

The B-15 Bullet Button can be installed and removed in seconds. Please watch this video to see it in action: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/th_B-15BulletButton1.jpg (http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/?action=view&current=B-15BulletButton1.flv)

The B-15 includes a Prince50 mag button which must be installed prior to use. If you already have a Prince50 installed you can simply attach the B-15 to your existing Prince50.
Included with each B-15 is the Prince 50 mag button, 3/32 hex wrench, spring and screw:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/IMG_6797.jpg

The best part is I am shipping them to the following retailers tomorrow:
Coldwar Shooters
LAN World Inc
Riflegear.com
Irvington Arms
Ten Percent Firearms
Spike's Tactical

The price is $35

I only had 100 made for the first run, so expect them to sell out fast. More will arrive very soon.

The B-15 has been in development for many months, and while it is a simple device, the design was painfully hard to engineer. It is already patent pending.

The device is machined from aluminum and hard anodized. Mr. Prince50 himself is manufacturing the B-15 for California Rifles, so you can rest assured the quality is excellent.

Much to the dismay of the California DOJ, the B-15 has many fantastic uses. Some which are:
- When you switch your rifle between your U-15 stock or MMG to pistol grip and stock, the B-15 is perfect.
- Every time you switch your pistol grip AR-15 back and forth from .22LR to 5.56, the B-15 is perfect.
- When you find yourself in a free state, the B-15 is perfect.

I hope you like it!

-Grant

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/IMG_6809.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/IMG_6810.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/IMG_6811.jpg

Toolbox X
05-28-2008, 9:35 PM
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/IMG_6812.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/IMG_6815.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/IMG_6807.jpg

NSR500
05-28-2008, 9:39 PM
Great job as usual!

mecam
05-28-2008, 9:39 PM
Very nice. :hurray:

MonsterMan
05-28-2008, 9:39 PM
Very cool!! Nice work. :)

jandmtv
05-28-2008, 9:47 PM
Very nice design, its always nice to have more options.

hoffmang
05-28-2008, 9:58 PM
That is... EVIL BUT LEGAL!

Excellent work!

-Gene

leelaw
05-28-2008, 10:01 PM
Those look pretty neat. I'll have to get at least one.

domokun
05-28-2008, 10:01 PM
Good work! Now all those people with Prince50 maglocks won't have to uninstall the whole darned thing to get a BB setup. :clap:

JeffM
05-28-2008, 10:02 PM
Great design!

When I stop spending all my money building AKs I'll have to snag one of these to build an AR OLL.

Quiet
05-28-2008, 10:02 PM
Shiny. :43:

Excellent job.

jjperl
05-28-2008, 10:03 PM
wow... thats really cool! I want one.

DedEye
05-28-2008, 10:03 PM
As awesome online as it was to see in person; can't wait go get one myself ;).

isitkool
05-28-2008, 10:06 PM
What? No two weeks!

jjperl
05-28-2008, 10:06 PM
does it come with a prince 50?

Spyder
05-28-2008, 10:07 PM
Are you selling them as well, or just through the vendors? If you're selling them yourself, I'd love to stop on by and pick one up ASAP.

I drove down and picked up a U15 stock from you a year or so ago, if you remember me. (7'0", helped load a bbq or something into the back of someones truck)

DedEye
05-28-2008, 10:10 PM
does it come with a prince 50?

It's a Prince50 button underneath, but Grant told me it wasn't coming with the set screw (is that still the case?).

Someguy925
05-28-2008, 10:11 PM
interesting... this will go on my first OLL build.

trashman
05-28-2008, 10:16 PM
Great work Toolbox!

--Neill

.223
05-28-2008, 10:43 PM
And I just ordered a bullet button yesterday :kest:

scewper
05-28-2008, 10:43 PM
Looks really good. I like how you can use the original magazine button spring, it is much stronger.

trilogy
05-28-2008, 10:47 PM
I like this a lot!!! It will make its way onto my rifle build, which will hopefully happen this summer!

--Matt

NiteQwill
05-28-2008, 10:48 PM
I want it, now!

blackberg
05-28-2008, 11:05 PM
Nice!,
I knew it was good thing when I realized all my OLL Keepers were multi caliber :D

-bb

bwiese
05-28-2008, 11:12 PM
Nice. Where there's a will there's a way!

I'm optimistic there will be a day when your product will not be needed :)

adamsreeftank
05-29-2008, 12:13 AM
It looks good, but I'm trying to visualize how it actually works. When you use the bullet tip, does the screw head move in and out or is it screwed in tight?

draconianruler
05-29-2008, 12:35 AM
Is it going to be offered just by itself for those with Prince50 mag locks already?

oogabooga
05-29-2008, 12:46 AM
It looks good, but I'm trying to visualize how it actually works. When you use the bullet tip, does the screw head move in and out or is it screwed in tight?

I'm thinking the screw does move in and out as it is screwed into the prince50. *still speculation* The screw goes through the provided spring, and the screw head sits below the B-15's surface so you can't remove the screw by hand. So when you push the prince50 in with the bullet tip, the screw also goes down further into the B-15's body with the prince50 as one piece, and is assisted by the provided spring to go back to its rest position. Again that's just what I think. I'm probably totally off.

DedEye
05-29-2008, 1:39 AM
I'm thinking the screw does move in and out as it is screwed into the prince50. *still speculation* The screw goes through the provided spring, and the screw head sits below the B-15's surface so you can't remove the screw by hand. So when you push the prince50 in with the bullet tip, the screw also goes down further into the B-15's body with the prince50 as one piece, and is assisted by the provided spring to go back to its rest position. Again that's just what I think. I'm probably totally off.

Not sure I follow what you said, sorry :o.

I've seen the B15 in person and used it, and the best I can come to describing how it works is something like this:

The shroud is held in place to the mag release button by the screw (which goes through the spring). The shroud is held firmly to the receiver by the screw, but the spring ensures that there is enough tension and freedom of movement that the mag release button can still be depressed. There's just enough movement for the button to be pressed with the bullet, while still keeping the shroud locked tight in place.

In my (extremely limited experience with the prototype), it was slightly harder to depress the mag release with a bullet than it is with a regular bullet button; fair trade off in my mind, however.

FlyingPen
05-29-2008, 1:51 AM
I can't see the video...

So is it basically that when the shroud is removed, it becomes a regular mag release?

Q
05-29-2008, 1:57 AM
That is... EVIL BUT LEGAL!
got to save this one. :D

Can we get a better price if we already have the p50 button? :)

doughboy334
05-29-2008, 3:26 AM
Bravo!

tenpercentfirearms
05-29-2008, 5:29 AM
I will do a full review as soon as I get mine.

double_action
05-29-2008, 6:13 AM
Great idea. Best bullet button ever!

sac5.0
05-29-2008, 6:38 AM
Grant
great job. hope they sell well for you and Prince 50.

what2be
05-29-2008, 7:49 AM
Can someone explain exactly how it works?
Im assuming what makes this one different is that you can remove the screw and it functions as a "stock" type push button magazine release and with the screw in you need a tool to remove the magazine?

*edit* nevermind, I can see how it works. You have the "stock" mag release albeit another hole for this screw to attach to it. And the bb goes over the stock mag release. Therefore, when you go out of state, you simply unscrew the small allen and the bb comes off, leaving you with a push button. Nice idea.

maxicon
05-29-2008, 7:59 AM
Can we get a better price if we already have the p50 button? :)

Same here - I already have a couple of Prince 50s. Will you be selling just the BB adapter for them?

mike22ca
05-29-2008, 8:44 AM
Pretty F'n cool. Always good to have more options.

I too am curious does it come as a complete kit ready to drop in for $35.00, or do you have buy the Prince 50 set seperately?

DrunkSkunk
05-29-2008, 8:50 AM
I too am curious does it come as a complete kit ready to drop in for $35.00, or do you have buy the Prince 50 set seperately?


Included with each B-15 is the Prince 50 mag button, 3/32 hex wrench, spring and screw:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/B-15/IMG_6797.jpg

Hope this helps

deleted by PC police
05-29-2008, 8:51 AM
Very cool, I will have to order one when I get recover from my vacations and getting my dogs.

RobT2K
05-29-2008, 8:57 AM
So anyone got them for sale yet?
I'd like to order one.

Never mind, got a pre order in now.

big50_1
05-29-2008, 9:01 AM
Imaginative idea! Isn't America great! I use MMGs but this makes the shift back and forth easier. Shoot, now I gotta' remember--MMG, NO BB;GRIP, BB...MMG, NO BB;GRIP, BB.

drclark
05-29-2008, 9:05 AM
I think I can conceptually visualize how it works. Is it possible to over tighten the screw that holds the cover onto mag button and essentially disable the mag release or is the threaded hole in the mag button such tha the cover screw will bottom out before that happens?

I assume they will work with P50kits that are already installed once the set screw is removed?

Will anyone have some for the next show in costa-mesa? I would be looking to buy 2.

drc

ohsmily
05-29-2008, 9:07 AM
Hope this helps

Nice. Even in your compromised, post-accident state, you were able to point out what should have been obvious to everyone else. Good work.

Red_5
05-29-2008, 9:10 AM
HOT DOG! I like it! I have BB and Prince 50 setups and this is a great new idea that combines the goodness of both setups.

Great Job!

Spyduh
05-29-2008, 10:43 AM
Was this close in buying a BB yesterday.

I'll be buying this for my 1st setup :43:

jimbo1747
05-29-2008, 10:54 AM
Same here - I already have a couple of Prince 50s. Will you be selling just the BB adapter for them?

+1, would love to just buy the B-15 w/o the Prince50, since I already have a couple Prince50s.

BTW - Great idea and product... as always!!!

Satex
05-29-2008, 11:23 AM
Absolutely wonderful design!
This has one very important advantage over the original bullet button. In an unfriendly LE encounter, it will become immediately clear to the officer that this rifle is configured different, versus the horror stories we heard of officers trying to eject the "stuck" magazine.
Who said you can't build a better mousetrap?

trinydex
05-29-2008, 11:29 AM
I will do a full review as soon as I get mine.

post it here? i just want an update when you get them so i can order two.

12:13
05-29-2008, 12:56 PM
Sweet:43: Only 100 made though, no doubt these will go quick!!

Socal858
05-29-2008, 1:28 PM
i called riflegear and told them i must must must have one and forced my credit card number at them:43: the nice lady on the phone said they will let me know as soon as it ships

thmpr
05-29-2008, 2:20 PM
I can't see the video...

So is it basically that when the shroud is removed, it becomes a regular mag release?

Correct.

dfletcher
05-29-2008, 3:24 PM
BTW, I think that will work on the Sig 556, yes?

Blacky
05-29-2008, 3:31 PM
Does anyone see any cons - I'm not saying I do, I just hate getting excited about new solutions to old problems and ending up disappointed.

Knight
05-29-2008, 3:32 PM
Awesome! This will be perfect for my 2nd AR build. A great evolutionary step for us CA AR owners.

tophatjones
05-29-2008, 4:54 PM
Nice work! Btw, I bet if you are able to offer a P50 conversion kit, you'd probably sell a ton of those as well. Lots o folks already got the P50 ;)

trinydex
05-29-2008, 4:57 PM
Nice work! Btw, I bet if you are able to offer a P50 conversion kit, you'd probably sell a ton of those as well. Lots o folks already got the P50 ;)

yeah... i'd have to amend my order to one of each.

Darklyte27
05-29-2008, 5:31 PM
How did I miss this thread yesterday?!! oh ya I had food poisoning.. damn jack in the box.:puke::sleeping:

dfletcher
05-29-2008, 5:42 PM
Does anyone see any cons - I'm not saying I do, I just hate getting excited about new solutions to old problems and ending up disappointed.

Yes - if you're married you'll have to choose between getting another AR to slap this on and kissing off a little "hey hey" with an upset wife. ;)

Seriously, I don't see a down side. The deficiency of the plain P50 from my point of view was that using it - instead of a BB since we're talking fixed - was that you had to top load an AR with a P50. Unscrewing the set screw on a P50 for each mag change just wasn't viable, I think. The B15 in effect allows you to have a "temped" BB with an easy switch out to regular mag function when out of state or for the easy change to an MMG.

The BB is easy to remove, but spinning on a regular mag release and going with an MMG is more time consuming than a B15. Plus, I use a large bolt release that doesn't allow for an easy switch out. I have to remove the bolt release because it blocks spinning on a conventional mag release.

Honest, my 1st reaction was that the B15 is neat, but I wasn't going to rush to get one. More I consider it, the more I like it.

lehn20
05-29-2008, 5:51 PM
Sweet.

I like the fact that you dont have to alter the original magrelease. It just piggybacks.

Coolio

thefinger
05-29-2008, 7:34 PM
PERFECT. I have been waiting for something like this FOREVER. All the PROS and none of the cons for CA legal AR15 builds! PLEASE PROMISE YOU WON'T STOP AT 100 UNITS. I NEED ONE.:D

jhova98040
05-29-2008, 7:42 PM
wow. great work!!! any plans to sell just the new bullet button w/o Prince 50 for those of us that already have Prince 50s?


edit: already been asked hehe, my bad.

Ugly Dwarf
05-29-2008, 7:55 PM
Yes - if you're married you'll have to choose between getting another AR to slap this on and kissing off a little "hey hey" with an upset wife. ;)

Funny...

... and exactly what I was just thinking.

Toolbox X
05-29-2008, 8:18 PM
To address some questions:

First off, I have every intention of having many many more B-15's produced. I started with 100 just to make sure demand was high enough to justify me throwing down thousands and thousand of dollars to produce hundred of these things.

Second, yes, I think I can sell the B-15 upgrade kit (without the P50) for around $25. However, the first 100 B-15's all come with the P50. Also, I have no way to gauge demand for a B-15 without the P50, so I will probably keep those runs small. I do not want all the gun shops to find themselves out of B-15's and only with upgrade kits.

Third, the B-15 will only work with lowers that have a normal fence around the mag button. Some lowers like the Sun Devil will not work without serious dremel work to the B-15. We will need to wait for someone like CWS to tell us which lowers have a problem.

The B-15 will not work with the Sig 556 or Fulton .308. I know because I have them. I may machine a custom B-15 for those rifle for myself, but I have no immediate plans to produce them. If demand is high enough and people are willing to put deposits down, I will talk to Darin about producing B-15's for other rifles.

Lastly, thank you to everyone for all the positive feedback. I am really proud of the B-15. Figuring out the design was very difficult, and it took a lot of hard work to make the release happen. Your praise really means a lot to me.

-Grant

Steyr_223
05-29-2008, 8:34 PM
Excellent work Grant! I will have to checkout IA when they get them..

tenpercentfirearms
05-29-2008, 9:05 PM
I do not want all the gun shops to find themselves out of B-15's and only with upgrade kits.

That will not be a problem. Then a guy would have to spend $45 to get one of each! :43:

swhatb
05-30-2008, 12:05 AM
That will not be a problem. Then a guy would have to spend $45 to get one of each! :43:

Wes - When will you be posting for sale the B-15 Bullet Button on your web site!!! I took a look a minute a go and didn't see it listed. Want to snag two of those pups! Thanks.

Diablo
05-30-2008, 7:08 AM
Nice...Why can't I come up with ideas like these??:shrug:

I'll wait for the upgrade kits since I have some P50s already. Great job!!!

phsieh10
05-30-2008, 9:54 AM
Will the B-15 fit an XCR?

FlyingPen
05-30-2008, 10:12 AM
What's the advantage to a B-15 if you just carry a spare regular mag release and small BB removal tool in one of your storage compartments?

I guess the B-15 is slightly easier since all you have to do is remove the hex screw? For future builds, definitely seems the right way.

Prowler
05-30-2008, 10:17 AM
Very well done and great a great video! That's a money-maker!

Toolbox X
05-30-2008, 10:19 AM
Will the B-15 fit an XCR?

I don't think the B-15 will fit the XCR, but I will find out.

munkeeboi
05-30-2008, 12:02 PM
just ordered mine from riflegear!

trinydex
05-30-2008, 1:06 PM
I don't think the B-15 will fit the XCR, but I will find out.

even if it doesn't fit outright, a little bit of sanding (or a lot) would make it fit on just about any m16 style mag button/recess right?

Toolbox X
05-30-2008, 2:08 PM
even if it doesn't fit outright, a little bit of sanding (or a lot) would make it fit on just about any m16 style mag button/recess right?

If you consider a dremel and sandpaper to be the same thing, yes.

trinydex
05-30-2008, 2:09 PM
haha well i always start with the dremel but you gotta hand finish it!

phsieh10
05-30-2008, 2:20 PM
Grant,
If you send me a sample, I can confirm whether it will fit an xcr.

hoffmang
05-30-2008, 3:27 PM
This is a very different and, from the looks of it, superior design to other shroud concepts. It appears that the hole for tool activation is smaller which makes it difficult to get a finger in to actuate.

I'll post more thoughts once I get to handle it, but having helped design the original I know something of the dimensions.

-Gene

Toolbox X
05-30-2008, 3:54 PM
Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one version of the bullet button discontinued because it didn't have enough of a shroud around the tool opening?

It seems to me that the shallow opening of the discontinued bullet button and this design would both enable someone with a sharpened fingernail to operate the mag catch without a tool?

Also, would it be possible for someone not to secure the shroud tightly enough that it could be pulled by hand away from the lower, rotated, and pushed back down, pressing the mag catch?

Just wondering, considering some of the ridiculous methods LE have used to "cause a malfunction" on rifles in the recent past. I'm still buying one, great job. :)

Good questions.

The hole for the "tool" on the B-15 will not allow a finger or fingernail to push the mag button.

The B-15 cannot be pulled away from the rifle and rotated. The mag button cannot escape the channel cut into the B-15 for it, and the mag button fence would also prevent the B-15 from being turned.

I would appreciate those of you who get a B-15 to let all of us know what you think once you've had a chance to play with it.

Fjold
05-30-2008, 5:23 PM
Very intelligent design. Bravo Zulu!

I even like the video, the shadow on the wall at the beginning was very Alfred Hitchcock-like.

:43:

jakjakman
05-30-2008, 7:04 PM
Ordered one this morning. :)

veeklog
05-30-2008, 7:48 PM
Bought two this morning.

stillnotbob
05-30-2008, 8:58 PM
Just bought three online!!! This looks to be a great design. Thanks again for designing and manufacturing these!!! Just starting out on my black gun disease.

NiteQwill
05-30-2008, 10:13 PM
Gosh, already sold out... leave water for the fishes guys...

dfletcher
05-30-2008, 10:34 PM
Just bought three online!!! This looks to be a great design. Thanks again for designing and manufacturing these!!! Just starting out on my black gun disease.

I hit a few websites & didn't find any listed - who'd you buy from?

mecam
05-30-2008, 10:42 PM
I hit a few websites & didn't find any listed - who'd you buy from?

Riflegear had them online but all gone.

shark92651
05-30-2008, 10:50 PM
Yes, they went fast. My initial allocation was 15 and they are all gone (even though we will not receive them until Tuesday) - we have ordered more from Grant but I guess it may take a couple weeks for the next production run but we intend to continue to stock these as long as they are in production and in demand.

67siia
05-30-2008, 10:52 PM
I am interested in purchasing a B-15 AR Mag Lock. I do not have a Prince50 installed, I have the stock AR15 mag release button drilled with a tap screw that prevents it from releasing. Would the B-15 work with my set up? Many thanks in advance.

AlphaDog
05-30-2008, 11:01 PM
All gone? Dang, Don't Bogard all the B-15's, I'm gonna need one soon for my first build:43:

trinydex
05-30-2008, 11:18 PM
I am interested in purchasing a B-15 AR Mag Lock. I do not have a Prince50 installed, I have the stock AR15 mag release button drilled with a tap screw that prevents it from releasing. Would the B-15 work with my set up? Many thanks in advance.

apparently the b15 comes with a p50 so you can just install it as a total unit, and sell yours to someone else.

Bladewurk
05-31-2008, 7:04 AM
Does anybody have these in stock?

Toolbox X
05-31-2008, 7:05 AM
Yes, the B-15 comes with the P50.

B-15's have also been shipped to:
LAN World Inc
Cold War Shooters
Ten Percent Firearms
Irvington Arms
Addax Tactical

They should be available from them very very soon.

-Grant

tenpercentfirearms
05-31-2008, 7:34 AM
My package says delivery on 6/3. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets here 6/2. I will only have 15 so be quick!

NiteQwill
05-31-2008, 11:49 AM
Do you happen to have a link for the product yet? ;)

67siia
05-31-2008, 4:08 PM
tenpercentfirearms, as per above, do you have a link for it? I could not find it in your site.

Jicko
05-31-2008, 4:29 PM
California Rifles is proud to announce the new B-15 Bullet Button.

This is gonna be the BEST of both worlds..... (P50 / BB)

GREAT PRODUCT!!!!!!

run8
05-31-2008, 5:09 PM
I haven't read thru all the pages for this post, however I like what I see and I will definetly need some of these myself, what are we looking at in terms of cost per unit?

Thanks,

Frank

blackbok
06-01-2008, 6:19 PM
I'm hoping at least one of the vendors who are getting these will be at the Costa Mesa show next weekend with these for sale. I'll take two

;)

duenor
06-01-2008, 6:33 PM
This is the BB I have been hoping for. One that can easily switch between featureless and featured.

I have a lot of grandfathered magazines and much prefer them over the 10 rounders. Occasionally, however, I have reason to switch grips. Switching grips is easy... now switching magazine solutions is just as easy.

I have sent you an email and PM, Grant.

hoffmang
06-01-2008, 8:53 PM
Oh yeah. Mr Postman showed up with mine. Thanks TBX.

I didn't have time to assemble today, but tomorrow I'll try to post photos of this on a Milpitas Lower.

Thanks Alison!

-Gene

MrNiceGuy
06-02-2008, 10:59 AM
Aw man....I spend the whole morning calling everywhere....does ANYONE have one in stock?

Depressed....:(

RobT2K
06-02-2008, 12:25 PM
Did you try riflegear?

MrNiceGuy
06-02-2008, 12:37 PM
Yah...they show sold out on their site.

mecam
06-02-2008, 12:49 PM
I have one for sale. Bidding starts at $65...


















j/k.. :D

BroncoBob
06-02-2008, 4:04 PM
Excellent, that is great. I need a couple of those. I'm sure that will drive ours friends at the DOJ nuts.

Jeff.
06-02-2008, 8:26 PM
So who has these in stock? I need two.

Blacky
06-03-2008, 1:40 PM
Grant, thank you much for the outstanding product and trust in human nature. Your check is in the mail.

This is a product milestone. Anybody who isn't excited about this is sadly missing out. It does exactly what it is supposed to do. I have it on my Noveske N4 and its like butter.

caldude
06-03-2008, 1:55 PM
Sounds like you need to do a run of, say 1000, to met demand. I can see this taking over from the regular BB.

mikecro1
06-03-2008, 1:59 PM
...The ups man tried to deliver the the bb-15 to my work-office and i had my secretary refuse the delivery....:rolleyes:


:p:D

chokeyourself!
06-03-2008, 2:03 PM
wow this is super great! I love it cause now when i visit family out of state i'm not gonna be standing out when we go shooting, i'll take the b-15 off once we cross the border line. good job people.

LEO
06-03-2008, 3:24 PM
I just got two B15 Bullet Buttons from CWS . they had some in stock .
This guys at cws have been taking all my money.
Now I have to get two more rifles for these Bullet Buttons .:D

norcal-ar
06-03-2008, 9:03 PM
got to see this in person tonight at irvington arms and it looks pretty awesome. just waiting to hear feed back on them!

MadRiverArms
06-03-2008, 9:05 PM
How many did they have for sale? I'm looking for one.

-G

DWill
06-03-2008, 9:14 PM
Lanworld is expecting 10 any day now. I prepaid for 3 of them. :D

norcal-ar
06-03-2008, 9:18 PM
he said they got their shipment in today and as far as i know he hasnt sold any yet so your chances are good.

How many did they have for sale? I'm looking for one.

-G

doughboy334
06-03-2008, 9:54 PM
got to see this in person tonight at irvington arms and it looks pretty awesome. just waiting to hear feed back on them!


did they sell out tonight?

edit: nvm saw the answer

So since he hasn't sold any yet, you weren't able to get it either?

RobT2K
06-04-2008, 3:42 PM
Didn't come with instructions, how do you install the P-50? I have a BB on there now. Do I keep using some of the parts from the BB? The spring seems like it won't fit

Socal858
06-04-2008, 3:54 PM
ok i added it to my lower bout four hours ago. i had to trim the spring slightly for proper fitment. works great and cannot be actuated wtihout tool

munkeeboi
06-04-2008, 5:43 PM
Didn't come with instructions, how do you install the P-50? I have a BB on there now. Do I keep using some of the parts from the BB? The spring seems like it won't fit

First remove the BB. (If you have any evil features on your AR, I'd remove those too since you'll have a temporary detachable mag and evil features situation for part of the time)

Then reinstall mag catch spring, mag catch to the P-50..Once you've tightened up the p-50 and have confirmed it works, go ahead and put the B-15 on top of the P-50. Trim 1 and a half coils as suggested (only for first batch of B-15) insert hex screw into spring and then screw through the B-15 into the P-50.

Ta-da! B-15 Installed!

Thanks again...

I don't even have my lower here yet but I was envisioning the install in my head....

Blacky
06-04-2008, 6:54 PM
Is it supposed to be a loose fit? If I tighten it down snug the mag wont drop. Rattle, rattle, rattle. I'm thinking about a gasket of some kind.

Toolbox X
06-04-2008, 7:01 PM
Is it supposed to be a loose fit? If I tighten it down snug the mag wont drop. Rattle, rattle, rattle. I'm thinking about a gasket of some kind.

It sounds like you do not have the small spring installed. The cap screw should go through the spring before you screw it through the B-15 and into the P50.

Also, I recommend you cut one and a half coils off the spring.

-Grant

munkeeboi
06-04-2008, 7:05 PM
^^^^^ what he said

RobT2K
06-04-2008, 7:09 PM
Ok, that makes sense that the spring may need to be trimmed. I have the p-50 installed and it works fine, but once I put the b-15 on top of it it doesn't work as a BB would.
Once I trim the spring will that fix the problem?

Blacky
06-04-2008, 7:29 PM
Okay I just realized a major error on my part. The button was put in upside down. I didn't put it in (lacking tools) but I should have noticed by now.

Now I need directions to get the button out. I guess th good news is that the button is so good it even works upside down.

RobT2K
06-04-2008, 7:41 PM
Cut the spring, still having problems.

Toolbox--PM sent

EDIT-
Ok, now it seems to be working correctly. Not sure why it wasn't working earlier.

Blacky
06-04-2008, 7:47 PM
How can I get the button out so I can turn it around?

This is what Ive got now.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5659/p1000052ku6.jpg
Does it make any difference if its one way or the other?

NiteQwill
06-04-2008, 9:23 PM
How can I get the button out so I can turn it around?

This is what Ive got now.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5659/p1000052ku6.jpg
Does it make any difference if its one way or the other?

Take it out and flip it around. ;)

thefinger
06-04-2008, 9:52 PM
Tracking info shows that mine should be ariving from LANworld tomorrow! yayay!

SI-guru
06-05-2008, 12:29 AM
Does any know if B-15 will work with SIG556 ?
Thanks in advanced.

tenpercentfirearms
06-05-2008, 5:26 AM
Does any know if B-15 will work with SIG556 ?
Thanks in advanced.

Later today I can try that for you. If you don't hear back from me, remind me at guns@tenpercentfirearms.com.

smallblockfuelie
06-05-2008, 6:12 AM
Very nice. When will the next run be available?

RobT2K
06-05-2008, 7:11 AM
The B-15 will not work with the Sig 556 or Fulton .308. I know because I have them. I may machine a custom B-15 for those rifle for myself, but I have no immediate plans to produce them. If demand is high enough and people are willing to put deposits down, I will talk to Darin about producing B-15's for other rifles.

To answer your question SI-Guru, no.

Blacky
06-06-2008, 3:56 PM
I had a little trouble with my spring and I had to replace it. I found that your average writing pen spring is the same size. Just trim it down a little and it works fine.

Toolbox X
06-06-2008, 5:09 PM
I had a little trouble with my spring and I had to replace it. I found that your average writing pen spring is the same size. Just trim it down a little and it works fine.

Good move. I'm working on getting a better spring.

Ah, the joys of product development. :rolleyes:

Blacky
06-06-2008, 6:27 PM
Good move. I'm working on getting a better spring.

Ah, the joys of product development. :rolleyes:

Its getting there, feel free to send me any beta test models :D

Jaiofspam
06-06-2008, 7:22 PM
just installed one on a friends ar15...
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THIS THING ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i didnt cut the spring and the screw doesnt sit flush with the body. i believe this was intended, when you use a tool to release the mag the screw goes in and is flush with the body then.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

mecam
06-06-2008, 7:28 PM
just installed one on a friends ar15...
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THIS THING ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i didnt cut the spring and the screw doesnt sit flush with the body. i believe this was intended, when you use a tool to release the mag the screw goes in and is flush with the body then.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D


You then would be able to release the mag by pushing the screw in with your finger? :confused:

Jaiofspam
06-06-2008, 7:29 PM
You then would be able to release the mag by pushing the screw in with your finger? :confused:

no, the screw isnt sticking out enough to release the magazine :)

EDIT: lol, i see the error in my post... got a little to excited. when you use the tool the screw recesses into its hole. it does not sit flush therefor cannot release the mag by pushing the screw alone.

kakpataka
06-07-2008, 2:10 AM
Guys, how much are you paying for this? A buddy of mine says a shop in bay are told him its 40.00 plus tax.........
Who else has em? and whats the shipping cost?

Spyduh
06-07-2008, 2:20 AM
Guys, how much are you paying for this? A buddy of mine says a shop in bay are told him its 40.00 plus tax.........
Who else has em? and whats the shipping cost?

Read the first post in the future. It helps =)

These retailers were shipped the B-15s. Most of which are sold out by now. MSRP price is $35.

Coldwar Shooters
LAN World Inc
Riflegear.com (SOLD OUT)
Irvington Arms
Ten Percent Firearms
Spike's Tactical

savs2k
06-07-2008, 2:45 AM
i've seen this personally at ia.. so cool im going to build a new ar

JesseXXX
06-07-2008, 9:27 AM
Just Great... now I gotta get one :)

Loner
06-07-2008, 5:10 PM
I'm going to need a new screw, the one I bought had no instructions, so the screw got twisted.

calAWBsux
06-07-2008, 7:05 PM
Wow, neat product!

azndmd
06-07-2008, 8:12 PM
:(.....went to the Costa Mesa show today...stopped by Cold War Shooters table...they were sold out before the show. Michelle is hoping for another shipment in a week or two.

I was looking foward to it.

Toolbox X
06-08-2008, 12:49 AM
I'm going to need a new screw, the one I bought had no instructions, so the screw got twisted.

Loner,

PM me your shipping address and I will put a new screw in the mail to you.

The first 100 just come in a simple plastic ziplock bag. I did not include instructions or any fancy packaging. I figured you guys would prefer to have the B-15 now rather than wait a few weeks for the pretty packaging :)

-Grant

Toolbox X
06-08-2008, 12:51 AM
Hmmmm, not impressed. Installed P50 button, cut 1.5 coils, installed screw into spring into "shroud" as instructed (no instructions BTW) and it is loose, rattles, and is very sensitive to exactly how deep the mag release button and cap screw are installed. You would definitely need locktite on the cap screw to keep it from falling/rattling out during firing. It seems as though the small spring impedes the cap screw from moving far enough through the shroud to release the mag.

The B-15 should not be loose or rattle. Something is not right. PM me your contact info and I'll help you figure out what is wrong.

-Grant

Dark Water
06-08-2008, 6:02 AM
The B-15 sounds like an improvement to the other available mag lock devices. I also hope that someday your creation will not be needed any more. Until that day comes thank you and I wish you success. I am also interested in hearing reviews from people that have used it. When those are available please post them for all to look at.

swhatb
06-08-2008, 10:11 AM
tenpercentfirearms, i noticed you still don't have the B-15 on your web site. do you know when you'll have them available?

Socal858
06-08-2008, 10:15 AM
Loner,

PM me your shipping address and I will put a new screw in the mail to you.

The first 100 just come in a simple plastic ziplock bag. I did not include instructions or any fancy packaging. I figured you guys would prefer to have the B-15 now rather than wait a few weeks for the pretty packaging :)

-Grant


beauty is in the eye of the button pusher ;)

daskraut
06-08-2008, 11:23 AM
how soon till more of these are available?, know of any in stock?, email me please at mrbuells1@yahoo.com

daskraut
06-09-2008, 8:16 PM
well?????

Toolbox X
06-10-2008, 7:32 AM
I'm working on the second run right now. Hopefully less than 2 weeks.

tenpercentfirearms
06-10-2008, 8:13 AM
I'm working on the second run right now. Hopefully less than 2 weeks.

What he said.

daskraut
06-11-2008, 6:05 AM
Can I pre-order?

tenpercentfirearms
06-11-2008, 6:08 AM
Can I pre-order?

Not from me. I only like to sell items I have in stock. You can send me an e-mail and I will contact you when they come in.

Rich776
06-11-2008, 9:08 AM
any more feedback from people the received theres already?

NiteQwill
06-11-2008, 9:19 AM
Email sent!

Toolbox X
06-12-2008, 3:23 PM
Please read post http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=1258559#post1258559 if you need a replacement spring or your B-15 is loose or rattles.

petrole
06-13-2008, 12:36 AM
...
Also, would it be possible for someone not to secure the shroud tightly enough that it could be pulled by hand away from the lower, rotated, and pushed back down, pressing the mag catch?

Just wondering, considering some of the ridiculous methods LE have used to "cause a malfunction" on rifles in the recent past. I'm still buying one, great job. :)

Good questions.

The hole for the "tool" on the B-15 will not allow a finger or fingernail to push the mag button.

The B-15 cannot be pulled away from the rifle and rotated. The mag button cannot escape the channel cut into the B-15 for it, and the mag button fence would also prevent the B-15 from being turned.

I would appreciate those of you who get a B-15 to let all of us know what you think once you've had a chance to play with it.

To further the question on the B-15 being pulled away and rotated. I understand the point that the "mag button cannot escape the channel cut into the B-15", but my question is, because you can pull the B-15 up by however many millimeters, and because it is "loosely coupled" to the mag release button by one screw, then you can still apply torsional force to the B-15 in that lifted state, correct? And with enough torsional force, resulting in some friction between the mag release button and the B-15 (no matter how tight the tolerances are because the mag release button sits in this channel of the B-15) - could an operator then push in on the B-15 suddenly while maintaining this torsional force thus causing the mag to release? I know the mag fence is there as well, but it's upper surface is curved, giving a little bit of play.
Am I just overthinking this? - There's probably a lot of info I'm missing (loose tolerances, etc) I don't know for sure (cause they're all sold out :( ) - could someone who already has one, try this out?

tenpercentfirearms
06-13-2008, 7:14 AM
This was the issue with the very first Prince Bullet Button. I don't think I could pull up on the B-15 at all. I will have to test it out when I get back on Monday. Also, I still need to do a Sig 556 test as well.

megavolt121
06-13-2008, 8:06 AM
To further the question on the B-15 being pulled away and rotated. I understand the point that the "mag button cannot escape the channel cut into the B-15", but my question is, because you can pull the B-15 up by however many millimeters, and because it is "loosely coupled" to the mag release button by one screw, then you can still apply torsional force to the B-15 in that lifted state, correct?

With my installations of the B-15 you could lift it up at most by 1mm and twist to apply torsional force. Keep in mind I have not found the right clippers to cut my spring yet. I'm awaiting to see if cutting the spring solves this problem.


And with enough torsional force, resulting in some friction between the mag release button and the B-15 (no matter how tight the tolerances are because the mag release button sits in this channel of the B-15) - could an operator then push in on the B-15 suddenly while maintaining this torsional force thus causing the mag to release?

NO. If you were to pull the B-15 up by 1mm and than twist it to apply enough torsional force to start and push the mag release button, and push down, the back of the B-15 would hit the side of the lower, thus blocking the mag release button from depressing further into the lower and activating the release.


I know the mag fence is there as well, but it's upper surface is curved, giving a little bit of play.
Am I just overthinking this? - There's probably a lot of info I'm missing (loose tolerances, etc) I don't know for sure (cause they're all sold out :( ) - could someone who already has one, try this out?

I don't think you're overthinking this, you make good points to consider. But don't worry that can't happen. Also keep in mind that if a LEO/DA/whoever examines your installed B-15 and manages to break it off and to expose the mag release, they are technically the ones who have now manufactured the AW, not you.

Spyduh
06-13-2008, 1:24 PM
Get a replacement spring for your B-15

More info here...
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=1258559#post1258559

swhatb
06-16-2008, 11:47 AM
as the title says...

Toolbox X
06-16-2008, 12:17 PM
I believe all of the dealers have sold out of their B-15's. The next batch is almost complete, with revisions to fix the spring problem the first 100 had. Expect more B-15's to reach the dealers in 2 weeks, hopefully sooner.

Jaiofspam
06-16-2008, 12:22 PM
toolbox,

i sent you an email regarding the spring last week and i have still yet to receive a response. please contact me at your earliest convenience.

thanks,
jimmy

Toolbox X
06-16-2008, 2:28 PM
I'm getting all the springs mailed out. It's taking a little while as I have to cut and bend each one just right. This weekend I had a sick kid mixed with Father's Day activities, so the going was slow.

Sorry.

The good news is this spring problem will be a thing of the past with the revisions we made to the next batch of B-15's.

Sabah_Alev
06-16-2008, 2:34 PM
this makes me want an AR now...even thought they are excessively expensive.

Blacky
06-16-2008, 2:39 PM
this makes me want an AR now...even thought they are excessively expensive.

Maybe a Socom II would suit your needs ;)

norbs007
06-17-2008, 6:01 PM
I just picked up the last four from IA (had them on hold since last week) and just installed it on two of my rifles. Works great after the spring fix but still needs a stronger spring. No more top loading BABY! :punk::cheers2: Definitely a winner!:hurray:

lowriderryda
06-17-2008, 8:20 PM
who has them in stock at the moment i need 1 asap
thanks

tenpercentfirearms
06-17-2008, 9:54 PM
who has them in stock at the moment i need 1 asap
thanks

LOL. I guess he didn't bother to read the thread very much. Everyone is out for at least...two weeks!

Toolbox X
06-17-2008, 9:57 PM
I took today off work to get all the springs mailed out. I need to take another day off to get the B-15 packaging ordered. At the rate I'm going I will have the new B-15's before the packaging.

IMC87
06-24-2008, 9:22 PM
update?

IMC87
06-26-2008, 11:36 AM
No updates?

calAWBsux
06-26-2008, 8:46 PM
Man, I can't wait till the new and improved version is available. I currently have the standard BB and the B15 sure is THE answer I have been looking for!

IMC87
06-26-2008, 9:31 PM
Man, I can't wait till the new and improved version is available. I currently have the standard BB and the B15 sure is THE answer I have been looking for!


HENCE WHY I NEED AN UPDATE :90:

calAWBsux
06-26-2008, 9:32 PM
Did the original Prince 50 kit use the standard mag catch spring?

tenpercentfirearms
06-27-2008, 7:03 AM
Did the original Prince 50 kit use the standard mag catch spring?

Yes, it could. Or you could leave it out. I always installed it with the spring.

AYEAREFIFTEEN
06-27-2008, 7:33 AM
tenpercentfirearms

Wes, what do I need to do to get you to reserve 4 of these things for me when you get them in?

Thanks, Ross

IMC87
06-28-2008, 6:30 PM
Bump to top....waiting for an update on the status of the new batch of b-15's ....otherwise i can use the $35 bucks on hold for gas :p

lehn20
06-29-2008, 4:45 AM
bump

tenpercentfirearms
06-29-2008, 5:32 AM
Wes, what do I need to do to get you to reserve 4 of these things for me when you get them in?

Thanks, Ross

Send me an e-mail, I will notify you when they come in.

fullrearview
06-29-2008, 8:02 PM
just so I know....this makes it a fixed magazine? so I can have all the "evil" features?

technique
06-29-2008, 8:19 PM
just so I know....this makes it a fixed magazine? so I can have all the "evil" features?

YES

IMC87
06-29-2008, 8:28 PM
ETA? :wheelchair:

fullrearview
06-29-2008, 8:35 PM
ETA? :wheelchair:

lol!

sorry I looked all over before I asked. Just didnt get a clear anwser.

fullrearview
06-29-2008, 8:37 PM
HA with that last post Im no longer a rookie!!! :gunsmilie:

IMC87
06-29-2008, 8:52 PM
HA, i meant the ETA for the b15. LOL

fullrearview
06-29-2008, 8:58 PM
lol. I thought you were saying I was slow, like it "were have you been man"

Spyduh
07-01-2008, 4:27 PM
ETA? :wheelchair:

LOL that gramps icon is cool :D

Getting old waiting for the new B15 Gen2s to come out. But I can def. tell you its gonna be awesome and worth the wait. I really love my B15 Gen1's! They work great after Grant sent me the new springs. The bugs should be all worked out in Gen2 and I already want to upgrade and get rid on my old ones.

A few buddies played with my B15 and they like it so much they been dieing to put their new ARs together but sitting on their hands waiting for the lock.

Toolbox X
07-01-2008, 7:06 PM
Less than two weeks...

swhatb
07-05-2008, 11:25 AM
Less than two weeks...

is that two week from today


or


two weeks for the last two weeks of two months ago :rolleyes:

the project of mine is falling :sleeping:

Toolbox X
07-05-2008, 12:46 PM
Two weeks from two Mondays ago.

New B-15's will be shipped to dealers on Monday. I have them in hand and packaged.

I will post pictures when I get home from the trip I am on.

-Grant

petrole
07-05-2008, 2:37 PM
Alright!!

"Hercules, Hercules, Hercules!!!"

AYEAREFIFTEEN
07-17-2008, 9:07 AM
Received 4 B-15s from tenpercentfireamrs. I have a question though. After the shroud is installed I assume the bottom of the shroud should be flush (touching) the receiver. After I installed the shrouds they seem to lay on the mag button (P50) leaving about a 1/16 of an inch the mag button can be pressed down by pressing on the shroud. Not nearly enough to drop a mag in a standard AR, but enough to drop the mag out of a 9mm AR.

Do I not have the mag catch threaded in far enough to the P50? The threaded part of the mag catch is damn near flush (almost to the point of protruding) from the P50. Is is possible the threaded end of all the Rock River mag catches I have are on the long side? Should I file down a bit of the mag catch threaded end and sink that P50 further down? I'm not sure if this little 1/16 of play is normal, or if i just screwed up the P50 install.

Toolbox X
07-17-2008, 10:39 AM
Received 4 B-15s from tenpercentfireamrs. I have a question though. After the shroud is installed I assume the bottom of the shroud should be flush (touching) the receiver. After I installed the shrouds they seem to lay on the mag button (P50) leaving about a 1/16 of an inch the mag button can be pressed down by pressing on the shroud. Not nearly enough to drop a mag in a standard AR, but enough to drop the mag out of a 9mm AR.

Do I not have the mag catch threaded in far enough to the P50? The threaded part of the mag catch is damn near flush (almost to the point of protruding) from the P50. Is is possible the threaded end of all the Rock River mag catches I have are on the long side? Should I file down a bit of the mag catch threaded end and sink that P50 further down? I'm not sure if this little 1/16 of play is normal, or if i just screwed up the P50 install.

You are the second person to have this problem. I'm going to double check my measurements to make sure the depth of the mag button hole is correct. It should not be doing that.

I'm glad to hear you cannot press the mag button even close to far enough to release the mag. The B-15's should function fine.

-Grant

AYEAREFIFTEEN
07-17-2008, 11:00 AM
You are the second person to have this problem. I'm going to double check my measurements to make sure the depth of the mag button hole is correct. It should not be doing that.

I'm glad to hear you cannot press the mag button even close to far enough to release the mag. The B-15's should function fine.

-Grant

When I get home I will see if i can crank that mag catch in another good turn to see if the P50 will recede a bit more into the receiver. I don't think I have much room though otherwise i'll have to file down the the threaded end of the mag catch.

If anyone has this problem I would deffinately not recommend the install on a 9mm AR. That little bit of push is enough to drop the mag out.

Blacky
07-17-2008, 11:16 AM
Grant, thank you for following up on individual issues and excellent quality control.

trinydex
07-17-2008, 11:53 AM
i spent a lot of time last night filing my b15 down to fit my sig 556 :D

Toolbox X
07-17-2008, 11:56 AM
Grant, thank you for following up on individual issues and excellent quality control.

You're welcome. This stuff is really hard, and I appreciate how excellent everyone has been. I help everyone as best I can. Calgunners deserve it!

Toolbox X
07-17-2008, 11:56 AM
i spent a lot of time last night filing my b15 down to fit my sig 556 :D

WHOA!!!!!

PICTURES PICTURES PICTURES!!!!

trinydex
07-17-2008, 1:08 PM
WHOA!!!!!

PICTURES PICTURES PICTURES!!!!

i'll have to upload them on monday, going outta town.

AYEAREFIFTEEN
07-17-2008, 11:17 PM
You are the second person to have this problem. I'm going to double check my measurements to make sure the depth of the mag button hole is correct. It should not be doing that.

-Grant

Toolbox, problem solved. It was my error (kind of :p ). I threaded the mag catch into the button two more times on each rifle (3 Rifles), sinking the button further into the receiver, and the B-15 works perfect. The bottom of the B-15 sits flush against the receiver and there is no play. I didn't even have to file down the mag catch. Apparently I installed the buttons with the mag catch too shallow for the B-15 and I spoke too soon.

(Funny how after the question is asked, the answer presents itself.)

Thanks Grant! Great Product. This beats the hell out of everything I've used.

mxpatriot51
07-18-2008, 8:39 AM
ohhhh, that is too good.

Definitely buying one of those.

emc002
07-18-2008, 9:15 AM
Another B-15 Issue:

My allen screw hole, when lined up, moves the "bullet button" hole so far up, that a bullet will no longer suffice as a tool.
Was the Prince 50 mag button misdrilled or is this how it's supposed to be?
11213

Also, FYI, I'll end up needing to file the B-15 part to make it fit within the Noveske N6 lower. not a big deal, but just wanted to give those of you with a Noveske N6 a heads up.

munkeeboi
07-18-2008, 9:35 AM
Your looks fine to me...or at least how mine came.

use the bullet tip or tool on the surface of the mag release button.The bullet tip doesn't need to be inserted into the mag release button hole to work. When the mag catch is screwed in, it more or less makes a flat surface anyways.

Blacky
07-18-2008, 1:47 PM
Mine lined up the same way, works fine :confused:

jacques
07-18-2008, 2:16 PM
I just installed mine the other day. This is the first time I assembled a lower (usually buy them assembled). It went on EASY. The least of my probems.

67siia
07-18-2008, 4:31 PM
Got the B-15 Bullet Button, installation was a piece of cake. Works like a champ. Pics of it installed, what you see if a 10 round magazine that looks like a 30 rounds.... I used the allen tool to operate.

Thank you Toolbox X for such a great creation
Thank you riflegear.com for such a great supply


http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/67siia/B-15%20Bullet%20Button/P1030030.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/67siia/B-15%20Bullet%20Button/P1030033.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/67siia/B-15%20Bullet%20Button/P1030034.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/67siia/B-15%20Bullet%20Button/P1030035.jpg

67siia
07-18-2008, 4:33 PM
Now, anyone knows a good place to buy some 10 rounds magazines (that look like 10 rounds to avoid skeptical eyes) in the Republic of Kalifornia or some good supplier that would ship to the Republic of Kalifornia.... what is the going rate on these babies?

Blacky
07-18-2008, 4:39 PM
Got the B-15 Bullet Button, installation was a piece of cake. Works like a champ. Pics of it installed, what you see if a 10 round magazine that looks like a 30 rounds.... I used the allen tool to operate.


Wow, I just put my allen screw a little lower than flush. Is your screw as tight as it looks? If its too tight it smashes the spring.

67siia
07-18-2008, 4:43 PM
I had to adjust the screw for it to operate with the tool. First I had it all the way in and it did not work, loosen it about 7 turns and now works like it should.

Blacky
07-18-2008, 4:52 PM
67siia, I think you have your spring in backwards. The spring goes in over the allen screw not in the bottom hole.

67siia
07-18-2008, 5:05 PM
:confused: ...the spring is over the allen screw... not sure what cause your above comment, please elaborate

tenpercentfirearms
07-18-2008, 5:10 PM
Now, anyone knows a good place to buy some 10 rounds magazines (that look like 10 rounds to avoid skeptical eyes) in the Republic of Kalifornia or some good supplier that would ship to the Republic of Kalifornia.... what is the going rate on these babies?

I have plenty.

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10_47&products_id=150

And at $15 each, I think that is a pretty fair price.

jacques
07-18-2008, 9:32 PM
:confused: ...the spring is over the allen screw... not sure what cause your above comment, please elaborate

I think what he is saying is it looks like, from the picture, that the spring is in the bottom hole. The spring should be in the top hole. I am not sure from the pics. But the spring should go in the top hole, then you insert the allen head screw through the spring.

Blacky
07-19-2008, 6:29 AM
I think what he is saying is it looks like, from the picture, that the spring is in the bottom hole. The spring should be in the top hole. I am not sure from the pics. But the spring should go in the top hole, then you insert the allen head screw through the spring.

correct.

67siia
07-19-2008, 4:28 PM
I see, confirm all installed correctly

trinydex
07-20-2008, 11:37 PM
WHOA!!!!!

PICTURES PICTURES PICTURES!!!!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11284&d=1216625746

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11285&d=1216625757

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11286&d=1216625781

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11287&d=1216625803

i really hope you weren't waiting for something amazing. it's a rather crude job. it'd do a lot better with a fresh anno job. but you might be able to see it could have been a lot faster and a lot smoother if i had milled it :\ the filing required me to take off some areas i couldn't easily step.

i just liked the b15 so much i had to do it. maybe someday there can be a sig 556 version... pft yeah right.

Toolbox X
07-21-2008, 11:38 AM
OMG, that is awesome! I planned to make one for my 556. If I do I will make one for you as well and ship it out. I didn't think about simply shaving a current B-15 like you did. Great innovation!

MikeH1
07-21-2008, 12:59 PM
pardon my ignorance, but what does a bullet button do?

trinydex
07-21-2008, 1:10 PM
OMG, that is awesome! I planned to make one for my 556. If I do I will make one for you as well and ship it out. I didn't think about simply shaving a current B-15 like you did. Great innovation!

i just got tired of thinking about how unconvertable my 556 was so i tried to put the b15 on... of course it didn't fit so i was like... hmmm if i just take a little off here and there and there (started drawing stuff with pencil) maybe i can make this work.

roughed it in with dremel cutting wheel, finished it off with file. i wish there was a thing to convert a dremel into a milling machine.

i'd love to have a nice clean made to be 556 b15!!!

shark92651
07-21-2008, 2:07 PM
pardon my ignorance, but what does a bullet button do?

"Bullet Button" is now sort of a generic term used to describe a magazine lock that lets you drop your magazine by inserting a tool, such as a bullet tip. The B-15 and the Prince50 Bullet Button are two examples of these types of products.

trinydex
07-21-2008, 2:19 PM
is the name bullet button trade marked? i was hoping everyone would just call them maglocks but alas...

Greenspartan117
07-21-2008, 2:51 PM
Hey Grant, I just want to say that I love the B-15, works like a charm :-)

Shark, Thanks for sending me the B-15 as soon as you got it. Oh that Stag 3H upper that my brother bought from you worked flawless on it's first outing :-). (changed the handguards for the YHM spectre lightweight free float and low profile gas block about a week or two ago.)

Greenspartan117

gungrave
07-22-2008, 9:59 AM
im just wondering ...sori for a noobish question...which is better bullet button or b-15????

AYEAREFIFTEEN
07-22-2008, 10:37 AM
im just wondering ...sori for a noobish question...which is better bullet button or b-15????

Its all a matter of opinion but I prefer the B-15 because it uses the stock mag catch spring. The Bullet Button had too much slop in it for me to use it on my Rock River 9mm. (Mag could be pulled out with a little side pressure put on it.) Works perfect for any other standard AR.

Since the B-15 uses the standard mag catch spring and basically a standard button (with the tap) it puts a lot more pressure on the mag catch. Not to mention it is easier for people to go back to a totally removable mag condition if you were to go somewhere where that was legal.

For people with the standard prince 50 kits already installed, this makes it much easier for them because they don't have to remove the mag catch assembly to install this.

trinydex
07-22-2008, 11:13 AM
the b15 is very easily reversible and that would be my reasoning to use it. i prefer the least invasive approach.

torsf
07-22-2008, 11:31 AM
Got my b-15 installed on a lower... Now I'll need to order more to put them on all my lowers!!!

MikeH1
07-23-2008, 1:32 PM
"Bullet Button" is now sort of a generic term used to describe a magazine lock that lets you drop your magazine by inserting a tool, such as a bullet tip. The B-15 and the Prince50 Bullet Button are two examples of these types of products.

thanx for the info, neat gadget

67siia
07-26-2008, 2:27 PM
Found these to perfectly accompany my new B-15

http://www.discountsmarket.com/p237501/Colt-AR-15-10-Round-Mag-Blue/product_info.html?osCsid=61a91494873aa45d6915ca215 9164097

Greenspartan117
07-26-2008, 2:50 PM
has anyone bought from discount market? National magazine mfg?

67siia
07-26-2008, 3:41 PM
just placed an order... will advise when received

67siia
07-28-2008, 8:02 PM
Well, got an email that www.discountsmaket.com has canceled my order, no explanation as to why, I sent an email inquiring...

Found these to perfectly accompany my new B-15

http://www.discountsmarket.com/p237501/Colt-AR-15-10-Round-Mag-Blue/product_info.html?osCsid=61a91494873aa45d6915ca215 9164097

Blacky
07-28-2008, 9:12 PM
Anyone looking for 10 round mags I just picked up a couple from 44MAG (http://www.44mag.com/). Also got about 4 30 rnd (unassembled) shipping is fast and friendly to CA. I guess if you look hard enough you can find them cheaper but they're all quality goods.

Dwikkles
07-29-2008, 8:45 PM
I have a Prince50 mag-lock,but my allen screw is on the bottom of my mag release button. I noticed the one in these pics are on the top.

Will this be a problem or do I just put the B-15 on upside down from these pictures?

jandmtv
07-29-2008, 8:55 PM
I have a Prince50 mag-lock,but my allen screw is on the bottom of my mag release button. I noticed the one in these pics are on the top.

Will this be a problem or do I just put the B-15 on upside down from these pictures?

LOL, and why cant you take off the p50 and install the button up side down?

NiteQwill
07-29-2008, 11:03 PM
Originally had the Bullet Button before installing the B15. I had to dremel the damn bullet button off because of the loctite (yes, I did heat it up). Problem was I screwed it in so much, it sat flush against the end of the mag catch. Only 45 minutes later did I realize all I needed to do was trim a flat head screw driver without butchering the bullet button, to make it fit. Oh well...

Has anyone noticed their B15 wiggles a lot? There seems to be a lot of play. The mag won't come out on its own but it just seems "loose."

Dwikkles
07-30-2008, 9:30 AM
LOL, and why cant you take off the p50 and install the button up side down?

Well if I knew how i guess i could huh?

NiteQwill
07-30-2008, 9:47 AM
Well if I knew how i guess i could huh?

Push the mag button in all the way. Then unscrew the mag catch on the opposite side. Takes less than 30 seconds.

trinydex
07-30-2008, 11:25 AM
make sure not to create an assault weapon in the process

Toolbox X
07-30-2008, 12:02 PM
Well if I knew how i guess i could huh?

The easiest way to remove and install the mag button it to take another mag button and put it on top of the first one, then push both of them all the way into the receiver. That will push the mag catch out far enough for you to spin it on or off easily, without scraping it against the receiver.

Total install or removal time is 10-40 seconds usually.

Dwikkles
07-30-2008, 1:57 PM
Ok thanks guys.Ill try it out.

U guys like ur B-15 i tAKE IT?

Toolbox X
07-30-2008, 3:13 PM
I like my B-15, but I'm a little biased.

swhatb
07-30-2008, 9:54 PM
I like my B-15, but I'm a little biased.

I like the B-15 too, but I've got a problem with mine that I just received! When I follow the B-15 Bullet Button Installation instructions, and after step six (Tighten the screw so the top of the screw is slightly lower than the top of the B-15) I can still pull the B-15 away from the rifle and turn it. When I tighten the screw a little more the same still happens but more I tighten the screw the harder it gets to no getting the mag to drop using the bullet tip. Hope this makes sense, and you solve this problem so I can use the B-15 as designed. The B-15 is being used on a STAG-15 lower. I've tried the B-15 on the two STAG-15 lowers I have and the same problem happens.

NiteQwill
07-30-2008, 10:20 PM
I like the B-15 too, but I've got a problem with mine that I just received! When I follow the B-15 Bullet Button Installation instructions, and after step six (Tighten the screw so the top of the screw is slightly lower than the top of the B-15) I can still pull the B-15 away from the rifle and turn it. When I tighten the screw a little more the same still happens but more I tighten the screw the harder it gets to no getting the mag to drop using the bullet tip. Hope this makes sense, and you solve this problem so I can use the B-15 as designed. The B-15 is being used on a STAG-15 lower. I've tried the B-15 on the two STAG-15 lowers I have and the same problem happens.

Same issue with me.

I got it to the point where I loctite the screw about 1/8" below "level" and can still release the mag WITHOUT being able to pull up and turn the B15. So far, works great.

PonchoTA
08-29-2008, 5:32 AM
What does the B-15 gain over the regular BB for a new build? For $10 more...

Confused...

NiteQwill
08-29-2008, 7:34 AM
What does the B-15 gain over the regular BB for a new build? For $10 more...

Confused...

Instant removal and use of regular mag release in a free-state, B-15 removes in less than 10 seconds.

BONECUTTER
08-29-2008, 7:45 AM
What does the B-15 gain over the regular BB for a new build? For $10 more...

Confused...

The ability to undo it like a prince50 and have a fully working mag release in seconds.