A few weeks ago I posted a thread about my GF filling a false RO.

[Exposed]

Well, I went to court today, and guess who gets to keep his guns? Thats right. We won people. The truth shall prevail. The bogus restraining order did not hold up. I just want to thank all of you guys for your support on the thread entitled "I need a lawyer, help".

[MILLITIAof1]

happy to hear this:)

[What Just Happened?]

Congrats.

[odysseus]

Awesome!

Now stop dating troubled women.;):D

[hoozaru]

Awesome!

Now stop dating troubled women.;):D

+1 :D

[hawk1]

What did this little excercise in law cost you?
Gonna sue her ***?...:43:

[SDJim]

Awesome!

Now stop dating troubled women.;):D
Wouldn't that mean he'd have to give up dating.:D

[IGOTDIRT4U]

As much as it stinks, the system does work. The truth is out there, and the courts do a usually reasonable job of getting it all out. Once pressed, I am sure her story fell apart quickly.

Any more details?

[M. Sage]

Way to go!

Don't post details if you're going to go after her in court for trying to drag you through the mud.

[rkt88edmo]

Awesome news

[Spyder]

Congrats man. Good to hear, even if it was a frightening and expensive pain in the ***.



The good ones are few and far between! Congrats on clearing your name and as others have suggested you should go after her legally

I scored myself one of those good girls that are few and far between. When we were picking out her wedding ring she told me to get the less expensive one so that I would have enough money to buy her a new shotgun! :D

[Exposed]

Awesome!

Now stop dating troubled women.;):D


+1 You are so right my friend.

[Exposed]

you should sue her for slander and defamation of character.might as well kick her while she is down

That has been sugested, but I dont think I will do it. I just want her out of my life. I dont want any more attention in court than I need. I will just take this as a learning experiance and move on. I also just have no desire to see her face ever again.

[FEDUPWBS]

That has been sugested, but I dont think I will do it. I just want her out of my life. I dont want any more attention in court than I need. I will just take this as a learning experiance and move on. I also just have no desire to see her face ever again.

= She wins!!

[Exposed]

As much as it stinks, the system does work. The truth is out there, and the courts do a usually reasonable job of getting it all out. Once pressed, I am sure her story fell apart quickly.

Any more details?

yup, It was actually funny. We came to a mutual agreement that we both had to stay away from eachother. The judge ruled that not only did that apply to me but to her as well. If either of us goes near eachother, or tries to contact the other, I can call my lawyer and place her in contempt of court. After that, a RO will be placed on her. The same applies to me. I took 10 witnesses and had 23 sworn in statements, she had none. She got a lawyer from the Garragos firm. My lawyer told me she probably droped 10K-20K as that is a very popular firm. Her parents are both Drs, so they can affored it. She not only didnt get the RO on me, but the Judge but limitations on her rights as well. The whole thing blew up in her face. and she spent 3-4 times more than me on a lawyer. 1 of my witnesses over heard her telling her lawyer "Im not happy with the decision. I want his guns" Her lawyer said, "look, we can go big and fight, but this is all you are going to get". She just kept reapeting, "I want his guns" the lawyer asked her, "Are you affraid, or are you mad?". She didnt answer, and just left really pissed with a plastic smile as though she had accomplished something. Her lawyer was not willing to fight BS accusations so she convinced her to take the deal that caused her more harm than me. Im telling you guys details because I am not planning on fighting this anymore, like I said, im taking it as a learning experiance. I am also satisfied enough in know she spent a small fortune to have it all bite her in the A..! And......my 2nd ammendments are alive and well! :D

[Exposed]

= She wins!!

No way, you should have seen how pissed she was ;). She lost for sure. She wanted everything, and actually lost some of her rights (to be around me, contact me etc...). I feel like I won really big. Her pride is dirt right about know.

[pnkssbtz]

= She wins!!

Always pic and choose your battles...


I'd say in this case, losing the battle but winning the war (severing all ties to the ex) would be more prudent...

[battleship]

Oh you won allright, big time, this is the best news i have read in a long time, please go out and buy yourself another gun to celebrate, it would seem she was after your heart in the form of your guns, probably the closest thing to it. this was not about being afraid of someone, but about how can i make him suffer, and she failed, i agree leave the nut alone and go on with your life, and becarefull she does not try and bait you in some way, through her friends. I would say its no big deal for her to have a RO put on her because what has she to loose, but you have much, so becarefull and again this is great news and im so happy for you.

[MKE]

Good for you. Now quit dating those "crazies" and just take your guns out for a good time. You can't ask for anything more - she'll eat whatever you feed her, she doesn't talk back, and most certainly will give you all the satisfaction you need...but best of all, they don't act crazy when you take the other ones out. :D

[Blue]

Great news and a great choice to avoid her from now on. Anything else will just stir the pot and she'll try a different angle.

[Darklyte27]

crazy.

All that trouble

[69Mach1]

Congratulations. Thank God justice prevailed. I hope that falsely reporting a TRO is as serious as the TRO itself.

[saigon1965]

Cool, now you owe us a few rounds, when's the get together?

[Yankee Clipper]

Awesome!

Now stop dating troubled women.;):D

Yes, Congratulations Exposed.
It seems Odyssus, that we have a tendency to keep picking the same mates with the same character flaws. Hopefully Exposed will prove me wrong with his next GF.

[Andruski]

Congratulations, glad to hear it worked out for you. FWIW, I think you made the right decision to let it go. You took the high road.

Few things in life can make you as miserable as a troubled, vindictive female who was once close to you.

[blackrazor]

Way to go exposed... I can hear the collective cries of joy from all men wronged by crazy women in the past, chanting your name. Nice to hear when the system finally comes down in favor of the good guys. Good job.

[futureExpat]

Congrats!!!!!!!!!

[Matt640h]

any details? did the judge chastise her?

[gir007]

Good to hear that man, hopefully it did not hurt ya too bad financially.

[bruss01]

That has been sugested, but I dont think I will do it. I just want her out of my life. I dont want any more attention in court than I need. I will just take this as a learning experiance and move on. I also just have no desire to see her face ever again.

Absolutely right, friend. The best revenge is living well. Spend about 90 days making sweet passionate love to those guns you kept (ahem, as in shooting them at the range, not getting freaky with your 12 ga.) and then get back out there and find a nice girl or two or three to date. Institute a "no psychos" policy and do not bend it no matter how cute the psycho might be. Remember, no matter how cute a girl is, there's a guy somewhere who's sick of putting up with her ****. Please PLEASE do not go loaning cars or giving phones or sharing space with a gal until you have known her WELL for at least 2 or 3 years and have met basically ALL of her friends and family.

Very VERY glad all turned out well for you! You rocked the house on this one dude - and were very lucky if half the stories I've heard out there are true. Count your blessings and soldier on!

[onikuma]

congratulations :)

[tmuller]

congrats and be careful

[hawk1]

... 1 of my witnesses over heard her telling her lawyer "Im not happy with the decision. I want his guns" Her lawyer said, "look, we can go big and fight, but this is all you are going to get". She just kept reapeting, "I want his guns" the lawyer asked her, "Are you affraid, or are you mad?". She didnt answer, and just left really pissed with a plastic smile as though she had accomplished something. Her lawyer was not willing to fight BS accusations so she convinced her to take the deal that caused her more harm than me.

By the sound of this and if it's true, she's not done yet...
Be aware, prepared and proactive. Plenty of scumbag lawyers out there that will take up her case just for her money and no regards as to if it's true or not. She'll be back...
Whatever you do, if she violates any part of the court agreement, go after her first and don't let it slide.

[bruss01]

By the sound of this and if it's true, she's not done yet...
Be aware, prepared and proactive.

This is good advice, and a direct approach via the legal system is not all you have to worry about.

I'm assuming that changing all the locks was the first thing you did. Has she ever had a key to your car? Wouldn't it be odd if you were suddenly pulled over courtesy of an anonymous tip and something illegal found in your car? If she has several grand to waste on a bogus court appointment, then she no doubt could come up with a couple grand for a few ounces of an illegal substance that a friend of hers could be persuaded to plant in your car or home. Can she make your work life difficult by mailing something to your boss (anonymously or perhaps from your webmail account)? She could persuade one of her friends (one you haven't met) to meet you and date you and then put you in a compromised position of some sort (cry date rape or something). Inspect all your guns frequently, make sure they haven't been tampered with in an illegal fashion (serials filed off, barrels shortened etc). She seems really focused on your guns so be really REALLY careful that you don't get set up for a no knock warrant that you mistake for a home invasion - one you never walk away from. An anonymous tip that you have illegal machine guns might be all it takes. For goodness sake, change all the passwords on your computers and accounts and check for spyware (keyloggers etc) and be really CAREFUL about any e-mails you download or links you follow - run a damn good anti-virus and firewall... the last thing you need is ending up with kiddie porn or explosives recipes on your computer that you knew nothing about (sure, just try that defense in court)... It sounds like she can afford enough Xena tapes and Hot Pockets to get the job done.

And besides "setting you up" watch out for social distortion - I mean things like spreading rumors and other 2nd grade behavior. It may not get you in legal hot water but is almost sure to get you steamed. Odds are she will continue to obcess about you until you are tempted to cross the line and then you will be busted down and slapped with a RO. Don't fall for it! See it coming a mile off. When she breaks the rules, it will be out of the blue with no warning, when YOU break the rules, there will be witnesses and hidden cameras - count on it. Remember this saying (zen I think) "He who angers me, controls me". Be above anger, because it can be used to control you, goad you into making a misjudgement. But don't be fooled into thinking just because you won the battle, that the war is over.

Remember that in any conflict, it is always easier to attack than to defend. The defender must secure the entire perimiter, 24/7 - the attacker only goes after one part of the wall, at a time of his own choosing. Watchfulness makes the difference.

It will pay you well to be a little paranoid for a while, at least until she gets a new boyfriend to obcess about.

Live well!

[IGOTDIRT4U]

This is good advice, and a direct approach via the legal system is not all you have to worry about.

I'm assuming that changing all the locks was the first thing you did. Has she ever had a key to your car? Wouldn't it be odd if you were suddenly pulled over courtesy of an anonymous tip and something illegal found in your car? If she has several grand to waste on a bogus court appointment, then she no doubt could come up with a couple grand for a few ounces of an illegal substance that a friend of hers could be persuaded to plant in your car or home. Can she make your work life difficult by mailing something to your boss (anonymously or perhaps from your webmail account)? She could persuade one of her friends (one you haven't met) to meet you and date you and then put you in a compromised position of some sort (cry date rape or something). Inspect all your guns frequently, make sure they haven't been tampered with in an illegal fashion (serials filed off, barrels shortened etc). She seems really focused on your guns so be really REALLY careful that you don't get set up for a no knock warrant that you mistake for a home invasion - one you never walk away from. An anonymous tip that you have illegal machine guns might be all it takes. For goodness sake, change all the passwords on your computers and accounts and check for spyware (keyloggers etc) and be really CAREFUL about any e-mails you download or links you follow - run a damn good anti-virus and firewall... the last thing you need is ending up with kiddie porn or explosives recipes on your computer that you knew nothing about (sure, just try that defense in court)... It sounds like she can afford enough Xena tapes and Hot Pockets to get the job done.

And besides "setting you up" watch out for social distortion - I mean things like spreading rumors and other 2nd grade behavior. It may not get you in legal hot water but is almost sure to get you steamed. Odds are she will continue to obcess about you until you are tempted to cross the line and then you will be busted down and slapped with a RO. Don't fall for it! See it coming a mile off. When she breaks the rules, it will be out of the blue with no warning, when YOU break the rules, there will be witnesses and hidden cameras - count on it. Remember this saying (zen I think) "He who angers me, controls me". Be above anger, because it can be used to control you, goad you into making a misjudgement. But don't be fooled into thinking just because you won the battle, that the war is over.

Remember that in any conflict, it is always easier to attack than to defend. The defender must secure the entire perimiter, 24/7 - the attacker only goes after one part of the wall, at a time of his own choosing. Watchfulness makes the difference.

It will pay you well to be a little paranoid for a while, at least until she gets a new boyfriend to obcess about.

Live well!

Yep, she may have lost but I am sure the wheels are spinning on how to get you in another way. I would also take most of your guns (leave a HG at home for SD)and store them at your parent's home for 30 days (touch all of the on the 30th day and leave them there for another 30!).

[gcvt]

Glad to hear it worked out in your favor - congrats!

[Gryff]

Wouldn't that mean he'd have to give up dating.:D

No, you just need to pick one like my wife. She won't resort to a restraining order...she'll just shoot your *** herself if you try to hurt her.

[tombinghamthegreat]

:79:

Congrats on your legal victory and you may learn something from this. Be careful who you let into your life.

[Exposed]

Yep, she may have lost but I am sure the wheels are spinning on how to get you in another way. I would also take most of your guns (leave a HG at home for SD)and store them at your parent's home for 30 days (touch all of the on the 30th day and leave them there for another 30!).


Its already happened guys, it has begun. I am the GM of the Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf in South Pasadena. Today, she went into the Coffee Bean And Tea Leaf on South Lake Ave in the city of Pasadena with her new Boyfriend (A huge and not very bright guy) and started some trouble. The GM of that store knows her because we used to go in there regularly, so as soon as the incedent happened, he contacted me. What happened was, her and her new "boyfriend" went into the shop and ordered there coffee. They went outside. About 10 minutes later the big guy goes back in the coffee shop and verbally attacks 1 of the female baristas. This female barista is a little philipina girl that cant weigh more tha 100lbs. He says "You talking sh** to my girl" and starts getting loud. My ex goes in behind him and just stands next to him. When the GM of that store tried to get involved my Ex said "just stay out of it". He called security ASAP, my ex and her new guy had to be escorted out. Apperently, she told her new dude that the girl was "talking smack" about her (which she was not) and he felt he needed to make a big deal about it. She knows she cant come into my place of work, but that did not stop her from causing trouble at another store in my company just up the street from me. I called my lawyer as soon as I heard and he gave me advice on what to do which I will not disclose here. But yes, it does not seem to be over. She is crazy and he is stupid. Crazy and stupid are a scary combination. She is capable of getting this guy to come over to my house and try something, which I am not too worried about as I sleep next to my .45 (I was cleared to get them back today as I did an interfamilial transfer with my dad, and I transfered them back today, at least I sent in the papers to the DOJ today) Also, this guy seems like half a man. What kind of guy gets in the face of a tiny little girl 1/3 his size. Man, I regret ever getting involved with this sociopath.

[odysseus]

Your car parked outside?

[Exposed]

Your car parked outside?
Yes, I only have outside parking. Its okay, anything happens, and she will be the first suspect taken into custody.

[odysseus]

If you can prove it...

Yeah, I would expect a hit on that soon since it seems she is into being really stupid in a high school way.

Sounds like you got some heat for a while; keep your situational awareness up up.

[ke6guj]

definitely be on guard.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/teacher-fullerton-2055494 . Teacher was framed by someone, probably by estranged wife, that planted a shotgun and drugs in his car, on school property, and called in an anonomous tip.

[retired]

Yes, I only have outside parking. Its okay, anything happens, and she will be the first suspect taken into custody.

Not unless someone sees it occur and can identify her. I presume she has been in the car before, so her prints will be there also. This may sound a bit paranoid, but you might want to get the car cleaned really good inside and out. Keep the receipt with the description of what was done.

If something does happen to your car subsequent to that and there are no witnesses, any of her fingerprints that show up will be new ones and may possibly be used as evidence in any damage that may occur.

If possible, set up a good quality video camera (hidden) aimed at your car. Other than actually seeing her commit the damage, that would be your best evidence if she damages it.

You may also want to reconsider you idea of not pursuing her civilly for the false RO she obtained and the expenses you incurred.

[blackrazor]

Man... this b!itch is a real piece of work. You know, you might want to start carrying around a small digital camera which takes nice movies too, you never know when you're going to need some good evidence/documentation.

[bwiese]

you might want to start carrying around a small digital camera which takes nice movies too, you never know when you're going to need some good evidence/documentation.


http://www.theflip.com

:)

[Knauga]

Yes, I only have outside parking. Its okay, anything happens, and she will be the first suspect taken into custody.

A cheap web cam can be used to watch your car. More expensive security cams can do it in pitch black ;)

[Beelzy]

Get a camera to watch the car, and a digital voice recorder for you.
A can of Bear Mace should take care of He-Man, while your at it hit the ex
with some too! :p

[savageevo]

I bought the flip for several reason including this one. I guess I am getting paronoid when it comes to confrontations with anybody especially leo's. All courts seem to always side with leo, (not getting away from this subject). The truth never hurts and its always your word against hers. So everywhere I go I bring the flip and that is 100% proof of any incident. If I were you I would definately put a RO on her. Good luck and keep us posted.

[Smokeybehr]

Not unless someone sees it occur and can identify her. I presume she has been in the car before, so her prints will be there also. This may sound a bit paranoid, but you might want to get the car cleaned really good inside and out. Keep the receipt with the description of what was done.


A good detail job will take care of all of that, plus, your car will look like it's right off the lot when they're done. It can be expensive, depending on where you take it, but it's worth it.

At a minimum, take it to the quarter wash and give it a good scrubbing on the outside, a vacuuming on the inside (including under the back seat), and a good wipedown with Armor-All or other protectant after a good cleaning on the inside. Don't leave a single bit of your car untouched.