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Solidsnake87
05-27-2008, 5:08 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=100994143

Holy Jesus. So expensive.....but sooo coooool!!!! :D Personally, if I were to spend that much on a rifle, I'd rather get the costlier PSG-1.

As for this: FA-MAS F1 5.56

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=100584713

If I had the money for this, God knows I'd find a way to get it remarked and legalized for Cali.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=101002046

Bo Yah!!!! I'll take it!

Solidsnake87
05-27-2008, 5:37 PM
Wow. One would think this kind of eye candy would get more attention.

nic
05-27-2008, 5:45 PM
C'mon, man, you've only given everyone 29 minutes to read your post and comment.

Anyway, some cool toys to be sure, but I don't think if I had the $$$ I'd buy them.

Stormfeather
05-27-2008, 5:47 PM
It only gets this type of attention from us california people, mainly because we cant have them, everyone else is used to seeing this stuff, and they arent impressed.

Saigon1965
05-27-2008, 5:50 PM
It's dinner time, go eat.

cbn620
05-27-2008, 5:55 PM
Tell the guy I'll give him 5 bucks for that FAMAS.

Out the door man!

...:(

Fjold
05-27-2008, 6:03 PM
That Famas is double ugly.

FMJBT
05-27-2008, 6:36 PM
As much as I like the PSG-1, I'd have to get the CheyTac M-200. For those not impressed by it, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpRHdjBj5ZI

Shooting a 1.5" group at 600 yards is damn impressive, doing it in pitch blackness at night even more so.:eek: I want one......

Solidsnake87
05-27-2008, 6:52 PM
Cheytac is definitely pretty slick. I got off easy after watching Shooter/ I only wanted a custom remy after that movie. lol. I'd rather have the god of semi autos though. :D

FMJBT
05-27-2008, 6:56 PM
You need to watch part two then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2zC9r7IMuA

2500 yards........:drool5:

ldivinag
05-27-2008, 8:02 PM
1. cheytac was the superstar in the movie SHOOTER...

2. what the <bleep> is that FA MAS?!?

3. phetuwey on that PSG1... lol...CDNN was selling a kinda used one a few years ago for just under 10 grand... YIKES!!!!!! and that was my fav gun in the game DELTA FORCE: LAND WARRIOR... a supressed PSG... :eek:

ricknadine1111
05-27-2008, 8:06 PM
Did I read that right? $19,000.00 + change for the PSG-1:65:

X-NewYawker
05-27-2008, 8:56 PM
Argh.
I don't know if I told this story here. I'd been pestering H&K to send me a T&E PSG-1 for YEARS. I had given up on them and bought a HK 91 and fitted it with a PSG-1 trigger group, grip, buttstock, a model 51 forend -- and then I get this call from Retting in Culver City to come down there -- there is was on the counter -- the hard case with a $9,000 PSG-1 inside and my name on the shipping tag --

ONE WEEK AFTER THE CALIFORNIA BAN STARTED!

They opened the box, we drooled, and they wouldn't even let me TOUCH IT -- ("can't get your fingerprints on it!" ) my PSG! Never would be mine! The box was closed and the gun went back to Virginia...

A year or so after that I was in a private sniper school in Texas. Some of the students had PSG-1s and the coveted Schmidt and Bender scopes. Others had Remington 700s with Leupold Mark ivs -- guess what? The Remingtons cleaned their clocks!

With the S&B scopes cam, it could be adjusted to 100 meters, 200 meters, etc., but when the instructors put a hostage and kidnapper target at, say, 170 yards -- the German scope guys had to "Kentucky windage" their hold over -- the Leupold guys dialed their clicks and made the shots. Since that day it's Mark IV Leupolds for me.

I still want a PSG-1, though. Beautiful semi-auto.

FMJBT
05-27-2008, 9:14 PM
I've never understood the price tag associated with the PSG-1. I think they are the coolest looking gun ever made, but not to the point of being >$10,000 cool. It just seems like way too much money for a rifle built on a stamped sheetmetal receiver. Maybe if I won the Powerball or Super Lotto..... Maybe..... The other deal breaker, like X-New Yawker said, is the scope. Actually, make that the scope mounts. I'm sure it's an excellent piece of glass, but the options for upgrading are pretty much zero. HK would have been smart, and ahead of their time, to put a picatinny rail on it instead of the goofy mount setup it has. I think this is definitely one of those guns that is still cheaper by far to build rather than buy. With the current availability of aftermarket parts patterned after the PSG-1, one could build a very close PSG-1 clone from a JLD receiver for about $2500-$3000.

Solidsnake87
05-27-2008, 9:19 PM
I've never understood the price tag associated with the PSG-1

Most people don't. Its ok. There are about 400 original HK PSG-1s in the US. Note that some police/govt agencies have some locked away for whatever reason. I don't know how many of that number are in civilian hands but it comes down to rarity. A clone can be built for $3.5-7K depending on the quality and parts used. The hardest part about building a clone is finding parts. You might have to look around for two years before coming across the PSG-1 forearm for sale.

If I had that kind of money to throw around I'd take the FA-MAS and then the PSG. The rifle count for the fa-mas is wrong. There are only 88 of them in the US.

X-NewYawker
05-27-2008, 9:22 PM
Yes! And with a rail system it would be MORE versatile -- I loved my H&Ks and their lack of gas systems (and even rifling!) What a joy to maintain -- but that scope mount (I think I remember the mount alone was almost 400 bucks) was an over engineered pos.

Seriously it was trading on reputation -- any of the new AR-10Ts and KAC can outshoot it.

BTW I have to say that all the gun memories this site has dragged up (and the photos I've had to upload) are making me seriously think about moving to Nevada!

X-NewYawker
05-27-2008, 9:24 PM
The HK 41 foreend is JUST as cool as the PSG one.

Delfunk2015
05-27-2008, 9:39 PM
the freakin famas comes with a bb gun?? thats weird..

Solidsnake87
05-27-2008, 9:58 PM
Yeah, a genuine GIAT BB training rifle accompanied every FA-MAS rifle imported. They are not your average BB guns trust me. They go for $2-3K alone due to rarity.

FMJBT
05-27-2008, 10:06 PM
Most people don't. Its ok. There are about 400 original HK PSG-1s in the US. Note that some police/govt agencies have some locked away for whatever reason. I don't know how many of that number are in civilian hands but it comes down to rarity. A clone can be built for $3.5-7K depending on the quality and parts used. The hardest part about building a clone is finding parts. You might have to look around for two years before coming across the PSG-1 forearm for sale.


Most parts can be found here, including forearm and buttstock:
http://www.hkparts.net/1.htm

More here:
http://www.hkspecialist.net/

If you can live without the forward assist, you shave over $700.00 off the cost of building one. Using a Magpul PRS instead of the Factory PSG-1 buttstock will save another $500.00 or so. Ergo grip -vs- Factory Walnut PSG-1 grip, save another $200+ (Although the walnut grip is sweeeeeet). It is possible to build a decent PSG-1 style rifle for about the same money as a similarly outfitted AR-10.

As for accuracy, there are definitely certain rounds that the KAC SASS and AR-10's will shoot better than a PSG-1, but I think the PSG-1 would handle a variety of loads more accurately, and more reliably than an AR based design.

Guns R Tools
05-27-2008, 10:28 PM
As far as 408 Cheytac goes you can get same thing for less.

http://www.edmarms.com/products/m408.htm

http://www.edmarms.com/price.htm

http://www.edmarms.com/main.htm

monkey
05-28-2008, 9:41 AM
Those prices are way above market price for those guns.

That particular FAMAS has been recycled on Gunbroker for a long time. A FAMAS is currently $7000-$8000, not the $15k he's started the auction with.

The PSG-1 is closer to market price, but still about $4000 too much.

The Cheytac is currently available from the manufacturer and less expensive from the source.

tiger222
05-28-2008, 11:10 AM
Most parts can be found here, including forearm and buttstock:
http://www.hkparts.net/1.htm

More here:
http://www.hkspecialist.net/

If you can live without the forward assist, you shave over $700.00 off the cost of building one. Using a Magpul PRS instead of the Factory PSG-1 buttstock will save another $500.00 or so. Ergo grip -vs- Factory Walnut PSG-1 grip, save another $200+ (Although the walnut grip is sweeeeeet). It is possible to build a decent PSG-1 style rifle for about the same money as a similarly outfitted AR-10.

As for accuracy, there are definitely certain rounds that the KAC SASS and AR-10's will shoot better than a PSG-1, but I think the PSG-1 would handle a variety of loads more accurately, and more reliably than an AR based design.

I feel what makes a PSG1 Clone so much fun is how closely it looks like and performs like the real thing.

Shaving off the pricey bits is fine if you just want a blaster ~ you'd be better off with a PTR out of the box.

Actually imho&e, the PSG1 is much more ammo sensitive than a garden variety PTR. The tolerances are tighter and less forgiving. The stock takes a special hold to learn and duplicate. Also the weight of the stock affects the recoil impulse of the rifle....

All things point to the MSG90 being a much better rifle overall than a PSG1. Too bad HK chose to make it on a push pinned reciever. If they made it on a semi - shelfed one, they could of sold alot to the civi market before the Clinton ban.

PIRATE14
05-28-2008, 11:19 AM
I've never understood the price tag associated with the PSG-1. I think they are the coolest looking gun ever made, but not to the point of being >$10,000 cool. It just seems like way too much money for a rifle built on a stamped sheetmetal receiver. Maybe if I won the Powerball or Super Lotto..... Maybe..... The other deal breaker, like X-New Yawker said, is the scope. Actually, make that the scope mounts. I'm sure it's an excellent piece of glass, but the options for upgrading are pretty much zero. HK would have been smart, and ahead of their time, to put a picatinny rail on it instead of the goofy mount setup it has. I think this is definitely one of those guns that is still cheaper by far to build rather than buy. With the current availability of aftermarket parts patterned after the PSG-1, one could build a very close PSG-1 clone from a JLD receiver for about $2500-$3000.

Or how about a JLD SUPER SNIPER........like this.....Free FLOATED......sweet rifles.....only 60 made....sold all the ones we had.....might have more on the way.....

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o172/wegoclan/ptr91special.jpg

tiger222
05-28-2008, 11:42 AM
Or how about a JLD SUPER SNIPER........like this.....Free FLOATED......sweet rifles.....only 60 made....sold all the ones we had.....might have more on the way.....

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o172/wegoclan/ptr91special.jpg


that's probably the closest production rifle there is to an accurate HK style rifle, too bad it does not have the reinforcement rails, and that handguard is ferociously UGLY....!

probably shoots like a dream though!

brando
05-28-2008, 1:43 PM
The PSG-1 was great 20 years ago when there weren't many options for a precision .308 semi. It was pricey because of the way it was manufactured; they went out of their way to take out as many of the potential variables possible. In 1992 I toured the factory south of Karlsruhe and watched a metalurgist sort and cull PSG-1 receivers and barrels based on the uniformity of the material. It was a 1MOA semi and in 1988 that was hard to beat (remember, it takes a LOT of work to get an M14 to that level and maintain it). Times have changed though, so this really should only appeal to people for historical or nostalgic sake these days.

On the Cheytac, take it from someone who has one: it's a serious commitment if you plan to actually shoot it. It's not the kind of gun to take to the range and shoot 600 yard steel all day - it's all about going out past 1600m and handloading, anything else is essentially a waste. For 95% of rifle shooters out there a .338LM is a better, more economic and practical choice.

FMJBT
05-28-2008, 2:07 PM
Actually imho&e, the PSG1 is much more ammo sensitive than a garden variety PTR. The tolerances are tighter and less forgiving. The stock takes a special hold to learn and duplicate. Also the weight of the stock affects the recoil impulse of the rifle....

That would be an interesting test to conduct between a PSG-1/PSG clone and an AR-10T. Feed them both several different grades and types of ammo, 7.62 vs 308, etc. I'm thinking the HK design would outperform the AR simply due to the nature of roller locking actions. Unlike a rotating bolt action that has set headspace when locked into battery, the roller design locks up at zero headspace on every round chambered, unless the round is severely undersized. I haven't inspected the chamber of a PSG-1, but the HK-91 and G-3 chambers I have looked at have all been about .008" to .010" short. When a round is chambered, there is a noticable gap between the bolt face and breech end of the barrel. Seeing this visually of course requires that the barrel is removed from the trunnion. On an assembled rifle, this short chamber can be verified by comparing bolt gap measurements of both empty and loaded chambers (Using inert rounds). The bolt gap measured on a loaded chamber will normally be significantly more than that of an empty chamber.

FMJBT
05-28-2008, 2:10 PM
Or how about a JLD SUPER SNIPER........like this.....Free FLOATED......sweet rifles.....only 60 made....sold all the ones we had.....might have more on the way.....

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o172/wegoclan/ptr91special.jpg

Nice! Any reports on how these shoot out of the box yet? I'm okay with the forearm, but I would definitely like to see some side rails on that receiver. A full length rail extending out to the end of the cocking tube would be nice too. How much are these going for if you can get more in stock?

brando
05-28-2008, 3:56 PM
The PSG-1 tears up brass. Out of the 500 rounds or so I shot through one, very few weren't heavily banged up. It also kicks more than you'd think.