Has no one thought of this? (Avoiding the dreaded AW status)

[cbn620]

Would there be any way to make an AR, AK, FAL or other type semi-automatic rifle into a "bolt-action" rifle? I assume this would be done by swapping the parts related to the gas system. Cutting off the gas system would then cause the operator to manually cycle the bolt with the charging handle after each shot.

I mainly got this idea thinking about the Yugoslavian SKS M59/66 and how, due to the grenade launching capability, there is a gas cut-off feature.

Have any companies took this into consideration? Please don't criticize--just bouncing a random idea here. Could it be possible?

[Wiggawam]

Pull the gas tube and your good to go.

[Crazed_SS]

Big 5 sells Pump-action AKs.

[tombinghamthegreat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47_legal_status
See also: Gun politics in the United Kingdom
"Much of Western Europe has enacted comprehensive national firearms laws which prevent the lawful ownership of AK or variants thereof. The United Kingdom, for instance, has outlawed, through the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, semi-automatic centrefire rifles. It is possible to own AK derivatives in the UK provided they have been produced as "Manual Straight Pull" rifles which need to be manually cocked after each shot, although there is no restriction on magazine capacity. This involves a modification to the weapon to essentially remove the gas system by permanently closing the gas port above the barrel (may also involve the removal of the gas piston). "

This AK/AR bolt action types are very common in places that are not gun friendly like the UK, europe, and California to name a few.

[cbn620]

Well, I sure would love to get one of the bolt action AK/AR's out there. Does anyone know any specifically by name/company?

[Quiet]

Too bad these are baned from importation, cause I'd get one.

http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Images/Enfield_Cadet_RHS.gif
RSAF L-98A1 Cadet Rifle (manually operated)

:Pirate:

[Crazed_SS]

Well, I sure would love to get one of the bolt action AK/AR's out there. Does anyone know any specifically by name/company?

The pump AKs are from Century Arms and called PAR-1

[motorhead]

buying a pump ak is like putting lipstick on a pig.
even in bolt action the probably jam.

[packnrat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47_legal_status
See also: Gun politics in the United Kingdom
"Much of Western Europe has enacted comprehensive national firearms laws which prevent the lawful ownership of AK or variants thereof. The United Kingdom, for instance, has outlawed, through the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, semi-automatic centrefire rifles. It is possible to own AK derivatives in the UK provided they have been produced as "Manual Straight Pull" rifles which need to be manually cocked after each shot, although there is no restriction on magazine capacity. This involves a modification to the weapon to essentially remove the gas system by permanently closing the gas port above the barrel (may also involve the removal of the gas piston). "

This AK/AR bolt action types are very common in places that are not gun friendly like the UK, europe, and California to name a few.



well i doubht the eu has any pump action ak's laying around..what with all the bans.

as for ca, i live here and i have never seen a pump action ak,
not even in a big 5.


.:TFH:
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[E Pluribus Unum]

well i doubht the eu has any pump action ak's laying around..what with all the bans.

as for ca, i live here and i have never seen a pump action ak,
not even in a big 5.


.:TFH:
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Why have a pump action AK??

Get a Saiga.

Get a Off List AK with a monster-man.

Or get an SKS.

There are 100 options better than a pump action AK.

[CCWFacts]

I've seen pictures of them being used in Australia. They have a sweeping ban on semi-auto rifles I believe (don't know the details).

In Europe, it depends on which country. Semi-autos are legal in many countries there. Even full-autos are available in some countries there.

[GenLee]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=91326&highlight=par-1+big

[bwiese]

I'll probably be getting a Magpul Masada (or its Bushmaster production equivalent).

I'll be running it in manual-cycle mode (disabled gas system, no gas piston installed) but it likely will be active as a non-CA gun.

[Hopi]

Would there be any way to make an AR, AK, FAL or other type semi-automatic rifle into a "bolt-action" rifle? I assume this would be done by swapping the parts related to the gas system. Cutting off the gas system would then cause the operator to manually cycle the bolt with the charging handle after each shot.

I mainly got this idea thinking about the Yugoslavian SKS M59/66 and how, due to the grenade launching capability, there is a gas cut-off feature.

Have any companies took this into consideration? Please don't criticize--just bouncing a random idea here. Could it be possible?

With a manual cycle action, not only could you retain 'evil features', but you might also be able to legally import AWs previously listed by name!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=45779

Applicable PC:
12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms:

[Harrison_Bergeron]

I have, HB Big 5 has one, will likely be my first gun, gonna swap the pump for a charging handle and have evil looking EBR. The guy at the gun counter said they get them regularly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl927obOpxU

well i doubht the eu has any pump action ak's laying around..what with all the bans.

as for ca, i live here and i have never seen a pump action ak,
not even in a big 5.


.:TFH:
.

[tombinghamthegreat]

Why have a pump action AK??

Get a Saiga.

Get a Off List AK with a monster-man.

Or get an SKS.

There are 100 options better than a pump action AK.

+1 that. I love my saiga. The pump AK's and the saigas are about the same price.

[cbn620]

Only trouble is, the SAIGA's aren't readily available in my region, and most people (LEO included) are bound to still consider them illegal.

At first I thought this bolt action thing seemed like a good idea. Importing off list parts, assembling a rifle without the gas piston, permanently disabling the gas system... What could go wrong? Nothing illegal. Then I started to mull it over.

The problem is, it would seem to me that a person will inevitably get arrested even if it is a bolt action. They'll probably, eventually, be released, but not after having been victimized by the state for doing something entirely legal. Not after being raided. Not after having their firearms, legal or not, confiscated.

Civil suits to rectify the problem and hold accountable irresponsible/ill informed law enforcement? Justice™ is only for the rich.

I really like the idea of a bolt action AR or AK. Just don't want to be hassled and persecuted for it. Clearly some branch of government/law enforcement needs to step up and address these issues.

Should I write some notarized letters? How about a letter writing campaign? Who should we contact? They need to take a position, they need to be fair.

[E Pluribus Unum]

Wiener
Only trouble is, the SAIGA's aren't readily available in my region, and most people (LEO included) are bound to still consider them illegal.

At first I thought this bolt action thing seemed like a good idea. Importing off list parts, assembling a rifle without the gas piston, permanently disabling the gas system... What could go wrong? Nothing illegal. Then I started to mull it over.

The problem is, it would seem to me that a person will inevitably get arrested even if it is a bolt action. They'll probably, eventually, be released, but not after having been victimized by the state for doing something entirely legal. Not after being raided. Not after having their firearms, legal or not, confiscated.

Civil suits to rectify the problem and hold accountable irresponsible/ill informed law enforcement? Justice™ is only for the rich.



Then don't own guns. Police ignorance can get you into trouble no matter which firearm you own.


I really like the idea of a bolt action AR or AK. Just don't want to be hassled and persecuted for it. Clearly some branch of government/law enforcement needs to step up and address these issues.


A bolt action rifle wont help you much. The letter of the law says "NO AR `series' weapons." Before the harrot interpretation it was generally accepted and taught that ALL receivers, on or off the list were assault weapons. Under the old rules, even if you built a bolt-action rifle out of an AR or AK "style" receiver, the configuration did not matter. Much like the rules are today with regard to listed receivers. If you have a listed receiver that was not properly registered, it is a felony to possess it in any configuration, bolt action, fixed mag, in pieces, none of it matters; the receiver itself is a felony.

The only thing that changed was the People v Harrot gun case which stated this only applies to receivers listed by specific make and model. "Ak and AR series" is too generic.

If a cop is ignorant of the change in the Harrot case he will think that ALL AK/AR series weapons are illegal and the fact that it is a bolt action wont matter.

If you subscribe to the fact that you are scared of ignorant cops and do not want the hassle then stay completely away the AR/AK series weapons. Buy an SKS with fixed mag, a Ruger Mini 14/30 or something that has been legal for 50 years.

A Saiga with the "Sporting Stock" doesn't even look like an AK... especially to the "ignorant" cop. When asked what kind of rifle it is, just tell him it is a Saiga. If he asks if its an AK47 you say, "No sir, it is a Saiga". That would be less risk then even having a pump action AK in my opinion.


Should I write some notarized letters? How about a letter writing campaign? Who should we contact? They need to take a position, they need to be fair.

Your only hope is to educate the department by going in and talking to them. Even then it is each officer you have to worry about. It is not likely your efforts will be fruitful but I am trying. I have already educated the CHP, I’m now working on the BPD.

[cbn620]

Thanks for the educational response. I don't mean to sound so down on the idea, but man these laws sure suck.

What's the sporter stock you're referring to? The only Saiga stock I'm aware of is the one modeled sort of after the SVD. I was under the impression this one is illegal no matter what way you look at it, because it has the pistol type grip.

[E Pluribus Unum]

Thanks for the educational response. I don't mean to sound so down on the idea, but man these laws sure suck.

What's the sporter stock you're referring to? The only Saiga stock I'm aware of is the one modeled sort of after the SVD. I was under the impression this one is illegal no matter what way you look at it, because it has the pistol type grip.

This sexy beast:

Just enough evil (It functions identically as an AK varient)

Not pure evil (It is not technically an AK series as it is very slightly different and the stock is like any other "hunting rifle").

http://www.ammunitionstore.com/Images/Firearms/G039/G039.jpg

[FEDUPWBS]

We gotta talk! PM me your info. Im in Fresno.


Only trouble is, the SAIGA's aren't readily available in my region, and most people (LEO included) are bound to still consider them illegal.

At first I thought this bolt action thing seemed like a good idea. Importing off list parts, assembling a rifle without the gas piston, permanently disabling the gas system... What could go wrong? Nothing illegal. Then I started to mull it over.

The problem is, it would seem to me that a person will inevitably get arrested even if it is a bolt action. They'll probably, eventually, be released, but not after having been victimized by the state for doing something entirely legal. Not after being raided. Not after having their firearms, legal or not, confiscated.

Civil suits to rectify the problem and hold accountable irresponsible/ill informed law enforcement? Justice? is only for the rich.

I really like the idea of a bolt action AR or AK. Just don't want to be hassled and persecuted for it. Clearly some branch of government/law enforcement needs to step up and address these issues.

Should I write some notarized letters? How about a letter writing campaign? Who should we contact? They need to take a position, they need to be fair.

[E Pluribus Unum]

We gotta talk! PM me your info. Im in Fresno.

Hey CBN620....

Something tells me the

"Only trouble is, the SAIGA's aren't readily available in my region"

section of your post just went away as "BS"... ;)

[cbn620]

Hey, always willing to find out! I've never seen a Saiga in Fresno shops.

[E Pluribus Unum]

Hey, always willing to find out! I've never seen a Saiga in Fresno shops.

Thats what Calguns is all about.... edumication.. :)

What do you think of the Saiga I posted??

Evil enough??

It shoots the 7.62x39 and is for all intents and purposes an evil AK-47 wrapped in sheep's clothing.

[cbn620]

Yeah, I'd love to own one. I am familiar with the Saiga and have had my eye on one of the 7.62's from RAA for a long time. I didn't know what you meant by the sporter stock though.

I definitely dig.

I've wondered for some time though, what's up with these that are coming out with "dimpled" receivers. That term is news to me.

[M. Sage]

I've wondered for some time though, what's up with these that are coming out with "dimpled" receivers. That term is news to me.

AK receivers have dimples above the mag well. Check out any image of an AK and you'll see them.

I'm not entirely sure why they're there. To help with magazine changes?