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jakjakman
05-27-2008, 12:12 AM
Being single is great. I can walk around my apartment in my underwear whenever I want. But more importantly, I can build a sweet rifle without any domestic worries from the other gender. :) So this build started back in the free state of Idaho when it became apparent that due to reasons of employment I would be relocating to the dreaded state of California. In preparation for that I picked up a 3rd generation POF billet lower from Rainier Arms ( link (http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=834)). Although the POF gen III lower is more than twice the price of a normal forged lower, I just couldn't pass this one up. First of all, I looks really awesome. :D There's something about a milled billet lower that I've just always found appealing. Second, it has ambidextrous bolt release button. Now, if you shoot rifles left-handed like me then you'll know how much of a pain in the butt it is to hit the normal bolt release button. This way it's simple: slot the mag home then reach up and tap the button. Easy.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske016.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske014.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske017.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske015.jpg

I used a Rock River Arms lower parts kit with the National Match 2-stage trigger, also picked up from Rainier. I swapped out the normal selector switch with an LMT ambi switch. To finish off the little parts I added KNS anti-roll pins (the switch looking things directly above the trigger. Not sure if they were needed, but they sure look cool.) I got the ambi selector and roll pins from Rainier as well.

While installing the lower parts kit I really began to appreciate the craftsmanship of the POF billet lower. The pins used to hold in both of the bolt release buttons are threaded, so no banging on the lower is required. I did have to scrape off a bit of grip material from the top of the MIAD backstrap to get it to fit correctly though. The grip of course is the Magpul MIAD. I prefer the beefy backstrap to be even more beefed up with the Hogue ghetto grip slipped on to boot. The stock is the Magpul UBR ( UBR review (http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/3791029621)). Needless to say it is my favorite stock in the world and most of my rifles present and future will probably end up with one.

Part 2 Continued below.

jakjakman
05-27-2008, 12:13 AM
Part 2.

Here is the completed lower:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske012.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske013.jpg

And now on to the upper! My final choice for the upper receiver came about through a series of influences. It began with a book that came highly recommended by a few people whose opinions I trust. The book, 'Green Eyes and Black Rifles,' (http://www.vikingtactics.com/book.html) is a great reference guide to using a combat carbine. Throughout the book the author's rifle featured the VTAC modular handguard, which is a round tube with horizontal slots instead of the more traditional railed handguard. At first I didn't like the way it looked, but after a while its simplicity and straightforward nature grew on me. It's fairly light, too.

So with the VTAC handguard in mind I began to look at JP rifles (http://www.jprifles.com/). JP produces some great rifles and have made a real name for themselves in the 3-gun scene. I was almost set on a JP upper when Noveske Rifleworks (http://www.noveskerifleworks.com/) suddenly sprung up on my radar. Noveske had begun offering rifles and uppers which combined their amazing barrels with the VTAC handguard. In addition, Noveske had also released a stunning new barrel which had the interweb blogosphere ablaze: the 16" Recce with midlength gas system. A midlength gas system is better suited to a 16" barrel because it moves the gas block forward, which is supposed to increase reliability and flatten out the recoil impulse (in comparison to the carbine length gas port). The Recce barrel has a 1 in 7" twist and is made from Mil Spec M249 machine gun barrel steel with a heavy M249 chrome lining, which is about two times as thick as an M16. I wanted something chromed over a precision steel barrel because I wanted this rifle for use in carbine courses where I could expect a high volume of use between cleanings. So my ideal upper was to be the VTAC/Noveske upper with the Recce barrel. The only problem was that the specific VTAC Recce combo wasn't specifically offered on Noveske's website. No problem, and email later and John himself said I could order it my way.

Lead time between order and delivery: slightly more than two weeks. Freaking awesome.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske020.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske021.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske018.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske019.jpg

The upper is pretty much perfect. Everything is solid and the quality of the handguard is excellent. The upper included the Troy BUIS you see in the pics above, which are included in the price of the upper (which is amazing when you consider I would have bought a set if they hadn't, so that's like $240 saved). The railed sections and sling swivel were purchased separately from Viking Tactics (the VTAC guys). The railed sections can be placed pretty much anywhere on the handguard which allows for a great amount of flexibility. For my needs I wanted one for a vertical grip and one for a light. The muzzle device I chose for the barrel is the AAC fast-attach device for the AAC SPR/M4 (http://www.advanced-armament.com/spr_m4.asp) suppressor. I picked it mainly because I wanted to see if the space-time continuum would explode if I put LaRue, Noveske, and AAC all together on the same rifle. (Haha, that's a little insider for those who keep up on their AR15.com gossip) For reals though I got it because hopefully some day I'll move back to a free state and the SPR/M4 looks like a great silencer. In the meantime it has the Blackout flash hider, which is probably the best out there right now--muzzle flash is reduced to zero. I may eventually change the muzzle device to a Surefire muzzle break/fast-attach, but we'll have to see.

Part 3 continued below.

jakjakman
05-27-2008, 12:13 AM
Part 3

So! Now onto the final rifle:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske007.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske009.jpg

I finished her off with a Trijicon TA01 ACOG with LaRue Tactical mount and the ever popular LaRue FUG ( review (http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/9091092321?r=9091092321#9091092321)). You'll notice that the FUG is mounted fairly for forward. At this point I'm trying the position out to see how it goes. My initial feeling is that I like it. My aim seems to be a tad more steady when it's extended further along the handguard and the rifle seems to point easier, so I'll keep it there for now. I don't have a light on there yet, I'm waiting for Surefire's new scout light they're supposed to come out with later this year. It should be pretty impressive with the output level they have their current LED lights at. I have a Viking Tactics padded sling for the rifle, but it doesn't appear in any pictures. The sling is truly awesome, I'd encourage anyone in the market for a carbine sling to give it a look over here (http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_sling_VTAC-MK1-a.html#) (don't forget to watch the video at the bottom of the product page).

Range report:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske001.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske002.jpg

I took her to the range this last Saturday and put her through the paces next to my Rock River Arms entry tactical carbine. So, initial shooting impressions? A hands down supper winner. It felt great, it shot great, and I had no problem sighing her in. I shot some Eagle 55gr .223, M193, and some M855. The only problem I ran into was with the M885, which failed to push the bolt back far enough to load another round several times. I attribute this to using an H-buffer, which seems to be a tad bit too heavy. I'm a bit confused about why the M885 would have problems though--it's loaded at 5.56 NATO pressure and has a heavier bullet, which in my mind should make it the least likely candidate for something like this. Next time I'm out I'll run a bunch of it with a lighter buffer and see if that fixes things. Comparing the Noveske to my RRA carbine, there is a tangible difference in the two rifles' recoil. The Noveske felt like a slightly longer but lighter push while the RRA carbine was shorter and sharper. So, imagine that, something I read on the interweb was true after all.

In finally, this rifle was a lot of fun to build and I am very pleased with how it turned out. I highly recommend the good folks at Noveske, Viking Tactics, LaRue Tactical, and Rainier Arms. They were all very helpful: emails were answered quickly and orders where shipped promptly. They all get a big thumbs up and a glowing recommendation from me.

The chair is against the wall.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske022.jpg

**Note**
About California and my evil black rifle: My rifle has a off-list lower receiver with an installed bullet button so the magazine cannot be removed without a tool. The Pmag pictured is permanently modified with a rivet to limit its capacity to a maximum of 10 rounds.

jandmtv
05-27-2008, 12:16 AM
That is one helluva SICK rifle you have there, Very EVIL looking!!!

SFFRONTMAN
05-27-2008, 12:19 AM
Dude, pure awesomeness.

Hopi
05-27-2008, 12:20 AM
Looks great! Post pics of those targets!!!

FMJBT
05-27-2008, 12:21 AM
Sweet:drool5:

battleship
05-27-2008, 12:24 AM
The best i have seen yet on calguns i like it better than my own, which i thought was rather nice, Awsome build.

That hand guard is something else, the begining detail, looks like miniture rocket launcher pods as seen on the wings of helicopter gunships.

This thread is going in my favourites file so i can look back at those pics.

mr2.0
05-27-2008, 12:41 AM
That's the best looking rifle I've seen in a while. It's not just the amount of money you have invested in, but also the amount of time and well thoughts into it. I'm sure you'll enjoy it for a long time, awesome built. Tam

jakjakman
05-27-2008, 12:49 AM
Thanks guys. :)

Uggh, that post took me like two hours to write. I'm going to bed. :sleeping:

Lateralus
05-27-2008, 1:24 AM
:eek::eek::eek:

You have made many jealous friends by posting that :D

Knight
05-27-2008, 1:47 AM
From a fellow left-hander: thanks for taking the time to write all this out, you've given me some great ideas for my future 2nd build.

Quiet
05-27-2008, 2:18 AM
The chair is against the wall.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske022.jpg

**Note**
About California and my evil black rifle: My rifle has a off-list lower receiver with an installed bullet button so the magazine cannot be removed without a tool. The Pmag pictured is permanently modified with a rivet to limit its capacity to a maximum of 10 rounds.

John has a long moustache.

J_Rock
05-27-2008, 2:22 AM
WOW! Thats the meanest paper killer Ive seen on calguns yet.

My friend you put arfcomers to shame with this build

FlyingPen
05-27-2008, 2:47 AM
I've heard the POF Billet lowers are cracking under heavy use according to some folks... anyone else hear about that?

gcvt
05-27-2008, 3:03 AM
You must be single AND have a great job! Damn, can I do what you did if I break up with my girlfriend??!! http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/thinking.gif

Very nice rifle - congrats.

BP88
05-27-2008, 3:23 AM
****ing badass!

lakai
05-27-2008, 3:56 AM
nice.. you're making me itch to get a POF lower now..

Darklyte27
05-27-2008, 6:21 AM
sweeeet

Bowser
05-27-2008, 7:17 AM
I like that upper a lot.

hss0p
05-27-2008, 7:54 AM
That is awesome! If it is really THAT heavy, feel free to send me that acog, itll take off some of the weight :cool2:

USN CHIEF
05-27-2008, 8:43 AM
This is the nicest thang I have seen in my entire life... Great job.. Very jelous of you.. Thank you for sharing..

savageevo
05-27-2008, 8:55 AM
hey, now that u r infected spread the disease, nice rifle, you should match that pof lower with a pof uppernow.:43:

jakjakman
05-27-2008, 9:46 AM
That is awesome! If it is really THAT heavy, feel free to send me that acog, itll take off some of the weight :cool2:

Ha! :) That's the whole idea behind the VTAC tube--it keeps the rifle nice and light. :chris:

m1match
05-27-2008, 9:54 AM
VERY NICE- you made a bunch of excellent choices.

hybridatsun350
05-27-2008, 10:11 AM
I can't explain how freakin badass that rifle is! All I can say is you know how to put it together the right way. Everything flows and nothing looks out of place. Great rifle! :43:

Saigon1965
05-27-2008, 10:14 AM
What was your final dollar figure for the build?

RedDawn
05-27-2008, 10:17 AM
That is awesome!
Thanks for sharing. You've made me very jealous. I knew I shouldn't have married.:D

apbrian112
05-27-2008, 10:18 AM
sick *** rifle! thing is a monster of awesomeness...

Black Majik
05-27-2008, 10:20 AM
jakjak,

That is seriously one heckuva build right there. Glad to see you adjusting nicely to CA conditions. Keep up with the reviews, they were great to read! :cool2:

Red_5
05-27-2008, 10:25 AM
You sir, are truly worthy of my hatred.... But only due to me being so jealous of that very awesome rifle. :chris:

And may I say GOOD JOB! That is a proper nice gun.

jakjakman
05-27-2008, 10:50 AM
Thanks guys! :)

As for the final price... Uggh, I don't even want to add it up.

hybridatsun350
05-27-2008, 10:52 AM
Thanks guys! :)

As for the final price... Uggh, I don't even want to add it up.

I don't blame you!

PIRATE14
05-27-2008, 10:56 AM
I don't blame you!

Well we build rilfes for our customers just like this all the time.....I am going to have start talking pictures of the masterpieces......

It's very easy to go over 2K and upwards when you toss on the optics....I think our most expensive was upwards of 5K.....:43:

Like anything that is super trick.....cars/bikes/women.....costs$$$$$

plinkmeister
05-27-2008, 11:27 AM
That is one helluva SICK rifle you have there, Very EVIL looking!!!

Sick rifle??? :confused: Personally I think it`s SLICK. SLICK with an "L" that is. :43:

docsmileyface
05-27-2008, 11:45 AM
****, looks like it shoots plasma balls or something. Very evil and black. :43:

Diablo
05-27-2008, 11:54 AM
Dang, I can't see the pictures at work. Can't wait to go home to see what all the fuss is about.....:D

Hopi
05-27-2008, 12:21 PM
Dang, I can't see the pictures at work. Can't wait to go home to see what all the fuss is about.....:D

Damn porn filters....

Blacktail 8541
05-27-2008, 12:44 PM
I commend you on a great build, well thought out.

Blwnbwtie
05-27-2008, 12:54 PM
that thing is sweet looking, im jealous

Diablo
05-27-2008, 1:26 PM
Damn porn filters....

Yep, I don't knowwhat they worry about. The human body is beautiful...:smilielol5:

cobra198
05-27-2008, 1:45 PM
My god, you werent lying in the title... that build truly is epic! What a beautiful Ar. Very nice write-up as well!

JTROKS
05-27-2008, 1:53 PM
Wow! Makes a spacegun look down to earth. Cool build!

eijjie33
05-27-2008, 1:55 PM
yeah,that's really look great...i bet it's still way more than i can afford even if i wasn't married:D

trinydex
05-27-2008, 2:14 PM
i read the title and thought SHENS. but after seeing the chronicle, truly is worthy of the title.

ViPER395
05-27-2008, 2:16 PM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske022.jpg

Wow. That makes even me want to start an AR build.

randy
05-27-2008, 2:17 PM
How does it shoot?

Heavy_Grinder
05-27-2008, 2:19 PM
seriously. That truly is a mean looking AR. Probably one of the best user built EBR"s to date shown here on Calguns that is Cali legal.

You got me second guessing my plain jane KISS build, and it looks like she needs an upgrade.

Addax
05-27-2008, 4:10 PM
Very Nice!
WOW, WOW, WOW!

That is one sweet rig!:43:

Vin496
05-27-2008, 4:11 PM
That is the sweetest build I have seen, PERIOD!!!!

If i hadn't already ordered my stuff, I would rob your build.

grubbin
05-27-2008, 5:54 PM
Entertaining read... you've sold me on the round handguards. Nice build.

recshooter
05-27-2008, 7:57 PM
10/10.

jandmtv
05-27-2008, 8:16 PM
Sick rifle??? :confused: Personally I think it`s SLICK. SLICK with an "L" that is. :43:

let me direct you to the urban dictionary

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SICK%21%21

bigdave1121
05-27-2008, 8:36 PM
Hey jakjakman, let me know the next time you're at LARGC shooting that thing. If it's on a weekend I'll almost certainly be up there working. I gotta see that thing in action :D

I'll even let you shoot it with less than 2 seconds between each shot :cool2:

redisputed
05-27-2008, 9:13 PM
That is sick looking. Zombies beware!

Great write up. Very helpful.

jakjakman
05-27-2008, 9:14 PM
Thanks again everyone! The Calguns community has sure made my relocation to Cali pleasant.


Hey jakjakman, let me know the next time you're at LARGC shooting that thing. If it's on a weekend I'll almost certainly be up there working. I gotta see that thing in action :D

I'll even let you shoot it with less than 2 seconds between each shot :cool2:

Deal! I'll even let you send some lead down range. :)

How does it shoot?

Would you believe, 'like a dream?' :) Unfortunately I ran out of time before I made it over to the 100m tables; my time was spent mostly on the fifty sighting both of my rifles in. I choose a 50m zero because it's supposed to keep your POI within 2" of the POA out to around 200m. I think that'll do fine for any upcoming carbine courses that I'll travel out to later this year.

Anyway, after I had her dialed in the bullets were pretty much falling on top of each other, which isn't saying much for only 50 meters. I'll pay more attention to the groupings the next time I'm out. Btw, next time I'm at the range someone better order some warmer weather because it was freezing! Wtf, I thought it was supposed to be warm in this state! :)

Cesar G.
05-27-2008, 9:53 PM
nice riffle

bigdave1121
05-27-2008, 9:59 PM
Btw, next time I'm at the range someone better order some warmer weather because it was freezing! Wtf, I thought it was supposed to be warm in this state! :)
Yeah you're telling me. At least you got to shoot. I was up there freezing my balls off on Saturday. Damn it was cold!

Is that when you were up there?

jakjakman
05-27-2008, 10:15 PM
Yeah you're telling me. At least you got to shoot. I was up there freezing my balls off on Saturday. Damn it was cold!

Is that when you were up there?

Yup, Saturday. I was the chump in the short sleeve shirt. The thing was, it actually wasn't that bad down in the valley when I left and I had no idea the range was at the top of the freakin mountain, haha. Anyway, next time I'll pack away some some warm clothes just in case. :cool:

Anyway, here she is with her sister, the two rifles I had up there on Sat.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e5/jakjakman/Noveske/xNoveske035.jpg

ghost
05-27-2008, 10:19 PM
kick *** build jakjakman:D
hows that flash hider compared to a se vortex?

jakjakman
05-27-2008, 10:25 PM
kick *** build jakjakman:D
hows that flash hider compared to a se vortex?

I've haven't used my Noveske at night yet and I've never used a Vortex, but here's some good info with comparison pictures:

http://defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1122

jacques
05-27-2008, 10:38 PM
That is Very nice. I like those billet receivers also.

jakjakman
05-29-2008, 8:33 PM
Bump because it's my birthday. :)

Saigon1965
05-29-2008, 9:03 PM
Bump because it's my birthday. :)


Well, Happy Birthday to you man.

tazmanian devil dog
05-29-2008, 9:54 PM
I just got wood looking at that beautiful black rifle. Totally sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

J_Rock
05-29-2008, 11:10 PM
Bump because it's my birthday. :)

Looks like you got yourself a nice present :rolleyes:

MrLogan
05-30-2008, 2:56 PM
Wow. Impressive. Very, very nice.

aplinker
05-30-2008, 3:45 PM
Nice rifle, great review.

Your conclusion about cycling problems is correct - mid-lengths don't require the "carbine fixes." They run so smooth without them. Dump the heavy buffer. :)

With the ambi bolt & selector you need to complete the trio when you go to a free state with an ambi mag release. ;)

I'm curious why you chose the TA01 ACOG over one with the BAC.

jakjakman
05-30-2008, 8:09 PM
Nice rifle, great review.

Your conclusion about cycling problems is correct - mid-lengths don't require the "carbine fixes." They run so smooth without them. Dump the heavy buffer. :)

With the ambi bolt & selector you need to complete the trio when you go to a free state with an ambi mag release. ;)

I'm curious why you chose the TA01 ACOG over one with the BAC.

Yes, an ambi mag release would be very nice indeed. I'll be running a normal buffer next time I'm out and I'll shoot some more M885 through to make sure there are no problems. An ACOG with the fiber optic along the top would've been nice, but I got the TA01 on a screaming deal I couldn't pass up. Ideally I'd love to have a Schmidt & Bender short dot on her, but I don't see that happening for a while. :)

Para
05-30-2008, 8:28 PM
I think I have fallen in love with the UBR stock. Good thing I'm single.

tazmanian devil dog
05-30-2008, 8:33 PM
This is serious gun porn. You are contributing to the delinquency of a gun porn addict.

jakjakman
05-30-2008, 8:39 PM
This is serious gun porn. You are contributing to the delinquency of a gun porn addict.

There oughta be a law! Oh wait, WTF am I saying? :chris:

Horus408
05-31-2008, 7:19 AM
niiiiice !

J_Rock
06-02-2008, 8:18 PM
Hey Jak, aka Whirling Dervish, where did you get your slip cover for your MIAD?