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Syntax Error
01-15-2015, 8:29 AM
Hey guys,

I recently picked up a Madsen Model 1947, and managed to shoot it for a few rounds, but it looks like the extractor had chipped away a little and now I probably need a new one, or somehow repair the extractor that I already have.

I was wondering if anyone knows a source of parts for these unique bolt action rifles? I am doubtful of the availability of parts for this gun since only 6,000 were made, but maybe someone knows of something.

Alternatively, how much would something like this cost to custom machine? Maybe if there's enough interest, perhaps a small run could be manufactured if it's not too costly or infeasible, but I've never had a machinist make a part for my personally.

Another idea would possibly be to weld a bead onto the tip of the chipped extractor and file the part to fit again? I am not sure about the durability of this option, nor how this would affect the temper of the part.

Twystd1
01-15-2015, 12:02 PM
Call the folks at www.libertytreecollectors.com

If my memory serves me right. They know a guy with some parts for that particular weapon.

Conversely, I would guess a smith or welder/machinist could TIG up the broken part and reform it and give it a heat treat.

Thats my .02 worth.

-T

Syntax Error
01-15-2015, 5:40 PM
Thanks for the tip, just gave them an email and they said they haven't seen loose Madsen parts ever. :(

Anyways, I took some pictures to demonstrate the problem that I have with the extractor - a piece chipped away and as such won't grab onto the rim properly anymore.


http://i.imgur.com/hrAySUih.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/agmsOlFh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dLVuMedh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/12NU2f6h.jpg

I don't think I'll be able to find a reliable source for these parts exactly, perhaps doing a spot TIG weld as Twystd1 suggested and filing to fit would be the next best alternative?

Armistice
01-15-2015, 6:08 PM
Syntax, I can do TIG at work if you'd like me to work on it :) . We also have a mill so could possibly mill out the inside part and flush up the top. Someone else would have to heat treat it

Not to thread jack, but my Madsen first time out broke the leaf spring to the rear sight, so now it is able to just flop around. I'd like to locate the spring

Don't have a pic of it

Pics of what extractor should look like. If you can get it out, I'll fix it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/liquiddragon006/Boltface.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/liquiddragon006/Boltface2.jpg

And some quick Google searching has yielded NO replacement parts :(

Syntax Error
01-15-2015, 7:11 PM
Yeah, looks like a significant portion of the extractor is missing. If I bring the Madsen by at the shoot this weekend, I can give you the extractor so you can TIG it?

Also, thanks for the reference pics, that's good to have to see how it should look, and since you have an intact part, it will be good to compare the two pieces.

Armistice
01-15-2015, 7:19 PM
Yup, can do. I plan on being there on Sun

Find out how to remove the extractor. I read that it's very similar to removing a Carcano extractor (not sure which modal though). I will also need to remove mine so I can get some proper dimentions

Not knowing how the metal will react to heat, there is a chance the heat could just ball up the metal and render it totally useless and unsalvageable :( Let's try to do some research beforehand

The heat could ruin the spring properties, but heat treating MAY fix that

Wonder if you can get an extractor made for 30-06 and we can tool it to fit the Madsen bolt...

SVT-40
01-15-2015, 7:25 PM
In all my years collecting I have never seen any Madsen spare parts.....

I would go with a repair attempt...

Armistice
01-15-2015, 8:25 PM
Posted a question about spare parts and a guy said to try to modify a Mosin or Mauser extractor

You buy the extractors, I'll work my metalworking magic... maybe :p

Syntax Error
01-15-2015, 8:41 PM
I don't think a Mauser or Mosin extractor would even fit, the Mauser extractor would at least require a lot of machining but I suppose if it's machined enough, it might be able to make fit.

smle-man
01-15-2015, 8:59 PM
They only made about 5k of the guns; any parts now will only come from guns being broken apart for the pieces. That is going to be a tough fix. Best of luck.

Armistice
01-15-2015, 9:00 PM
I don't think a Mauser or Mosin extractor would even fit, the Mauser extractor would at least require a lot of machining but I suppose if it's machined enough, it might be able to make fit.

Anything can be made to fit

Syntax Error
01-15-2015, 9:04 PM
An 1891 extractor may be close enough as a donor piece:

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/catalog/DSC06262.JPG

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=310

Syntax Error
01-15-2015, 9:09 PM
Now the challenge is trying to get the extractor off....I've been trying at it for 30 minutes now and it's not budging. It's definitely held in there with some strong spring power.

eighteenninetytwo
01-16-2015, 6:04 AM
There is often a tiny screw lurking hidden by oil/junk etc.

knucklehead0202
01-16-2015, 6:16 AM
I looked at a madsen in a small shop a while ago and was very tempted. But it was missing a couple parts and I figured I'd NEVER find them so I passed. Kinda glad, although I'd really like to get one of these someday. Hope it all goes well Syntax.

mj1
01-16-2015, 11:03 AM
How on earth did that happen? My cousin has one he has been shooting for years with out a hitch. Could it have been like that when you bought it? What kind of ammo were you using? Good luck and post your results.

Syntax Error
01-16-2015, 11:19 AM
I am not sure, it's possible the extractor was in a somewhat damaged state when I received it, I didn't really take a good look at what it was like before I fired three rounds at the range, but they extracted just fine. I wasn't force loading it from the chamber and forcing the extractor to snap over the rim, in all cases with rounds loaded, it was loaded from the magazine so the rim would slip underneath the extractor as the bolt was pushed into battery.

mj1
01-16-2015, 12:19 PM
When repaired be sure the extractor slot is cleaned out well. I will never shoot mine but I will now clean the gunk out.

Again good luck.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/DSCF0101_zpsb11d5bd1.jpg

TRAP55
01-16-2015, 5:03 PM
Now the challenge is trying to get the extractor off....I've been trying at it for 30 minutes now and it's not budging. It's definitely held in there with some strong spring power.

http://stevespages.com/ipb-madsen-model1958.html
Syntax, You have to lift the end and tap it back?
When you get it off, post a pic of it. A guy on GB had a handful of extractors he was trying to ID, close to an Argy 91, but just a bit different. Now I'm thinking they may have been for a Madsen.
I'll search his posts and see if I can find the pic he posted. If not, I can refer you to a couple of smiths that repair the lip, and extend them for cartridge conversions in Mausers.

Syntax Error
01-16-2015, 7:31 PM
Thanks for that info, TRAP, I'll try to get the extractor off in one piece. :)

Syntax Error
01-17-2015, 4:13 PM
I managed to get the extractor off. It is held in place from slipping off of the bolt by a tab that goes into a machined out groove in the bolt body:

http://i.imgur.com/UB15gYIh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6S2SeU1h.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AOz0UPQh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/acBneLNh.jpg

I guess one of my questions is - which kind of extractor would be closest matching to the cut out on the Madsen that would allow for a bit of filing or fitting to make work? Looking at 1891 extractors, it seems to be a bit too wide and shallow, but the protrusion in the extractor looks like it would be in the right spot to fit.

Armistice
01-17-2015, 6:08 PM
How did you get it out? I'll have to take mine out for dimentioning

TRAP55
01-17-2015, 6:16 PM
You won't find anything close to that!
Your best bet is having it repaired.
I spent an hour searching for the post on GB. I think I found it, but the OP deleted his pics from photo bucket that were posted. His user name is gnprts if you want to contact him.

Syntax Error
01-17-2015, 7:59 PM
How did you get it out? I'll have to take mine out for dimentioning

You have to push out the extractor to clear the little notch underneath, and then pull it out carefully. Since your extractor is intact, you'll want to be careful.

Armistice
01-17-2015, 8:13 PM
Push from the bolt face side?

68Ranchy
01-17-2015, 8:30 PM
If you guys have problem with the repair let me know. That part doesn't look too complicated. I could probably machine one for you from scratch. I have a little cnc shop and enjoy working on gun projects every now and then.

Syntax Error
01-17-2015, 9:04 PM
Push from the bolt face side?

Yeah, push out from the bolt face side outwards until the protrusion sticks out from the bolt body and you will be able to pull it out.

If you guys have problem with the repair let me know. That part doesn't look too complicated. I could probably machine one for you from scratch. I have a little cnc shop and enjoy working on gun projects every now and then.

Highly appreciated 68Ranchy, if his doesn't work out or perhaps we want to make more than one, I'm sure there are many Madsen owners who would like to have spare extractors, which seems like a delicate part in the design.

68Ranchy
01-17-2015, 9:16 PM
No problem. Good luck with the repair!

gunboat
01-17-2015, 11:48 PM
I would consider packing it to prevent heat transfer, weld up the broken area by heli-arc and grind/file to shape -
I would not try to reheat treat the part --
I expect even "soft" it will work for years --
I have seen mauser extractors repaired by simply "butt joining" a new claw on with silver solder -- Seem to work fine
my tuppence