Living with someone convicted of a felony

[Saltdog55]

Hello,
I am living with someone that was convicted of a felon. They will have the charges reduced to a misdemeaner after 18 months but cannot possess firearms or ammunition until then. Do I need to get rid of my guns and ammo while living in the same house with this person? Does it matter that the guns are in a safe? I don't want to jeopardize this persons freedom.

Thank you

[trapshot68]

Put the safe in an area that isn't considered "communal property". I.e. your room, with a locked door. Also, do not give him the safe combo.

Should be good. If there's any questions, just ask his parole/probation agent and show the conditions you've set to protect both yourself (main priority) and friend.

[Centurion_D]

That's a tough one...I would think that there cannot be any firearms in the home with a felon living there but you stated that the guns are locked in a safe so I don't know. Someone else might want to chime in.:confused:

[Saltdog55]

Thanks for the info. I'll bring it up with the probation officer. One room in the house is dedicated as my office so maybe that will work.

They would not have the combo to the safe either way but I trust this person and have known them for a long time. He is actually a quality person that made a bad choice and was way overcharged in my opinion.

Thanks again

[Shane916]

I believe as long as the felon does not have "access" to the firearms and ammunition then you are in the green.

[bwiese]

All guns, ammo and magazines should be locked away from the problem dude.

He should not have access (combo, key, etc.). Best if safe/lockbox were in a room he doesn't have access to.

[Neil McCauley]

Congratulations on getting married. :eek::D

[E Pluribus Unum]

Some good info.. some bad.. :)

The felon cannot have access to the gun. This means if you have a room that is yours and only yours, put a lock on the door and don't give him the key. This meets the legal requirement but it would be better to put them in a safe.

[ViPER395]

Have you considered parting ways?

[bruss01]

Sorry to say, but you will make all kinds of reasons to tell yourself (or us) why you need to stay in a residence with this person....

But really, you don't. And it would likely serve you well to get yourself and your guns out of the Drama Zone.

I've known lot's of people who just made one bad judgement... and then another... and then had an unlucky break... and then had something happen... and it just goes on. They always have an excuse or someone else to blame for the situation.

Lightning does in fact strike twice, in fact the Empire State building gets struck tons of times every year. Gee, no wonder, it's a huge freakin' lightning rod. If you hang around, sooner or later they will come for your guns. Remember the similar situation recently posted here of the guy who just came home tired with his shotgun, forgot to put it away in the safe, cops raided a roomie who was a felon... dude lost his shotgun AND his roomie, neither one of them are coming back. Hanging around is just setting yourself up for trouble and/or drama in the near future.

Mark my words.

[pnkssbtz]

When the cops come to arrest him again (when he repeat offends), they aren't going to care that the firearms are in a safe (locked) in a private room rented to a third party.

All they will care is that he is a felon, and he is under the same roof as your guns. Your safe will be busted open and your safe will be emptied by the police and confiscated.

[Saltdog55]

Thanks for all the advice.

I think I'll play it safe and remove guns/ammo from the house.

I have absolutely no worries with this person and know the circumstances of the charges.

[packnrat]

people can say what they want.

you need to talk to a lawyer now, pay the two bills and get the correct scoop on what is needed to do.


:TFH:


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[Blue]

people can say what they want.

you need to talk to a lawyer now, pay the two bills and get the correct scoop on what is needed to do.


:TFH:


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Probably a good idea, $200 is cheap when you look at what you've got invested in your guns.

[RAD-CDPII]

Thanks for all the advice.

I think I'll play it safe and remove guns/ammo from the house.

I have absolutely no worries with this person and know the circumstances of the charges.

I believe that you have chosen one of the two best courses of action, the other being that someone has to move. Not that some of the other advise given is not valid, but S*** can happen in the best of situations.

[Jamez]

Anyone know where the PC is saying "as long as it's been separated it's ok?" if it exists?

[bigcalidave]

There is no reason to have a felon in or around your house. If you moved in with them, move. I won't allow felons in my house, even old friends. Sorry buddy, not worth the risk. Not worth it for you, not worth it for me.

[bigcalidave]

Anyone know where the PC is saying "as long as it's been separated it's ok?" if it exists?


Penal code won't say something is ok, just that it's not. Case law interpretation may say something like that, not that I know of.

[megavolt121]

There is no reason to have a felon in or around your house. If you moved in with them, move. I won't allow felons in my house, even old friends. Sorry buddy, not worth the risk. Not worth it for you, not worth it for me.

So let's say your best friend gets popped by a stupid DA for a legal OLL but your friend ignores all your advice and takes a plea bargain with some felony charge, would you stop being friends with him?

Did you know that possession of child pornography is a felony offense? Did you also know that legally speaking even a picture of your own baby in a bathtub is considered pornography?

Seriously, unless you know what the felony is for you should hold back judgement.

[edgekidxxx]

Locking them up sounds about right. But from what I've seen as of late and heard. If the Feds or even the cops want to bust someone, they'll usually do whatever it takes. Even if that's storming into your room and taking your guns as collateral. May not be right and you may get them back. But when and how is a whole different story.

[SeanCasey]

I want to backup what megavolt121 said. Not all felonies really mean the person is a criminal scumbag that should be cast out. There are several firearms laws that it is possible to inadvertantly break (or someone breaks because they are having a stupid moment and don't like a certain law). Heck, someone who is 20 that makes a fake ID to go by beer (I never did it, but a friend of my brother in law did, and got busted, and they are charging it as a felony) could get a felony. Stupid to do it? Yes. Illegal... No doubt. Heck, I suppose some self-defense cases gone wrong could make someone a felon too. So in some cases a "felon" is not always the stereotypical thug/gangbanger/druggie/rapist/etc that we think they are. The OP knows what he is charged with and decides to trust him.

Now if they part of the scumbag group, then yes, get as far away from them as possible and never look back......

[bigcalidave]

So let's say your best friend gets popped by a stupid DA for a legal OLL but your friend ignores all your advice and takes a plea bargain with some felony charge, would you stop being friends with him?

Did you know that possession of child pornography is a felony offense? Did you also know that legally speaking even a picture of your own baby in a bathtub is considered pornography?

Seriously, unless you know what the felony is for you should hold back judgement.

No, I won't hold back judgement. I said simply I will not allow them in my house. I never said I'd stop being friends with them. I have friends who have felony convictions, although I don't see them much, I've made it clear that I have guns, and wish to keep them, so they can't come near them or my house. You go straight to child pornography? WTF ? There are lots of other felony convictions you could use as an example.... Hell, when people come by my house that I don't know I usually ask them (or the person who brought them) if they are felons. If yes, then no.

[Nose Nuggets]

the attitude towards felons is simply absurd in this thread.

"There is no reason to have a felon in or around your house."

whiskey tango foxtrot, do you know what classifies as a felony these days?

[bigcalidave]

As a gun owner, who wants to keep their guns, there is no reason to have a felon in your house with your guns...
Simply, the felon has already given up their rights, and their presence in your house forces you to give up some of yours. Since it's not worth the hassle or the time in court, it's better to just not have them around. Maybe you don't mind, so go ahead. I will stick to my preference on this issue.

[Nose Nuggets]

its not worth the hassle of putting your guns in your safe so a friend can come over?

[Jamez]

SITUATION:
Buddy of mine lives with his sister. Her boyfriend is a felon. He (my buddy) wants to buy guns but since the boyfriend is a felon he"s a bit hesitant.
Where does it say that as long as it's locked up and not accessable, he's fine. I THINK I saw something that sounded like my answer in DOJ summerized points but I'm looking for the PC so I can read the whole thing if it even exists.

I understand it would be eaiser for him to leave, kick out the bf, ect but that's not the case.
Thanks.

[bigcalidave]

its not worth the hassle of putting your guns in your safe so a friend can come over?

Guns are in a safe. It's my personal preference that I don't want the risk of a felon being in my house, a cop seeing their car, running the plates, seeing that a felon is there after receiving a report of suspicious activity, and tearing the place apart. Rights get violated all the time. If I want to hang out with one of those friends, I'll meet them somewhere. No big deal, they always understand since it's really their life that gets ruined again.

[fd15k]

Do you ask your plumber for clearance ? How about your gardener ?

Guns are in a safe. It's my personal preference that I don't want the risk of a felon being in my house, a cop seeing their car, running the plates, seeing that a felon is there after receiving a report of suspicious activity, and tearing the place apart. Rights get violated all the time. If I want to hang out with one of those friends, I'll meet them somewhere. No big deal, they always understand since it's really their life that gets ruined again.

[stuckinhippytown]

Plain and simple...... If he does not have access or permission the area where the firearms are you can have them Parole agent can not search an area that he does not have access to get a lock on your door and call it a day .. PICK BETTER FRIENDS

[megavolt121]

No, I won't hold back judgement. I said simply I will not allow them in my house. I never said I'd stop being friends with them. I have friends who have felony convictions, although I don't see them much, I've made it clear that I have guns, and wish to keep them, so they can't come near them or my house. You go straight to child pornography? WTF ? There are lots of other felony convictions you could use as an example.... Hell, when people come by my house that I don't know I usually ask them (or the person who brought them) if they are felons. If yes, then no.

Your posts made it seem as if you were judging a person for being a felon and implied that anyone that is a felon automatically is labeled a bad person you must break all contact with.

Yes I went straight to child pornography as an example to show how a felony charge does not necessarily mean the person is a bad person. Doing something as innocent as taking a picture of your child in a bathtub is legally speaking a felony offense and my point was you shouldn't judge someone just because of a felony charge without knowing the circumstances.

[SkyStorm82]

Doing something as innocent as taking a picture of your child in a bathtub is legally speaking a felony offense and my point was you shouldn't judge someone just because of a felony charge without knowing the circumstances.

The picture would have to be "lewd" before you start hitting the realm of kiddy porn.

A naked picture of your kid in the bath in a photo album full of other pictures of the family is reasonable.

[El Gato]

As a Probation Officer this is what I would like to find when I went to the house...
If you were there, you would tell me that "dude" doesn't have access to your room...and the guns are locked into a safe dude doesn't have the combo for...

or

When you aren't home... the room with the safe has a deadbolt on it and dude doesn't have access to the key... it isn't left at the house...

This whole scenario is more common than you might think..

[paul0660]

It is incumbant on the felon to avoid firearms, not for a gun owner to know the backround of everyone he knows or is around him..........If in fact the OP is worried, call the PO and find out what he thinks WITH PC CODES if the PO thinks the OP has a problem.

As for felons..........I believe in second chances, and that most people walking around don't need one because of luck, not solid gold behavior.

[Some Guy]

Plain and simple...... If he does not have access or permission the area where the firearms are you can have them Parole agent can not search an area that he does not have access to get a lock on your door and call it a day .. PICK BETTER FRIENDS
+1
If your door is locked and the felon doesnt have access, they need a warrant.

[Greg-Dawg®]

2. PERSONS INELIGIBLE TO POSSESS FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
Persons Convicted of Felonies or Other Specified Crimes
Any person who (a) has been convicted of a felony under the laws of the United States, the State of California, or any other state, government, or country, or (b) is addicted to any narcotic drug may not own or have in his or her possession, custody, or control any firearm. (Penal Code § 12021(a).)

It is unlawful for any person who is prohibited from possessing firearms, to possess ammunition.
(Penal Code § 12316(b).)

A felony conviction refers to a conviction of an offense that can only result in felony punishment under California law, or any sentence to a federal correctional facility for more than 30 days, or a fine of more than $1,000, or both. (Penal Code § 12021(f).)
Any person convicted of any of the following crimes specified in Penal...

Bottomline: No go for the felon.

[bigcalidave]

No judging. Don't care who you are. If I find out you are a felon I feel no need to have you in my house. My choice.

[stuckinhippytown]

No judging. Don't care who you are. If I find out you are a felon I feel no need to have you in my house. My choice.

Second that !! I work hard knowing my laws and knowing the difference between right and wrong SHAME on you if you cant understand the difference

[stuckinhippytown]

2. PERSONS INELIGIBLE TO POSSESS FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
Persons Convicted of Felonies or Other Specified Crimes
Any person who (a) has been convicted of a felony under the laws of the United States, the State of California, or any other state, government, or country, or (b) is addicted to any narcotic drug may not own or have in his or her possession, custody, or control any firearm. (Penal Code § 12021(a).)

It is unlawful for any person who is prohibited from possessing firearms, to possess ammunition.
(Penal Code § 12316(b).)

A felony conviction refers to a conviction of an offense that can only result in felony punishment under California law, or any sentence to a federal correctional facility for more than 30 days, or a fine of more than $1,000, or both. (Penal Code § 12021(f).)
Any person convicted of any of the following crimes specified in Penal...



(b) is addicted to any narcotic drug may not own or have in his or her possession
This was actually ruled un constitutional by case law im not exactly sure which case but as i find it i will post it. For this to apply you actually have to be convicted of either possession or under the influence the mere addiction is not illegal unfortunately

[pnkssbtz]

Didn't someone on this very board who properly stored their firearms have their safe pried open and fireams taken due to a similar circumstance?


REGARDLESS OF THE LETTER OF THE LAW, WHEN THE COPS COME A KNOCKING, THEY ARE GOING TO POP THAT SAFE AND TAKE EVERYTHING. THEY ARE GOING TO LET YOU AND THE DA SORT IT OUT IN THE COURTS. THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE OR HELD REALISTICALLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR LACK OF DISCRETION AND VIOLATION OF THE LAW.

[MP301]

Put the safe in an area that isn't considered "communal property". I.e. your room, with a locked door. Also, do not give him the safe combo.

Should be good. If there's any questions, just ask his parole/probation agent and show the conditions you've set to protect both yourself (main priority) and friend.

Its not even necessary to move the safe...just make sure guns are locked up and your friend has no access. Its also a great idea to speak with your friend's Parole/Probation officer because he/she is the one that will show up un announced one day to check things out...make nice to them but dont let them tell you that the guns gotta go....

I had a friend that had lots of guns and his son was a Felon just out of jail and they came out and checked things out and all was well. I have even lived with a prohibited person (Misd. DV) and the two Probation officers didnt even ask, but definately knew there were guns (more then a couple!) in the house...

[ViPER395]

As many have read recently.... You can be a felon simply by someone throwing a bag of firecrackers under your vehicle.

[bodger]

Didn't someone on this very board who properly stored their firearms have their safe pried open and fireams taken due to a similar circumstance?


REGARDLESS OF THE LETTER OF THE LAW, WHEN THE COPS COME A KNOCKING, THEY ARE GOING TO POP THAT SAFE AND TAKE EVERYTHING. THEY ARE GOING TO LET YOU AND THE DA SORT IT OUT IN THE COURTS. THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE OR HELD REALISTICALLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR LACK OF DISCRETION AND VIOLATION OF THE LAW.

Exactly.
You live with a felon, you have guns, you and your guns are at risk.

Also, what if you live with a felon who gains access to your guns and commits a crime with them. Could you be liable in a civil action for keeping guns in a house with a known felon? Regardless of how they were "secured"?

Deadbolt on an interior door. Lousy protection, one kick and he's armed.

[cedew]

Man that sucks, but it's all true, you could lose all your stuff.

I had this friend in high school, he was the hippie sort, and loooved to take acid. Some guy online talked him into sending him some acid through the mail. He was 18, and the other fellow was an undercover cop. He got 11 years in a Federal Prison, was out in 7. He was in with people convicted of 2nd degree murder who got half the sentence he did. Nicest guy too, just a hippie who made a stupid mistake. I mention that because there are many scenarios where you can make a felon out of a pretty ordinary person.

[cousinkix1953]

So let's say your best friend gets popped by a stupid DA for a legal OLL but your friend ignores all your advice and takes a plea bargain with some felony charge, would you stop being friends with him?

Did you know that possession of child pornography is a felony offense? Did you also know that legally speaking even a picture of your own baby in a bathtub is considered pornography?

Seriously, unless you know what the felony is for you should hold back judgement.
You're right. The world is being taken over by digital cameras; but some people still take their rolls of film to the drugstore to be developed the old fashioned way. They are sometimes prosecuted for posessing naked baby pictures of their own kids. A conservative Christian DA is more likely to file felony kiddie porn charges too. No more guns. No more living with people who have firearms either.

I asked one of my nieces to stay away from my house about 8 years ago. She was dating a ex-convict with a drug habit and a racist attitude. Fortunately that a-hole ex-boyfriend is long gone now...

[megavolt121]

A conservative Christian DA is more likely to file felony kiddie porn charges too. No more guns. No more living with people who have firearms either.


This is exactly my point (minus the Christian part). I have dealt directly with an overzealous DA in my past. I was the witness to a breaking and entering in which a bum stole about $2.50 in laundry money from a friend's apt. The DA decided that this should not only be charged as a felony, but as the guy's 3rd strike. It makes me wonder what strike #1 and 2 were also. Yes he broke a crime, but should he have gone to prison for 20+ years over a $2.50???

Unfortunately, in today's society, things are so jacked up that what we did as kids (I'm only 25) can easily be considered a felony now. Look at kids being expelled from school for bringing a plastic army man to school because Mr. Army Man held an M16... How many of you guys brought your GI-Joe's to school?

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[Fjold]

This is exactly my point (minus the Christian part). I have dealt directly with an overzealous DA in my past. I was the witness to a breaking and entering in which a bum stole about $2.50 in laundry money from a friend's apt. The DA decided that this should not only be charged as a felony, but as the guy's 3rd strike. It makes me wonder what strike #1 and 2 were also. Yes he broke a crime, but should he have gone to prison for 20+ years over a $2.50???

Unfortunately, in today's society, things are so jacked up that what we did as kids (I'm only 25) can easily be considered a felony now. Look at kids being expelled from school for bringing a plastic army man to school because Mr. Army Man held an M16... How many of you guys brought your GI-Joe's to school?

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The bum broke in with the intention of stealing everything of value that he could haul out of there. The fact that he only found $2.50 is immaterial to the act. Would you feel differently if he stole two handguns and $10,000?

If it was there, he would have done it.

[Decoligny]

So let's say your best friend gets popped by a stupid DA for a legal OLL but your friend ignores all your advice and takes a plea bargain with some felony charge, would you stop being friends with him?

Did you know that possession of child pornography is a felony offense? Did you also know that legally speaking even a picture of your own baby in a bathtub is considered pornography?
Seriously, unless you know what the felony is for you should hold back judgement.

:fud:

Care to provide a citation for that FUD?

Here is the definition of Child pornography from US Code TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 110, § 2256:

(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

The definition for Child Pornography in the CA Penal Code can be found in sections 311.2, 311.3, and 311.4.

They are rather explicit and graphic in detail, so I didn't post the qoute, but thy can be found here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=15600322695+2+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

[cousinkix1953]

This is exactly my point (minus the Christian part). I have dealt directly with an overzealous DA in my past. I was the witness to a breaking and entering in which a bum stole about $2.50 in laundry money from a friend's apt. The DA decided that this should not only be charged as a felony, but as the guy's 3rd strike. It makes me wonder what strike #1 and 2 were also. Yes he broke a crime, but should he have gone to prison for 20+ years over a $2.50???
A convicted felon bought a used TV several years ago at a garage sale in Santa Cruz. It could have been his third strike and the DA thought about it too. How in the hell do you stop these kind of mistakes? Ban garage sales, flea markets and classified advertisements; which offer used items for sale? I don't think so.

Unfortunately, in today's society, things are so jacked up that what we did as kids (I'm only 25) can easily be considered a felony now. Look at kids being expelled from school for bringing a plastic army man to school because Mr. Army Man held an M16... How many of you guys brought your GI-Joe's to school?
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We did more than that in the 60s. I couldn't fathom the idea of being suspended for drawing pictures of guns in a notebook. They are insane now. A co-ed got expelled from a public university in so-called conservative pro-gun Louisiana. Her crime was being a card carrying member of Students for Concealed Carry. Totalitarian political correctness has run amok. It's no longer confined to some Marxist university towns...

[bodger]

A convicted felon bought a used TV several years ago at a garage sale in Santa Cruz. It could have been his third strike and the DA thought about it too. How in the hell do you stop these kind of mistakes? Ban garage sales, flea markets and classified advertisements; which offer used items for sale? I don't think so.


We did more than that in the 60s. I couldn't fathom the idea of being suspended for drawing pictures of guns in a notebook. They are insane now. A co-ed got expelled from a public university in so-called conservative pro-gun Louisiana. Her crime was being a card carrying member of Students for Concealed Carry. Totalitarian political correctness has run amok. It's no longer confined to some Marxist university towns...

You lost me. Did you mean he bought a used TV and it turned out to be stolen or something?

[Beelzy]

Well, what if its your kid?? Would all of you Felon Haters still think that??

I read somehwere that Probation can check the "abode" of said felon and
that's what I am running with. Abode dude!

[cousinkix1953]

You lost me. Did you mean he bought a used TV and it turned out to be stolen or something?
EXACTLY right! We don't have any way of knowing that we just bought a stolen used TV at a garage sale. You're busted! I'll be the San Jose police will be happy when the flea market shuts down next year. I've actually seen people get arrested for selling stolen merchandise there. It used to be a good place for guns to. That's where I got a pair of type 99 Arisaka rifles for about $20 - $25 each in the 80s...

[bigcalidave]

EXACTLY right! We don't have any way of knowing that we just bought a stolen used TV at a garage sale. You're busted! I'll be the San Jose police will be happy when the flea market shuts down next year. I've actually seen people get arrested for selling stolen merchandise there. It used to be a good place for guns to. That's where I got a pair of type 99 Arisaka rifles for about $20 - $25 each in the 80s...


Huh? The police arresting someone for selling stolen merchandise at a flea market is a good thing, gives them less reason to steal it from you.

The police arresting someone for buying a stolen tv at a flea market, with no possible knowledge? I've yet to hear that one.

[cousinkix1953]

Huh? The police arresting someone for selling stolen merchandise at a flea market is a good thing, gives them less reason to steal it from you.

The police arresting someone for buying a stolen tv at a flea market, with no possible knowledge? I've yet to hear that one.
Nothing usually happens unless the buyer is a convicted felon. Posession of stolen property is a parole violation. The rest of us might lose that stolen TV or what money we have spent on it. Not fun, but it beats jail...

[cousinkix1953]

Huh? The police arresting someone for selling stolen merchandise at a flea market is a good thing, gives them less reason to steal it from you.

The police arresting someone for buying a stolen tv at a flea market, with no possible knowledge? I've yet to hear that one.
Did I say that the SJPD shouldn't arrest the thieves who sell stolen merchandise at the flea market? Hell no! Posession of stolen property is a parole violation. Nothing usually happens unless the buyer is a convicted felon. The rest of us might lose that stolen TV or what money we have spent on it. Not fun, but it beats jail...

[Ladyfox]

No judging. Don't care who you are. If I find out you are a felon I feel no need to have you in my house. My choice.

So, what happens if said felon is your spouse? Are you going to divorce your wife, kick her out of the house, and remove the kids from her?

Oh, hey, better yet what if it was your father or mother that happened to have a felony conviction against them? You going to separate your children from your parents and just flat out refuse to have anything to do with them?

As others have mentioned already there are felony convictions that can stem from something as simple as illegal fireworks and while I may not know exactly what the charge was to the OP it sure sounds like a minor one. Everyone makes mistakes and the legal system is there to met out punishment whenever such things come up but to lump a person who lit up fireworks in a city to a hard-core felon is really not a fair comparison and it goes WAY overboard.

The problem with absolutes is that they can turn around and bite you in the butt. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion on this but your suggestion is serious overkill and could cause even more problems than what it solves to begin with.

I mean I've heard some cold-hearted things before in my life but this really tops the list right now.

[El Gato]

+1
If your door is locked and the felon doesnt have access, they need a warrant.

Nope... not for a parolee or a felony probationer with search terms...if the "felon" has custody of the house... the doors mine...if I have any reasonable suspicion he might be hiding something in there and especially if he "rents" at the house....doesn't mean I'm gonna kick the door.. and I might get the landlord to open it.. but if I don't know ahead of time that the room if off limits and "dude" is high or otherwise in violation of the terms and conditions and/or I found say... a stolen tv set in the house... I'm kickin the door... been there done that... my dept. wants me to articulate reasonable suspicion and usually run it by the supervisor... but that is why we have "hoolies" and rams in the trunk.... NEVER LIVE WITH A FELON IF YOU WANT YOUR PRIVACY... I should say parolee or probationer....someone on active supervision.

[cousinkix1953]

So, what happens if said felon is your spouse? Are you going to divorce your wife, kick her out of the house, and remove the kids from her?
Better find another place to keep your guns in that case.

Oh, hey, better yet what if it was your father or mother that happened to have a felony conviction against them? You going to separate your children from your parents and just flat out refuse to have anything to do with them?
That's why I told one of my nieces to not bring her convicted felon boyfriend around my house. Nothing prevented me from meeting her at another house or place, where I have no guns.

As others have mentioned already there are felony convictions that can stem from something as simple as illegal fireworks and while I may not know exactly what the charge was to the OP it sure sounds like a minor one. Everyone makes mistakes and the legal system is there to met out punishment whenever such things come up but to lump a person who lit up fireworks in a city to a hard-core felon is really not a fair comparison and it goes WAY overboard.
Why don't you take up this argument with one of those brainless silly councils? The penalties are the same; whether you get written up for sparklers, firecrackers, bottlerockets and sometimes even commercial grade fireworks that require a FFL. It's all the same to those moron politicians. They remind me of the Sgt. Joe Friday type of LEOs; who try to compare marijuana with LSD, cocaine, meth and heroin. Only an idiots believes this crap. Both scenarios are examples of "one size fits all run amok.

The problem with absolutes is that they can turn around and bite you in the butt. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion on this but your suggestion is serious overkill and could cause even more problems than what it solves to begin with.
That's why anti-gun school administrators will suspend or expel your little brat for even drawing a cartoon picture of a firearm on a piece of paper.

I mean I've heard some cold-hearted things before in my life but this really tops the list right now.