Where can I fill out the paperwork?

[ricknadine1111]

Say I wan't to purchase a pistol from northern california and I live in southern california, can't the owner of the pistol take the pistol to his gun shop and fill out the paperwork and then I go to a gun shop down here and fill out the paperwork and they send the paperwork to his gunshop and in 10 days I go up show my ca license and pick up the pistol?

[Dr Rockso]

Nope, don't think so. He ships it to your FFL, then you DROS.

[Hunter]

Your approach will not work as it is you who needs to have the DROS run, not the seller. But you still can do the PPT if the gun is shipped down to your local FFL for completion (especially if it is an off roster handgun...which cannot go thru a dealer transfer). In short, the seller would deliver the gun to the local FFL who would start the transaction paperwork and then transfer those forms with the gun to your FFL for completion. Very similiar to a gunshow type transaction approach.

Do a search on this, as the topic has come up a lot and there is lots of discussion on it.

[Wizard99]

Whats the typical fee charged on a transaction like this?

[USN CHIEF]

Whats the typical fee charged on a transaction like this?

Anywere from 50 bucks for FFL fees plus 35 bucks for DROS...

[aplinker]

Anywere from 50 bucks for FFL fees plus 35 bucks for DROS...

DROS is $25. The $35 quoted for PPT is the DROS @ 25 + $10 for the FFL.

Still, the rest is correct. ;)

[slick_711]

Your approach will not work as it is you who needs to have the DROS run, not the seller. But you still can do the PPT if the gun is shipped down to your local FFL for completion (especially if it is an off roster handgun...which cannot go thru a dealer transfer).

This is incorrect. For a PPT to take place, BOTH parties must be PRESENT at the same shop at the time the paperwork is initiated.

You can either meet the seller at a gunshop somewhere between the two of you and do a PPT (long commute for one or both of you). Or, if the pistol is ON the roster, you may have him ship it to your local FFL and you do the paperwork and pick it up there.

[saigon1965]

You're gonna get rid of the Socom?

[bwiese]

This is incorrect. For a PPT to take place, BOTH parties must be PRESENT at the same shop at the time the paperwork is initiated.

No, a 'long distance PPT' for non-Rostered nonexempt handguns can be run as a 'gunshow transaction' where gun + copy of seller ID/paperwork is shipped to the recipient/buyer's FFL.

Do a search from Calgunner FFL mscales5 (mscale5) post about a year or so ago. He was told how to do this under DOJ instruction.

Most FFLs get confused by this and/or don't wanna do a transaction like this for the pittance fee they get. If folks wanna do this they should tip out their FFLs on both sides well.

[Hunter]

This is incorrect. For a PPT to take place, BOTH parties must be PRESENT at the same shop at the time the paperwork is initiated......

No Sir, you are the one that is wrong here for the reasons already stated in this thread.

.....Most FFLs get confused by this and/or don't wanna do a transaction like this for the pittance fee they get. If folks wanna do this they should tip out their FFLs on both sides well.

I agree here and most FFLs will want something to do the extra leg work this requires. Otherwords, don't think you can do this and get by with only paying $35 as I believe most FFLs will say "no thanks".

To reinforce what has been said already, the main benefit is indeed the ability to buy non-rostered handguns when one is not able to do it FTF. For any handgun on the aproved list, it is much simplier to just do a normal FFL transfer and pay your FFL his normal fees for such a transaction. In some cases it costs less than this approach. Especially when you factor in the shipping FFL's fees plus the receiving FFL's fees to do the "long distance" PPT.

[williamd]

Have done several PPTs w/o both parties! At gun shops.

Ask about fees. Some shops are over $100 now ... Turner's $125.00!!

[slick_711]

I do certainly apologize for being incorrect. This is however something that I have never seen nor heard of and have never been asked to do. Furthermore it sounds iffy, despite coming from you Bill. I'll take it as legal and truthful because of the source but if someone came into the shop and asked me to do a one party PPT w/ a gun we received from a different FFL I'd give him a firm no without some sort of DOJ proof it was legal. Especially considering the fact that the shop would be losing money on the transfer. The DOJ allowed $10 doesn't even cover my wages for the time consumed by the transfer. :p

[knuckled]

Anyone who has done a long distance gunshow transfer willing to let us know which FFL holder they used to do this? It may help keep more off-roster handguns in CA (from gunbroker etc). A list of such FFLs for North, Central, and South CA would be a good resource. Though everybody would probably need to check the private firearms forum twice as often to be quick enough to get the ones they want with 'more buyers' :kest:

[Hunter]

I do certainly apologize for being incorrect. This is however something that I have never seen nor heard of and have never been asked to do. Furthermore it sounds iffy,.....

No problem as we are all here to learn. Here is one of the original posts done by mscales5 (who is also a FFL dealer) talking about the procedure to follow (please note the last line on DOJ approval):

This is not totally true. PPTs are only between CA residents with valid CA IDs or CDLs. It is possible to do a IN STATE transfer if a few things are followed. First, a hand gun that is down in San Diego can be taken to a FFL dealer and a DROS ( a form can be printed off the DOJ site) can be filled out by the dealer who will verify the seller through his accepted form of ID. Second, the dealer must have the seller sign and date the DROS and take his thumb print as well as a copy of his CA ID and SWIPE and print the info on the CA ID. Third, this DROS form and the hand gun can then be shipped to the buyers FFL dealer and the transfer can begin. This is basically the same way a transfer can happen at a gun show if a computer is not used at the show.

I received this information straight from the DOJ.